then CoMo would have gotten the Peyton Manning deal done....something KC wasn't able to do because of the "Patriot Way"

a LB almost winning the Heisman trophy is drama? Teo is the best player in this years draft.

No, he's not.


If I were building a college team? Yeah, I'd take him in a second. You can still win in cfb with Marty Ball.

But the NFl doesn't value that near as high.

Lemme ask this:

Is Manti as good as Aaron Curry? Curry was absolutely a better prospect, IMO.

Curry went 4th overall and has flamed out on 2 teams already.

Is that really what everybody wants?

Gino Torreta won the Heisman. We should get him.

Teo is a great leader, with so so measurables.

don't know what this means.

Meaning that just because he was considered for the Heisman, doesn't really mean anything in terms of NFL success.

The Heisman is the college equivalent of the Pro Bowl.

Brad Banks from Iowa was a Heisman runner-up for Christ's sake. He never played a down in the NFL.

Exactly, he's not Aaron Curry and Aaron Curry was a BUST.

Why would anybody want ANY ILB with the #1 pick? It's just completely insane.

Must be an incredibly shitty draft.

You mean we shouldn't draft a non skill player and an ILB to boot with the very first pick in the draft? :drool:

Remember Oklahoma Sooner QB Jason White that won the Heisman award? Didn't even get drafted, but I think a lot of that was he had bad knees iirc?

You'e getting caught up in pre-draft hype. It happens every year. Stop listening to talking heads.

And winning the Heisman means nothing. I'm honestly shocked you brought it up.

Oh man, you just sparked my memory.

Manti could be the next BRIAN BOSWORTH!

It means that Heisman winners don't do dick in the NFL, and rarely have anything to do with Skill.

When a player wins the Heisman, i usually HOPE we don't draft them, because more often than not, they flame out in the NFL.

Heisman means dick.

Oh man that was awesome when Bo Jackson ran over him into the dirt for a TD. The Bozz was never the same again. I hated the raiders but loved Bo Jackson.

Heh.

Better list then I thought. Although none of them are MLB's.

1980 Rogers, GeorgeGeorge Rogers* South Carolina Running back 1,128 35.81%
1981 Allen, MarcusMarcus Allen^ USC Running back 1,797 57.05%
1982 Walker, HerschelHerschel Walker Georgia Running back 1,926 61.14%
1983 Rozier, MikeMike Rozier Nebraska Running back 1,801 57.17%
1984 Flutie, DougDoug Flutie Boston College Quarterback 2,240 71.11%
1985 Jackson, BoBo Jackson* Auburn Running back 1,509 47.90%
1986 Testaverde, VinnyVinny Testaverde* Miami Quarterback 2,213 70.25%
1987 Brown, TimTim Brown Notre Dame Wide receiver 1,442 45.78%
1988 Sanders, BarryBarry Sanders^ Oklahoma State Running back 1,878 68.27%
1989 Ware, AndreAndre Ware Houston Quarterback 1,073 38.96%
1990 Detmer, TyTy Detmer BYU Quarterback 1,482 53.87%
1991 Howard, DesmondDesmond Howard Michigan Wide receiver 2,077 75.50%
1992 Torretta, GinoGino Torretta Miami Quarterback 1,400 50.84%
1993 Ward, CharlieCharlie Ward Florida State Quarterback 1,743 83.79%
1994 Salaam, RashaanRashaan Salaam Colorado Running back 1,743 63.15%
1995 George, EddieEddie George Ohio State Running back 1,460 52.84%
1996 Wuerffel, DannyDanny Wuerffel Florida Quarterback 1,363 49.38%
1997 Woodson, CharlesCharles Woodson Michigan Cornerback/Punt returner 1,815 65.69%
1998 Williams, RickyRicky Williams Texas Running back 2,355 85.23%
1999 Dayne, RonRon Dayne Wisconsin Running back 2,042 73.83%
2000 Weinke, ChrisChris Weinke Florida State Quarterback 1,628 58.86%
2001 Crouch, EricEric Crouch Nebraska Quarterback 770 27.75%
2002 Palmer, CarsonCarson Palmer* USC Quarterback 1,328 48.01%
2003 White, JasonJason White Oklahoma Quarterback 1,481 53.54%
2004 Leinart, MattMatt Leinart USC Quarterback 1,325 47.85%
2005 Bush, ReggieReggie Bush
(vacated)[n 1] USC Running back 2,541 91.77%
2006 Smith, TroyTroy Smith Ohio State Quarterback 2,540 91.63%
2007 Tebow, TimTim Tebow Florida Quarterback 1,957 70.52%
2008 Bradford, SamSam Bradford* Oklahoma Quarterback 1,726 62.13%
2009 Ingram, Jr., MarkMark Ingram, Jr. Alabama Running back 1,304 46.99%
2010 Newton, CamCam Newton* Auburn Quarterback 2,263 81.55%
2011 Griffin III, RobertRobert Griffin III Baylor Quarterback 1,687 60.66%
2012 Manziel, JohnnyJohnny Manziel Texas A&M Quarterback 2,029 72.88%

No.

Como's posts read like he's been watching tapes of Kiper Clockwork Orange style.

WHO THE HELL IS MEL KIPER?!?!?

Who said he was talking about MEL Kiper?

You don't take an ILB in the 3-4 #1 overall. This draft has much better players available.

Who do you want bubb?

Trade down. I would like to trade down and take Aaron Murray.

3 year starter that has played well against elite competition in a pro style offense that throws the ball down the field. Best mobility of top QBs. Great arm. Most pro ready QB in the draft. Not as tall as you like, but is a playmaker.

If we could trade down, similar to the trade up for Julio Jones, that would be ideal to me.

NO NO NO!!!! MUST TAKE GENO AT #1 !!!! /CP

You think someone is gonna trade up Julio Jones style, for someone who doesn't project to be an elite dline pass rusher, or a guy with a serious medical issue?

I agree. The Planet is overreacting to this franchise futility in the draft over the last 20+ years. We have the #1 pick and it sucks for us that there isn't a QB available worth the pick. That doesn't mean that we should reach with the pick. And waste any possible picks that we could attain with a trade.

So is Andrew Luck the only QB "worth" a 1st overall pick?


Cause if we are holding all Qb's up to that standard, we have to hold other positional players up to greatest of all time draft picks.


Is Jarvis Jones, Lawrence Taylor type player? Is Star a Warren Sapp type player?

I have posted about 10 trades that have occurred in the last two years in the first round. Wait and see how everything shakes out after the combine.

Are you predicting that there won't be any trade in the top ten?

Top 10? Probably so.


Number 1 overall? Nope. The Chiefs would likely ask for an RGIII type haul, or they can just sit where they are and take the player they want.

Jarvis Jones is a legit pass rusher. He is a Von Miller type of player if he passes his medical.

Really? Are you serious? Really?


The guy who was swallowed against the run in the SEC championship game?


Even that doesn't matter, as IIRC, He has spinal stenosis.

He has to be better than Miller. He has to be a once in a generational type pass rusher.


Lawrence Taylor type guy. Same as the QB has to be LUck.

Here's a post I made in another thread.

One thing that needs to be cleared up that #1 picks are more valuable under the new CBA than under the old one. You don't want to waste them.

The reasoning that says "well, we don't have to spend as much money on this #1 pick, so lets just pick a QB and roll the dice." That is bogus. The #1 pick is worth more in compensation through trades with the new CBA. You forfeit more potential players via trade now than ever before if you are not willing to trade down.

Look at the following non QB trades:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/sto.../trade-tracker

Cleveland Browns: Acquire pick No. 3 in 2012 Trent Richardson
Minnesota Vikings: Acquire picks No. 4, No. 118, No. 139 and No. 211 Matt Kalil

Jacksonville Jaguars: Acquire pick No. 5 in 2012 Justin Blackmon
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Acquire picks No. 7 and No. 101 Mark Barron

Dallas Cowboys: Acquire pick No. 6 in 2012 Morris Claiborne
St. Louis Rams: Acquire picks No. 14 and No. 45 Michael Brockers

Philadelphia Eagles: Acquire pick No. 12 in 2012 Fletcher Cox
Seattle Seahawks: Acquire picks No. 15, No. 114 and No. 172 Bruce Irvin

New England Patriots: Acquire pick No. 21 in 2012 Chandler Jones
Cincinnati Bengals: Acquire picks No. 27 and No. 93 Kevin Zeitler

NewEngland Patriots: Acquire pick No. 25 in 2012 Donta Hightower
Denver Broncos: Acquire picks No. 31 and No. 126 Doug Martin

Minnesota Vikings: Acquire pick No. 29 in 2012 Harrison Smith
Baltimore Ravens: Acquire picks No. 35 and No. 98 Courtney Upshaw

Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Acquire picks No. 31 and No. 126 Doug Martin
Denver Broncos: Acquire picks No. 36 and No. 101 Derek Wolfe

3 of those trades were top 10 trades, and how did they work out?

Didn't they say the same thing about Von Miller?

That he has a severe medical issue? No.


Swallowed against the run? Yeah, at times. Not nearly as much as Jarvis.

Potentially great for the Vikes and Rams. Vikes got Kalil. And Rams got Brockers and with the trade took Janorris Jenkins in the 2nd round b/c of the extra picks that were available with trade.

Have to wait and see how they all pan out.

What is the common theme that all those teams who made the trades to go down ALREADY had?

Sure as hell wasn't a gapping ****ing hole at Quarterback.

What about the 49ers, Browns, Seahawks, and Bengals?
49ers took their QB in the 2nd round
Browns took Weeden after taking Richardson
Seahawks took Wilson in the 3rd
Bengals took Dalton after taking Green with the 33rd pick

3 of those 4 teams are in the playoffs. Just b/c you need a QB doesn't mean that you have to get screwed on value.

The Chiefs could trade down or they could trade up back inot the first from their 2nd. The Chiefs have a lot of options. They could sit pat and take Bray with their 2nd round pick. They don't have to get screwed on value.

You should probably wait and see if they can actually WIN in the playoffs before you cite them as examples.

Funny that the Vikings and Rams BOTH have first round QBs, isn't it?

So you think the draft will go like this.

1. Chiefs (2-14) Geno Smith

2. Jaguars (2-14) Tyler Wilson

3. Raiders (4-12) Matt Barkley

4. Eagles (4-12) Mike Glennon

5. Lions (4-12) Jarvis Jones

6. Browns (5-11) Star L.

7. Cardinals (5-11) Aaron Murray

8. Bills (6-10) Tyler Bray

9. Jets (6-10) Ryan Nassib

10. Titans (6-10) Luke Joeckel

7 out of the top ten picks would have to be QBs if you are the GM

That type of logic is ridiculious. You don't just take a QB because you need one. You have to consider value and what type of player is available.

I wish we had a real franchise QB available with the top pick. But we don't. That doesn't mean we have to take one. We have other options to fill the QB position.

Looks like about an 80% success rate in the NFL

Doesn't he have a spinal problem?
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So unless a Luck type prospect is available, you don't draft one?

Where the **** are these people coming from?


Mother ****ing Christ! Let's just do the norm that has netted us 100% failure in everything.

If Pioli would have just kept Orton we probably wouldn't be here right now.

I agree with being able to take a QB in the 2nd round. Especially this year. I don't think value is all that important. I say there's no such thing as a reach. Either the guy plays for your team for 10 years or he doesn't. No one will care what spot he was picked.

If you redrafted every draft, what positions do you think would go early with hindsight?

Guys picked higher have a higher probability of being "the" guy.

Yeah, we'd be 8-8 and stuck in hell. No thanks.

What is this 'logic' you speak of? This makes too much sense for this board. You take the predetermined preseason best QB no matter what!

bubb, go back and redraft the last 5 drafts.

I agree with that. Even if it's just a perceived value. Guys that are drafted higher than they should get plenty of chances.

Exactly zero people have said that.

I believe in taking QBs first overall. Geno is just not good enough to make that a smart choice.

Do you believe that 7 QBs should go in the top ten? Since 7 of the top ten teams need replacements at QB.

Teo is shitting himself against NFL-caliber talent. You know how to pick them Como.

ROFL Teo

BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA :LOL:

If the Chiefs drafted Te'o they'd have one of the WORST LB units in the NFL. He'd be a giant gaping ****ing hole that teams would run through on every down.

Oof. Tough luck for the Wilson fans. CoMo just endorsed your boy. LMAO

Somewhere in Columbia Mel Kiper and Como spoon together whilst sobbing in the fetal position.

Missed tackles? Check
Shitty zone coverage? Check
The eyes of a leader? Whatever the **** that means. Check
Plays a position less important than QB? Check

WHERE DO I SIGN UP?

Heh...

This :doh!:

Should have kept this shit in DraftPlanet and hardly anyone would notice...