I don't blame the 49er offense for the SB loss any more than I blame Drew Brees for the '11 playoff loss, or the Chiefs D for the losses in '95 and '97.

Except under the most exceptional of circumstances, if the other unit fails to score more than once or twice or gives up a ton of points, it's their fault.

Chase Daniel is the winner, if he plays well. Alex misses games.

Maybe Prince will write a special song for him thats just as bad as the last song he wrote for the vikings.

At least we got rid of *****, Cassel and Cronell. The super secret culture, we are smarter than everyone else mentality. We will not go 2-14 next year. For those reasons alone, the 2-14 wasn't wasted.

I don't blame their offense for the loss, I blame their offensive coordinator for the loss. I still cannot understand why they didn't spread out their offense.

And Crabtree was most definitely interfered with. That was ridiculous.

Their OC still called plays that got them 31. What about the DC whose plays resulted in absolutely no pressure on Flacco despite a phenomenal pass rush?

I suppose that is a good positive out of this offseason.

It just sucks knowing that if I tore down a building, I would start with some fresh lumber instead of going down the street to a garage sale and buying their old used up lumber.

Some people build skyscrapers, others build machine sheds.

OH MY GOODNESS WTF! Here's a bright idea... why not draft someone that may develop into a QB that CAN DO THESE THINGS?

The 49ers had four chances within their own 10 yard line to score and win the game. They came out with the same formation each time. It was uncreative as uncreative gets. They should have at least tried to spread out their defense in order for Kaep to use his legs and score, but they didn't even try.

I agree, their defense wasn't up to par, especially in the first half. It was like Jim Harbaugh and his entire staff was suffering from brain cramps.

That unintentional blackout changed the game.

The Chiefs are building an outhouse.

Back to mediocrity, I agree much more fun than 2-14

So we are excited about one drive?
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As long as the CHunts are in charge, we'll never rebuild into a SB caliber team. Considering this team won't win a SB in the foreseeable future, I'd rather go 8-8 every year than 2-14.

I have been in the area and following the chiefs since before the chiefs moved to KC...so I know the ups and downs of the organization as well as anyone. I have seen them at the top of the mountain and at the bottom of the pit..last year. There isn't any way but up for this team from last year....you got to learn to walk before you can run.....talk of geno coming in here and instantly turning this franchise into a super bowl contender is just idiotic.

that's a hell of a compliment for Cassell
But he was a game changer
when ever we had a chance Matt would find a way to toss a interception
or take that sack

and on more than a few occasions fumble the ball

this guy has got to be better

right now competence would be one hell of an upgrade

There aren't very many posters (maybe a handful, if that) that think Geno would come in and instantly turn the franchise around. The majority are far more realistic than that. It's a terrible generalization. And again, it's not about the player, it's about the philosophy, which is why so many are upset.

Who said Geno would make us a Super Bowl contender in year 1? Go find that post for me please.

It doesn't exist because he's and idiot.
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In with **** You.

The poll results are interesting. You'd certainly never guess by reading threads that 3/4ths of people are in "benefit of the doubt" mode.

I think you might be making to much of "philosophy"... who says the new plan going forward is to always get someone elses backup?

I'd be willing to bet that the current philosophy is simply to get back to respectable as fast as humanly possible, to try and get rid of the awful taste this fanbase has had in its mouth for nearly a decade... just get some positive mojo working again.

After that who knows, the philosophy could very easily subject to change, who can say that we arent taking a QB high next year? maybe there is someone Reid already has his eye on whom he wants to groom, the fact is we dont know, hell, who even knows what THIS draft will bring... i think what some people are trying to say is just give these new guys a CHANCE.

Philosophies can change.

It's not just our front office saying there isn't that one QB in this draft. It's everyone that covers the NFL.

So let's just pretend that we pick 1.1 and go QB and Geno or which ever QB that goes first too any team. Is a total bust. Then what? We become the laughing stock of the NFL again for picking the wrong QB

Now let's say we don't pick a QB number one and Geno, or which ever QB goes first to another team. That QB is a total bust.

So pretty much you still wanna take a QB 1.1???

Lets say Geno becomes a total pain in our asses for the next 10 years. Then what?

Wait...am I to understand that either scenario is possible and that you have to evaluate the likelihood of the two scenarios occurring and make a logical decision about which course of action will be most likely to improve the team?

Blasphemy. ****ing true fans.

I have no problem with trading for someone else's backup as a safety net. That has not been the mo of this team the past 30 years.

Nobody quoted this?



Honestly, it makes so much sense it makes me want to cry. :(

No, we're excited about all the drives that season which led to an OT loss in the NFC championship game.

Personally, I couldn't care less about prior regimes.

IMHO don't think the Faiders are gonna get Geno.

But if somehow he doe's end up in the blackhole, then I think our D will do what Kstate did too him. Shut him and his recievers down.

We have a very vocal minority of the board here. Always have. Several high post count posters who say the same damn things in every thread

I am on board the Reid/Dorsey bandwagon. Headed toward the promised land...

This off season has been so much better than any over the past ten years it's not worth comparing.

Exactly.......mostly they just complain and whine.

http://www.carbibles.com/images/negativefirst.jpg

/bad troll

How many yards did he throw for that season?
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You've gotta be kidding me... Clark jumped ALL over Reid from the outset, secured Dorsey shortly thereafter, and has now spent the hell outta some cap money and he's still just a nickelbagger who simply wants a few asses in the seats?

You're smarter than that.

Yeah, either that or they're just sick of the same mistakes being made over and over and over again. Of course some dumbshit noob wouldn't know this.

Since no one is going to want to answer for obvious reasons, I'll step up.

A little over 3100 yards.

196 yards per game, and 1.1 TD's per game.

61% completion percentage, which is nothing special when you're not throwing the ball downfield.

But hey, he's nothing like Matt Cassel.

COME ON GUYS GIVE HIM A CHANCE

Puke. Puke. Puke.

We are ****ed
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Enough to guide his team to five quarters in the NFC Champiomship game

If you think he's Matt Cassel, fine.

I've seen at least 15 of his games in the last two seasons and couldn't disagree more with that assessment.

Then it's just business as usual

Sadly, this.

Reading this I half expected to hear:

"Make a difference, not a point".

thank God; we finally agree.
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Is this a CP team-building exercise?

When does the trust-fall fun start?

LMAO

He's had what, 7 years of chances?

The last two with a championship roster around him?

And he's going to turn into Aaron Rodgers now that he's on a 2-14 team?

My God. You sound exactly like I did in 2009. This is really freaking me out man.
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Yea, I was stuk watching him in Fresno. I don't hold Smith in high regard. I just don't think he can get us a SB.

Seriously this feels like groundhog day 2009.

I don't care if we have been ****ed for years.

We went through shit last year.

For this
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I don't think he's a Super Bowl QB, either.

But he's not Matt Cassel, either,

Not sure if serious :hmmm:

I'd say he has better accuracy in the short/intermediate range, and won't completely shit his pants often, but otherwise, they are very similar.

They are both asked to do the same things, because they're not capable of doing things franchise QB's do.

The stats don't lie. Dink. Dunk. Checkdown. Live to fight another day, hoping your defense can carry you.

Dude had an elite defense and elite running game, and his numbers are no better than Cassel, who's had a shitty defense, Jamaal Charles and Dwayne Bowe.

Number of 300 yard passing games for Alex Smith: 3
Number of 300 yard passing games for Matt Cassel: 7

Eh, Chiefs fans have gone through shit for 40 years.

Last year was just another link in the chain.

Dude, I'm no fan of Alex Smith AT ALL be he is not MORE of a game manager than Cassel lol

Not just last year.

In the last 6 years, we've had the 1st overall pick, the 3rd overall pick, the 5th overall pick TWICE, and the 11th overall pick.

One of those guys isn't even on the team anymore, another probably shouldn't be, one is likely about to be the first RT ever taken 1st overall in NFL history, one was unimpressive against insurance salesmen in college, and one might eventually become an impact player.

5 picks that should have been franchise-altering, and MAYBE one difference maker in the bunch.

Whatever positives he might have in terms of his skillset are mitigated by his fragility.

You mean the fifth pick twice?

Don't worry, we just need to lose for a few years to get some high draft picks and this thing will get turned around. [/2006 ChiefsPlanet]

Im sure he's a better game manager than Cassel. That said, stepping in a dog turd stuffed with peanut M&M's doesn't make it less smelly or a more enjoyable experience.
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I don't think it's even worth having a debate about him vs. Cassel. It's not about upgrading Matt, it's about finding a guy that can get through big games. I understand Dane's point about walking before running, and I'm certainly not SB in 2 years or bust, but I don't think Alex Smith is very likely to take us anywhere special.

So in my mind, I would rather take a chance on a young guy, in this case, Geno. I get that he is a massive risk too, but to me potential upside beats out the upside I see in Alex. I just don't like the idea of having to build a super-team to take our QB to the SB. That's kind of what I think would need to happen.

I think both options are big risks. It's risky trying to swim upstream and win with a game manager. It's also risky taking a chance on a rookie. I just see more potential with the latter risk. There is a chance of major fail with the latter risk as well, but stealing from Dane, it would be business as usual. Some are comfortable with Alex and potentially it being a fail and business as usual. I would rather it be Geno/rookie QB and potentially business as usual.

Its ridiculous. And it's also why I won't buy in without our very own franchise drafted QB.

Then what's the point, other than to make the fans feel good about their tailgates?

Why waste valuable picks on guys like that, when you could be drafting future difference makers?

I was excited and ready to give Reid and Dorsey the benefit of the doubt. However, the Alex Cassel trade was so epicly bad (because of the insane value paid + the belief that he is the long-term solution rather than a stop-gap) that they lost me.

It is like saying that, other than Cassel, Peeoli did a good job. I had no problem with the Cassel trade; it was the blindness as to his mediocre (at best) talents. That epic fail has doomed Pioli's legacy in KC alone. The Alex Smith trade has likewise doomed Reid/Dorsey.

That doesn't mean that I'll stop rooting for the team. It doesn't mean that I won't wish that Alex Smith gets a lobotomy/epiphany and discovers how to be a good QB.

It just means that Reid/Dorsey are now in the same boat as Pioli with me (as far as QB evaluation competence). They are a little better because they are more active in the FA market and they don't have the massive ego or fascination with candy wrappers.

So, I will hope for the best and expect the worst.

I can't handle the constant neg.

Dear God.

And Cassel has been a starter for a shade over half the time Smith has.

Yes. Fixed.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthrea...43#post9496143

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....&postcount=359

I'm on my iPad and suck at copying and pasting.

dear god. and cassel has had moss, welker and bowe.

And Smith had Crabtree and Davis.

BTW, 4 of those games by Matt Cassel came when he was in KC.

Worked for the colts.

I understand that point but if Dorsey follows his old teams ways he won't be a big player in FA. Even if he is I think it will be like we are seeing right now, and he seems to be getting the guys he wants, even if over-paying a little. Once he gets a draft or two in I don't seem him being a FA guy.

If you're going to make nothing but "win now" moves, you better ****ing win now.

I would have given this regime all the rope in the world had they realized what everyone else already seems to know - that you win championships with QB drafted in R1 and developed over several years.

I would have kept my tickets, drove 300 miles each way 8 times, and been perfectly content with a low-win season or two. Because we'd be building towards the future.

But when you give up the type of currency we did for a guy an elite team didn't want, it screams "win now".

So they better win now. No excuses.

The depressing idea everyone refuses to discuss is what if there aren't any answers this year. What if this is it, and all these guys never quite make it. People are quite selective with their arguments. There's a huge difference between now and 2009, in that everyone thought Stafford and Sanchez were top 10 talents. Pioli didn't care. This year the prevailing opinion among football people that none of these QBs available in any form are truly elite.