They look like a couple Mos in that pic.

Jockel isn't even the best NFL prospect tackle on that team, yet he is suppose to go #1. Welcome to Brian Joziak Part II.

I'd rather play Albert under the tag this year and draft Jake Matthews next year.

We're going to be coming dangerously close to replicating the major tenets of the Scott Pioli plan, but rather than letting Albert walk, we'll receive some compensation.

Thus, Doreid have shown to possess at slightly greater common sense. But acquiring Alex Smith, at the price they paid, is asinine in every possible way, and this is a play directly from Pioli's handbook of dumb****ery.

But we need to "give the new regime the benefit of the doubt," apparently. Why? No clue.

I did read somewhere that scouts think Matthews will be better suited at lt than joeckel

LOL Go look at 2010 and 2011

Yep. Jake Matthews is the true stud prospect down in College Station.

I think they see Joekel as a big upgrade over Albert, not a lateral move as many have suggested.

How big of an upgrade do you expect when the guy you're replacing gave up 1 sack? Talk about marginal return.

So, option A)

Branden Albert
Geno Smith
#34 overall draft pick


VS.

Luke Joeckel
Alex Smith
#42 overall draft pick

I will take column A every day of the ****ing week.

The absolutely ONLY way they can begin to recover from this cluster**** is to trade out of the first spot with Buffalo, get a 2104 first rounder, and still get Eric Fisher.

Otherwise, what the **** was any of this for?

He might be 7 years younger, but some guys in this thread are acting like Albert's tank is on empty. Albert should have 4-5 more years of productive play in him. So for the next 4-5 years, the move is still a wash....unless of course your only argument is that it's going to save them money....which is a lame argument imo.

I doubt Reid doubles up Syracuse QBs.

Another incoming regime that doesn't respect their OL.

Everybody knows that. Hell A&M put Matthews on the right side because he is a better run blocker than Jockel and wanted to put both of them on the field. I really don't get the hard on for Jockel at all.

Well if they take a LT 1.1, he'd better f-in be a upgrade over Albert.

Realistic or not, when you take a LT 1.1, that's what you'd better get.

The save money argument is a meh argument anyways. If we draft Joeckel...his full contract is guaranteed.

With Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn at quarterback. That makes that stat even more impressive.

"Don't judge Alex and Luke, this is an evaluation year."

What about the 9 he gave up in 2009 and 7 in 2010?

Yep

Reid has been Sanduskying over Joeckel since Joeckel was probably in middle school.

Try to keep up.

It's not "one of Many"....im positive it was something that was said during the Senior Bowl, in which nearly every QB, including Tyler Wilson, had been linked to the Chiefs. Beyond that, there really isn't any evidence to suggest that they are hot on Nassib.

What does that have to do with anything? Are we trading Albert from 2 years ago or Albert now?

JFC you're stupid.

yep Roaf/Ogden/Boselli type of play.

Look at the bright side, guys. If we trade Albert, at least we'll never have to listen to anyone suggest moving him to guard again.

The 2 year rule only applies to Alex Smith. Err....1.5 year rule i should say.

Try to keep up.

Only 3 OT's have EVER been taken 1.1.

Ron Yary - Hall of Famer

Orlando Pace - Future Hall of Famer

Jake Long - Not HOF.


IMO, if you take Joeckel at 1.1 he better have a Hall of Fame career. Anything otherwise is a bust.

Really? Just wait....

Next year....it will be that we should move Joeckel to RT and draft Matthews to play LT because "look how good they were at Texas A&M together"!

Shut the **** up.

You're the dumb **** that thought that Ricky Stanzi was worth a second round pick in 2011 and recently re-iterated that you'd STILL spend a second rounder on him.

Your player evaluations are ****ing horrible. Your football knowledge is horrible. You make all these crazy assed assumptions every ****ing day, just to hear yourself talk.

You're so divorced from reality that it's not only laughable, it's frightening.

I see the truth in it.

http://cdn.hark.com/images/000/803/0...link_large.jpg

:clap:

1 sack in 9 games, right? He was down with a back injury for a large part of the season. I'm just saying - these guys must see Joekel as a significant upgrade... not simply a lateral move. I think a lot factors into that - joekel is the consensus best player, younger, cheaper and better.

Theres nothing wrong with any of this. You guys always argue about hoe overrated tackles are and list all the SB winning tackles blah..blah... all i gotta say is bye

Consensus best player? Dude isn't even the consensus best LT.

He isn't even the best OT at his own school.

As someone that shares the same name with Branden Albert (only difference is my first name is Brandon) this pains me

Maybe it's because I'm a dad now, but I find it harder and harder to care about any of this.

Exactly. If Pioli was in charge of these moves, NOBODY would approve.

What do you guys think theyll do with 2nd rounder now? Maybe we can flip him to the Lions or Eagles. THe Lions are kind of dumb

I don't know if Pioli would have traded for Smith, but he would have let Albert go and drafted LT at 1.

Lions used their #1 pick on a franchise QB.

I don't understand this line of thinking. If Jake Mathews is better, than why was he the RT?

He's younger and he's cheaper. But better? You have no proof of that.

Albert is a fringe Pro Bowl Caliber Tackle. He's a proven commodity. Stats would suggest he's a top 10.

So to say Joeckel is better is foolish.

And i doubt they view him as "significantly" better. Clearly, they think Albert is a Franchise Caliber player. If they didn't, they wouldn't Franchise tag him to the tune of nearly 10m.

Sadly, i DO think cost is a significant factor in this move.

But as a fan, why should you care about how much a player costs? Especially after they've already over paid for "meh" players this offseason?

Your concern should be about putting the best product on the field, and swapping a fringe Pro Bowler for a Pro Bowler at best (which I doubt Joeckel will be as long as he's blocking for Alex Smith) is't a significant upgrade.

I'm with you.

Maybe it's a self preservation move but I'd say ever since a few years ago, I just realized that I love the team, I root for them and all but they don't consult me or ask what I would do. I have no say whatsoever. So why take it personally when they lose? And now I don't.

I guess I've grown more apathetic towards the team more so over the years.

That's why I'm over the fact that they won't draft Geno. I'm over that they traded for Alex. etc. I think it's mistake but all I can do is hope it works out. If it doesn't? No big deal.

I explained this earlier dumb dumb. He is the better run blocker than Jockel and they wanted both on the field.

Consensus is Not Unanimity.

Cause joeckel couldn't play rt and they wanted both on the field at the same time.


If you look, joeckel doesn't really have elite measurables. I'd rather have fisher tbh

Or so they think, Stafford really isnt that good. But anyways what does that have to do with this years 2nd?

If you have the #1 pick, you better expect any player you take to have a Hall of Fame career.

I am too busy laughing at all this...

Last year I mostly pointed at my tv and laughed. I was really excited to get the #1 pick so I'd have a shiny new QB to watch grow.

Oops.

I was responding to the comment about them being dumb.

And Stafford is good.

In our offense I'd rather have the guy who has proven to be a better pass blocker.

And he was, as seen by his play.

Joeckel has also never been hurt before to my knowledge. You think Reid and Dorsey are wanting to pay big money to a LT that misses games every season?

Picking any LT at 1.1 is a really bad idea.

The player will forever be compared to Albert, and if he's not significantly, better, the pick is a waste.

These assholes better trade down even IF they trade Albert.

Also I'm fairly certain Joeckel is going to be a horrendous run blocker, so that makes Charles less effective.

Woohoo!

Meh, I feel much more confident with Alex.

He better be.

Alex Smith better be a big upgrade over Cassel

(he needs to be Cassel + 2.2 pk worth improvement)

Joeckel better be a big upgrade over albert

(he basically has to be albert + 1.1 pk worth. Is Joeckel worth Albert + Geno Smith?)

If not this offseason has been a gigantic waste of time and Reid/Dorsey can go **** themselves.

Well said. Jockel over the next five years won't cost as much as Albert in the next five.

A second and a third/fourth and I'll forgive the high price paid for Alex.
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A second in next year's draft and no team is biting...

wut is wrong with 31 NFL GM's:deevee:

Apparently the public Apology for being such a crank ass was sincere.

I'm saying THE CHIEFS think he is better.... you are right, there is no way to know, yet.... just like there is no way to know what Geno will become. But actions speak here... they are going to take him and trade Albert. You can call them stupid, that is fine, but it is obvious to see where there heads are - they think Joeckel is a better player. As for the franchise semantics, lets not pretend like every player tagged is considered "franchise," just because the CBA calls the tag that.

Well they've already committed to pay him big money, so?


Scouts are already saying Matthews projects to be a better lt prospect than joeckel. Like we all talked about, joeckel a measurablea aren't elite they're average.


There has/ will be a joeckel in about every draft. I don't thin thee is a guy with fishers upside that often

Why do you care how much he costs? Is it your money?

And so what if they save 5 mill a year. Does that mean they are going to go out and spend it on some high quality player (as if you could get one for that 5mill....)? The Chiefs have a history of that?

If you trade albert for a 2/3 and draft an LT at one all you have done is trade 1.1 for Alex Smith.


what the ****.

That's understandable and I would love to have Fisher too, but here's what we should realize.

What players in this draft are better pure football players than Joeckel or Fisher?

Those 2 are easily the best in this class.

Why would they bite? How many LT's have you seen get traded for a 2nd round pick? Honest question, because i can't remember the last one.

LTs can be found in this draft....hell in every draft....Albert was a 17th overall iirc.

Every damn year there is some "elite" lt in the draft. Never fails....it also never fails that that LT is mocked to the Chiefs, lol.

And for the record, i don't think the Chiefs will trade Albert. I also don't think they will draft Joeckel.

If they do draft Joeckel, i think it'll be because they think they can't retain Albert, not because they think Joeckel is significantly better.

It smells like a cost cutting move.

injury prone veteran QB behind inexperienced young offensive line

yep that screams 6-10 with Chase Daniel starting half the season

Because if they don't ignore the similarities, they have to deal with the reality.

Herds of posters are in the rationalizing state of this, dare I say, Process2.

the answer to this is....


Andy Reid traded a 28th? overall first rounder for LT Jason Peters

Ah ok. Yeah, i really didn't know.

Un****ing believable. **** this franchise.

Alex Smith getting KTFOd wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Then we can pass on another crop of young QBs next year and have the same lively and original debate over QB prospects that we've had every year since 2009.

No shit. Just trade him to SF & get our shit back

well, ya :D Dane nailed it.

I'll take Kyle Long at LT over Luke Joeckel.

Why would any team give up that much for Albert when they know KC is caught between a rock and a hard place?

Things going against KC:
- There are still some quality tackles available in free agency where you don't have to give up two draft picks.
- If they don't take a tackle at 1.1 who else are they going to take? It isn't going to be a QB. They are going to use a #1 on Milliner, or a questionable DT? This draft sucks to have the #1.
- Albert's back spasms may spook teams from having to give a big paycheck and draft picks.
- If they take a tackle and Albert is on the roster KC has essentially drafted a RT (for the year), or they are dealing with a disgruntled Branden.

Geno? You know the guy all of the teams in the top 10 that need a QB are salivating over.

False

Appears so. From this story. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...randen-albert/

The Chiefs will seek a second-round pick in this year’s draft as well as another pick in 2014 in a trade for Albert, ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports. We don’t yet know what that other pick in 2014 would be, but it could be a conditional pick designed to replace the conditional 2014 pick the Chiefs gave up for Smith.

Well, you gotta find someone to give you that much first.

I think, this information makes it less likely a deal will get done if, the Chiefs stand by these demands.

Yup, saving 25 millions over five years won't help in signing, re-signing players.

Drop that pipe.
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