No. Just because he gets hurt doesn't mean he wasn't playing well.

If he's playing well, then gets hurt, they aren't trading up to get a QB.

Unless he's absolutely garbage, Smith will be th eQB in KC for the next 2-3 years, for certain.

Doesn't mean they won't identify a must have QB and go get him and let him sit.

The worrisome part is that we'll improve to 8 or 9 wins and that will be enough to keep him here entirely too long and allow them to continue to ignore the QB in the draft.

I hope I'm wrong, but I absolutely hate the Average Smith trade and think it will set this team back at QB for at least 2 or 3 more years.

If they choose to "go get a must have QB" that has to sit, well, thats probably a pretty stupid decision.

Talking about Fisher over Albert.


But carry on.

He'll be a better overall LT IMO. This dude is gonna be a baller.

What would be worse than taking a QB at 1.1 who isn't ready and will ahve to sit? Trading up into the top of the first round, likely using multiple picks to do so, for a QB that will have to sit a year or two.

Oops. Sorry. You are correct in this instance. They are essentially willing to let a very good LT go in the hopes we drafted an elite one.

Yeah. Which is fine, I think he will be.

But he needs to be very very quickly and for a long time for it to be a good pick.

Not if that QB can win us a Super Bowl or 2.

Brandon Albert calls the shots in this house. Not some goddamned rookie and CERTAINLY not some johnny come-lately hack like Dorseid. Accept it, and go in peace.
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I thought you were leaving forever?

I missed that why is he leaving forever or should?

I live here forevar. That's what I said.
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Who's Brandon Albert?

We didn't draft Geno.

Can't we play him for this season and then franchise him again and then trade him or some shit?

Glad too see you on here and not leave like Blackmon.

yes

The Chiefs aren't taking a QB next year unless they are drafting top 5. If they draft at 10-16 and a QB falls the fans will want the Chiefs to pass on him because they don't have a second and he won't be ready to plug and play. If they draft in the latter half they'll say that Smith greatly improved the team and deserves to be the guy going forward.

It will be the same song and dance it always was.

In big picture context, the way the New Regime (NR) has handled the LT position has been a cluster****. My preferences:

1) sign BA to a long term contract before the draft and use 1.1 for a higher priority need
2) Draft Fisher 1.1 and sign BA to play LG or RT
3) Trade BA for a 2013 2nd round pick
4) Trade BA for a 2014 2nd round pick
5) Keep BA for 2013 and ???. We're in no man's land at this point.

Based on where we're at now, assuming BA isn't jumping up and down about changing positions, trading him for a 2014 2nd is the best cut-your-losses proposition. Black mark on the NR.

Trade value in 2014 will be off the charts. In not the right direction.

Hard to believe the " new Chiefs" screwed this up just like the "old Chiefs".

And the lack of 2 2nds to move up with.

Let him play LT this year and THEN take a 2nd round pick. Too little, too late Miami.

If we trade Albert now we should get a 1st in next years draft. Otherwise we should play him for the year and trade him for a 2cd after the season.

It happens plenty he's not an unrestricted free agent, so the agents have a good idea of salary ranges esp. now that they don't have to worry about top draft picks going really high at the same position that would throw off the relative highest paid vets pay rankings. Plus, often times the teams will sweeten the pot for incentives and guaranteed money because they can more easily work the contract to favor their cap situation.

Chiefs would be smart to look at getting a dialogue with his agent going right about mid season so they can hopefully hammer things out in the final weeks before the season ends or just right after it.

Based upon their continued interest and that Ireland's head will roll if they don't have a pretty good season, I'm inclined to say he's not as nonchalant as that, and I doubt nor is there anything that points to the chiefs cool with playing Stephenson and just "seeing how it works."

Why do people think Albert's trade value is going to rise rather than fall?

If I understand things, the Chiefs couldn't get a 2nd for him this year. Why is he suddenly going to command a 2nd in 12 months time? If you want a 2014 2, you're gonna have to do it now. Next year you'll only get a 2014 3, I reckon.

Justin Houston literally has NO leverage in a contract negotiation right now. A player doesn't want to be extended until his 4th year in the league.
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Getting a 2nd now is basically like getting a 3rd after the season.

Would you rather have Branden Albert + a 3rd next year. Or just a 2nd round pick next year. I pick the former.
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The only trade I'd be willing to make is to the Raiders for their 1st next year. Albert was a 1st round pick and has played like a 1st round pick. Why should we take a 2nd for him. Dumb !

Trade him

So he can protect smith during the 2013 superbowl run?

I'd rather the 2nd.

There were a several LTs available in the draft and there were an unusual amount of LT/OT in FA this year as well.
Brandon Albert is being undervalued because a flooded market with OL and a bullshit injury question.
There will not be that many quality tackles available this next offseason. If BA has a good year with no health issues then that issue will be resolved. With those two things being out of the problem. His value should be higher than it was this offseason.

At this point, I'd keep BA and play him where I wanted him to play. If he doesn't like it - tough. Then trade him after the season.

Or that, I really don't want him at LT this year. If its RT or G then fine

That's exactly how I see it.

I just don't think that's Andy Reids mo.

This should be the Chiefs draft or franchise theme song.
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I don't see the Chargers doing this deal. IIRC, our front office will actually have cap space next year and could just sign an LT.

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Folks.....Branden Albert trade to Miami is DEAD....Unless Albert comes down on his asking price stick a fork in him landing with the Phins

We will have our 2cd next year. We won't have our 3rd.

Essentially a 3 team trade..

Chiefs=Smith
Fins=Albert
49ers=2 2nd round picks

LMAO. The Chiefs aren't drafting a QB in the first in the foreseeable future. No ****ing chance. Even if they're top 5, there will be a WR (or something) that better "warrants" the selection.

You know this, and I know this. Some, however, will perform mental gymnastics to try to argue otherwise.

Wasn't the right year.

Geez. Just terrible luck the Chiefs are having. All these opportunities to draft Ryan, Flacco, Freeman, Dalton, Kaepernick, Tannehill, Wilson, Geno, and Barkley, but they're never at JUUUUST the right pick in the right round in the right year.

It's a real wonder how other teams manage to have these brilliant QBs fall into their laps. Because as everybody knows that if the moment is not absolutely 100% perfect to draft a QB, then it will set your franchise back for a full decade.

I disagree with that. If you guys end up with a top 5 next year. You for sure will draft a qb, and Alex Smith will be gone. Too many options next season, (at the moment) stuff changes i know, but you can count on Bridgewater, Boyd, Renner, Aaron Murray, Heisman, Logan Thomas, all being considered top 3 round qbs at the moment.

Care to make a wager on that?

Foreseeable future = next 4 drafts?

Christ, we'll get a comp pick for him if he walks and it would probably be a late 3rd rounder.

If we can't get a high second or better, then he's more valuable on the field for one more season.

I could see one being drafted next year regardless how the chiefs do this season.

It's battered fan syndrome.

We don't expect our team to do anything but what they've been doing for 20 years now. Trade for back up... coddle and make excuses for him. Back up makes a probowl in spite of team not really winning or him not really playing well. Plays like garbage the next season and new back up QB is traded for.

We don't 'draft' QB's in Kansas City.

I would agree with you, except its dorsey, and Reid. They value qbs. Dont even think about rodgers, but the year they drafted Brian Brohm in the second, they drafted Matt flynn in the 7th. Its just the way they are built.....

Except for this year.

Not necessarily, they actually attacked that with a trade and free agency. No need for them to add one they werent sure about. Although they did add bray, so they added three new ones. That satisfy you?

Not at all. Andy has had a hard on for Smith for quite some time. He chose not to bring in any real challenger. That sucks. It's the same thing Pioli did.

In analyzing the Chiefs, it's best to disregard all empirical evidence.

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I sometimes question what we would've done had we sucked enough for Luck last year.

I'm not even joking--I'm not convinced we'd have taken Andrew ****ing Luck.

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No, foreseeable future is 5 years.

I don't make stupid wagers on ultimately meaningless shit on the web. If I end up being wrong, I won't run away from my error, just like any other time.

That's all fine and dandy and all, but it doesn't mean anything to me or other Chiefs fans.

We can't hang our hat on the past of these two guys. It doesn't do us any good. I have hated this off-season immensely and I didn't want Andy Reid here in the first place. He's going to do what he did in Philly... draft numerous busts because he drafts physical ability over football ability and gives no regard to if the players he is drafting are shitty human beings. Besides almost seeking out bad character players, he's also known for spending ass tons of money in FA for average players.

We didn't get Andy Reid from the first five years in Philly... we got the Andy Reid who nuked the whole team over the past 3 years with insane personnel decisions.

I'm so so on Reid. I think he's a terrific coach but we are going to get a lot of late round playoff games where he manages our way to a loss.

But let's be real. It sounds like the free agent frenzy was the doings of the phillyfront office, not rReid. And in fairness, the Eagles have been pretty good at drafting and terrific on offense. Where Reid has struggled is finding a defensive identity after Jim Johnson died. I'm hoping Sutton fixes that. After all, the majority of these busts you're talking about were on defense.

Eh - depends.

Unlike Pioli, Reid and Dorsey don't seem clearly married to Smith. They've been extremely smart to have him play this season under his old contract. If he struggles or is even a mediocre QB, I think you'll see them quickly start to move away from him as a long-term option.

Pioli was going to come in and put his stamp on this organization, by God. And his very first move was Cassel - he needed to make Cassel a success and was going to do everything in his power to ensure it happened. Reid, on the other hand, has a long track record of performance in this league. It's not all sunshine and roses, but he has cache that Pioli/Haley/Fat**** never had.

He can cut bait on Alex Smith and it won't damage his credibility all that much. As such, if Smith struggles this year, they'll give him 2014 to prove just exactly what he is and if he's not the man, well they'll either like where Bray has gone or I genuinely think they'll turn to a 1st rounder type at QB.

So either Smith will perform admirably (90ish QB rating; 2.5-1 TD/IN ratio and 3500+ yds or so) or we'll go after a first round QB. I can live with either of those eventualities.

But we didn't try this year!!!!!!!!!!!

We didn't try ANY year!!!
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