ChiefsPlanet
Page 3 of 4 12 3 4
Show 80 post(s) from this thread on one page

ChiefsPlanet (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)
-   Nzoner's Game Room (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1)
-   -   Misc ghosts (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=272900)

Thig Lyfe 05-13-2013 10:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint (Post 9673917)
I think it's something your mind has to be open to, some what(children). It's not a physical thing like an alien, bigfoot or a Chiefs' Lamar Hunt trophy.
sometimes my wiener gets hard and i dont know how, is ghosts involved???

Jerm 05-13-2013 11:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebolapox (Post 9673476)
I'm of the belief (both as a skeptical molecular geneticist and as a lay person) that there are things we don't understand. is it possible that the things that are seen/felt/heard are ACTUALLY supernatural? I doubt it. is it possible that they're manifestations of some sort of energy that we don't know of? sure, why not? remember, einstein tells us that all matter is energy. when you die, it's possible that some imprint of you is left behind in the form of energy. will we figure it out soon? who the hell knows?

but the idea that people believe what they want to believe and see what they want to see is absolutely true from an evolutionary standpoint... read Michael Shermer's 'The Believing Brain.' it goes into great depth on the supernatural, facial recognition, pattern recognition, etc. in other words, MANY things that are complete nonsense/coincidence get interpreted as 'spooky' because we, evolutionarily, recognize certain patterns for our survival as a species. cool stuff.
I actually came from a very skeptical background...it took a lot to convince me.

I don't come into any investigation with a predetermined mindset or notion...hell there's a lot of times we don't experience anything or get any evidence.

I understand the concepts you speak of and I'm sure that does happen a lot a but me personally, it doesn't apply...I'm open to the phenomena being paranormal or explainable, I go by the evidence.

Lumpy 05-13-2013 11:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe (Post 9680605)
sometimes my wiener gets hard and i dont know how, is ghosts involved???
This actually brings up an interesting point, (pun intended, heh). You could be sitting on the toilet, having happy fun time with your SO, having touchy time with yourself, etc. and ghosts see it all.

I'm not sure if they'll help you wipe your ass, give you a push or a hand though... but they're definitely watching.

Scary stuff.

ThaVirus 05-13-2013 11:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Radar Chief (Post 9673812)
They were staying at her parent’s place one night when my cousin’s Teddy Ruxbin started going off. Just out of the blue started talking, going through its normal recorded routine and wouldn’t shut up waking up my cousin and his mom. He said his mom picked it up and flipped it over to look in the battery compartment, did a double take then flipped the thing back over and looked at it all the while this thing continues going off. She then walked outside with it and my cousin said he drifted back off to sleep only to wake up when she came back inside. When he asked where his Teddy Ruxbin was she said, “When I went to take the batteries out there were none so I started a fire and burned it.”
I saw that movie. It was called Child's Play.

Jerm 05-14-2013 12:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Radar Chief (Post 9673749)
I think I was about 8 when I saw the previous owner of my parent’s house, she died in the house after building it herself and raising her family in it.
I’d never seen a picture of the lady before so there’s no logical reason for my mind to go there, yet there she staring around a corner at me.
I know it was her because later on I met an old lady neighbor that knew the previous owner and showed me a picture of them together. I described what she was wearing and neighbor lady said that’s what she was buried in, which were also her favorite Sunday church clothes.
Other incidents that happened in that house, cold spots, doors opening and closing by themselves, sounds of someone walking around, can be put off to it being an old drafty house, but not seeing her myself. I can still vividly picture her some 38 years later.
Had a similar experience on an investigation at a private residence once and it was one of the most chillings things I've been a part of in doing this....

We had a couple contact us because they had been experiencing some odd things and they said their 8 year old had talked about seeing a woman repeatedly...well we investigate and nothing particularly odd happpened. However the next day we spoke with the family again and had a guy in our group who's an excellent sketch artist pull the boy to the side along with the father just to ensure and validate no coercion took place from our end.

Well he comes back after a while with a pretty damn detailed drawing of a woman in an old style, early 1900s style dress. It was amazing to see the detail and ability to describe this kid gave us.

The mother about lost her shit because she swore it looked like an old relative she remembered in a picture but there were no old pictures in their residence.

I get a call the next day from said lady freaking the **** out and hysterical wanting me to come over to her mothers house...she had something to show me. Sure enough at her moms was a picture of the woman's great grandmother and damn if the two weren't nearly identical sans the clothing (she was wearing something different in the photo). I instantly got goosebumps and started shaking...it rocked me because unless these two coached their kid on exactly what to describe step for step and were lying to us, which wouldn't make any sense, it was pretty compelling evidence. They didn't have any pictures like this in their home and both were adamant their son had never seen the mother's great grandma.

That freaked me out probably more than any other paranormal experience I've ever had.

Bump 05-14-2013 12:28 AM
my friend tries to tell me this elaborate story about a ghost. But I remember him telling me this story years ago and he just told it again a few weeks ago. It was the same story, so maybe he believes it. But it just sounds like ****ing paranormal 3 and some things don't make sense. But he did seem nervous talking about it, I dunno.

He claims and he claims that his family all saw it too, I never talk to them, so I haven't heard it from them.

He tries to say that there was a ****ing demon in his house or something. First he says they were cooking pancakes and left the room for 30 seconds and when they came back to the kitchen, everything was thrown all over the place. A huge mess.

Then he says they all saw a person in the garage. Then he tells me that he went into the bathroom and he saw red eyes in the dark and a screaming sound and he said that was the last night he stayed there.

Sounds like bullshit. I'm like "have you tried to follow up with the new owners of the house? they experience this shit?" "Why wouldn't you call some TV show or a medium or some shit if it's that elaborate?"

I'm 99% sure its BS, but you never know.

That's the closest I've ever gotten to a ghost, so whatever.

Jerm 05-14-2013 12:32 AM
I've never heard screaming like that or witnesse red eyes but I have heard growling and snarling before...absolutely believe it was demonic.

dmahurin 05-14-2013 04:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by frankotank (Post 9670365)
Many many years ago….we smoked some bowls….we drank some beers….and we decided to head to the Leeton glowing tombstone. Got there around midnight. Parked a few blocks away and climbed the gate into the cemetery. Went looking for the glowing tombstone. The night is black without a moon….the air is thick and still…whoops! Went a little Rush there for a second. It was a very very dark night. And then it happened! The Leeton police pulled right up to the locked gate of the cemetery. We all hit the ground. We waited and waited but that sumbitch just wouldn’t leave. Figuring he knew we were in there, someone made the decision to bolt…..right across the driveway, through the cops headlights and out of sight. Like lemmings, we all followed. I was second to last and I was quick as a cat! I blasted across the driveway in the blink of an eye and as I was running full speed into the darkness I remember thinking…..”I can’t see shit! I should probably slow down.” And that’s when I hit the barbed wire fence at full speed.

That shit’ll stop ya on a dime! My right arm slammed through the rows of barbed wire at the top of the fence and I had just enough time to pull it back out when the girl behind me, my future wife, ran headlong into me and bounced me back into the barbed wire fence. This time my right shoulder slammed into the rows of barbed wire. We bounced off, climbed the fence, and ran into the cow pasture and squatted down with the cows until the cop left. We watched him roll out of site and then took off full speed back to the car. It was at this point, again running full speed in total darkness, that I ran into a very wicked crotch high sticker bush and I’m all….FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUCK!

We get back to the car and I’m pretty damn torn up man! I’m bleeding all over the damn place. We got the hell out of there. By the time I got home my jeans were just soaked with blood. As I sit here 30 years later writing this, I can clearly see several scars, pretty bad ones. War wounds. Probably should’ve had a few of these stitched up. Didn’t SEEM so bad at the time….but then again I was high yo!

The End.

PS –
1 - that ****ing tombstone didn’t glow.
2 - I didn’t see no damn ghosts.
3 - Barbed wire will **** you up man!
4 – the Leeton glowing tomb stone ain’t in this video.
5 – then the midgets….then the ****ing midgets!


<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/lICd3pvBEfM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
My version of this childhood tale was a little different. After smoking a few bowls in the cemetery, the police pull up to the gate. My friends and I also lay down to hide but then decide to make a run for it. While running in the dark I ran right over the top of a fresh grave and sank down in the unpacked dirt to just above my knees.

I lost my left shoe in that grave. I hope that body never needs to be exhumed for anything. There will be some strange looks when a shoe is found standing on top of a buried coffin.

Radar Chief 05-14-2013 05:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 9680769)
I saw that movie. It was called Child's Play.
Staring Jon Gruden, I know the show you're talking about.

Iowanian 05-14-2013 08:19 AM
I've told my story here before.

I'll just say the part that convinced me the most would be the windows exploding out of the attic after I yelled at the boogie man in my room. True.

FishingRod 05-14-2013 09:00 AM
There was a Murder suicide in my Kitchen back in the late 70’s. Estranged husband jumped the back fence came in through the walk out-basement then proceeded to shoot the wife and then himself in the kitchen. People not named fishingrod have seen things for years. Then stopped seeing things when we remodeled about 8 years ago. A couple of days ago Mrs. Fishingrod went into the spare bedroom to grab a blanket while we were watching movies. When she took it back in I heard her say WTF! Between when she grabbed the blanket and took it back, the covers on the Bed somehow were turned down on one side. I think it was one of the Dogs but they are both shedding heavily right now and there was no doggie hair on the bed. I’m told I am just not sensitive to the paranormal.

Thig Lyfe 05-15-2013 09:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FishingRod (Post 9681160)
There was a Murder suicide in my Kitchen back in the late 70’s. Estranged husband jumped the back fence came in through the walk out-basement then proceeded to shoot the wife and then himself in the kitchen. People not named fishingrod have seen things for years. Then stopped seeing things when we remodeled about 8 years ago. A couple of days ago Mrs. Fishingrod went into the spare bedroom to grab a blanket while we were watching movies. When she took it back in I heard her say WTF! Between when she grabbed the blanket and took it back, the covers on the Bed somehow were turned down on one side. I think it was one of the Dogs but they are both shedding heavily right now and there was no doggie hair on the bed. I’m told I am just not sensitive to the paranormal.
did u get bonr

OrtonsPiercedTaint 05-15-2013 04:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe (Post 9680605)
sometimes my wiener gets hard and i dont know how, is ghosts involved???
If so, they hung out in a lot of 7-11s, back in the day.

beach tribe 05-15-2013 05:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 9680769)
I saw that movie. It was called Child's Play.
I was just about to say.......
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/bGZkEZH0Jlk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
ROFLROFL. Oh good lawd this clip KILLS me.
"You stupid BITCH! I'll teach you to **** with me!!"

beach tribe 05-15-2013 07:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 9681090)
I've told my story here before.

I'll just say the part that convinced me the most would be the windows exploding out of the attic after I yelled at the boogie man in my room. True.
Please tell again.
That is way beyond "negative energy" or "shadows".
Sounds awesome.

Hammock Parties 05-15-2013 07:15 PM
Last night at the gym I was alone, and looked up and noticed a treadmill was running all on it's own.

I got all spooked, man.

Chief_For_Life58 05-15-2013 07:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Branden Albert's Huge Balls (Post 9685278)
Last night at the gym I was alone, and looked up and noticed a treadmill was running all on it's own.

I got all spooked, man.
It was Steve Prefontaines ghost!!!!

Bump 05-15-2013 07:37 PM
I did live in a shitty apartment complex in Lawrence, KS for a year.

My stereo shelf speaker system would just turn on at all random hours of the day. 3 am. 6 am, noon, 2 pm, 6pm, etc. Just random times and pretty often. It would just turn on and start playing a CD on full blast.

When I moved out, that never happened again and I still have the radio too because it makes a great stereo for the computer.

Maybe a ghost? It was creepy.

KC native 05-15-2013 07:43 PM
I wonder if casper is really friendly or if he is just a pussy

mcan 05-15-2013 08:19 PM
Are ghosts real? Nope.


But man oh man, ghost STORIES are awesome. Keep em coming.

Lumpy 05-15-2013 11:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bump (Post 9685292)
My stereo shelf speaker system would just turn on at all random hours of the day.
Reverse polarity in an electrical outlet can do some crazy things to electronics.

It was probably a ghost though.

Boo.

Bump 05-15-2013 11:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumpy (Post 9686026)
Reverse polarity in an electrical outlet can do some crazy things to electronics.

It was probably a ghost though.

Boo.
no, I prefer logical reasoning. Good point.

Thig Lyfe 05-15-2013 11:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcan (Post 9685404)
Are ghosts real? Nope.


But man oh man, ghost STORIES are awesome. Keep em coming.
yeah I've already cum twice

Thig Lyfe 05-20-2013 04:14 PM
BOO!

Scared you!!!!

Canofbier 05-20-2013 06:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe (Post 9686152)
yeah I've already cum twice

http://www.musicvideosubtitles.com/w...3/01/Kesha.jpg

Contrarian 05-20-2013 06:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe (Post 9669607)
if robots exist why cant ghosts
Wish you were a ghost instead of a robot repeating your anti Chief sentiments like fck'n Robot B9 from Lost in Space. "Danger, danger we have Alex Smith as our QB, eehhhh!!" whimper...whimper...fart...

KC native 05-20-2013 06:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Contrarian (Post 9695566)
Wish you were a ghost instead of a robot repeating your anti Chief sentiments like fck'n Robot B9 from Lost in Space. "Danger, danger we have Alex Smith as our QB, eehhhh!!" whimper...whimper...fart...
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/GF8aaTu2kg0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Thig Lyfe 05-25-2013 04:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Contrarian (Post 9695566)
Wish you were a ghost instead of a robot repeating your anti Chief sentiments like fck'n Robot B9 from Lost in Space. "Danger, danger we have Alex Smith as our QB, eehhhh!!" whimper...whimper...fart...
robots can't fart tho

Easy 6 05-25-2013 11:56 PM
I can honestly say that i've never had what i can truly confirm as a ghost experience, i've heard and seen a few things that gave me pause, a few times in a buddies house that used to be a transit for the Underground Railroad thats now a historic sight in town and a bed and breakfast, and a few times in an ex-girlfriends apartment where a guy upstairs died and wasnt discovered for several days... pretty much just odd sounds, odd feelings and strange flashes in my peripheral vision kinda things.

But i do believe in the human spirit and have seen enough other things to absolutely convince me that anything you can imagine is possible, so i never poo-poo ghost stories.

Easy 6 05-26-2013 12:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 9669400)
Thousands of people looking for ghosts daily and not one documented and confirmed sighting with visual proof. Ghosts=Bigfoot.
That is 100% pure lie.

teedubya 05-26-2013 12:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by buddha (Post 9670519)
People who have experienced them know they are real. Those who haven't usually don't believe.
This.

KC native 05-26-2013 12:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe (Post 9709230)
robots can't fart tho
http://www.blirk.net/wallpapers/1280...allpaper-1.jpg.

mcan 05-26-2013 12:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scott free
I can honestly say that i've never had what i can truly confirm as a ghost experience, i've heard and seen a few things that gave me pause, a few times in a buddies house that used to be a transit for the Underground Railroad thats now a historic sight in town and a bed and breakfast, and a few times in an ex-girlfriends apartment where a guy upstairs died and wasnt discovered for several days... pretty much just odd sounds, odd feelings and strange flashes in my peripheral vision kinda things.

But i do believe in the human spirit and have seen enough other things to absolutely convince me that anything you can imagine is possible, so i never poo-poo ghost stories.
Quote:
Originally Posted by scott free
That is 100% pure lie.

For a second, I didn't read what you were responding to in the second post, and thought this was an elaborately set up joke.

Easy 6 05-26-2013 01:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcan (Post 9709881)
For a second, I didn't read what you were responding to in the second post, and thought this was an elaborately set up joke.
HA! i'm not that clever at this point in the evening...

bevischief 05-26-2013 02:02 AM
Just die.

Lex Luthor 05-26-2013 04:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9709840)
That is 100% pure lie.
So where are the documented and confirmed sightings?

I would think that with the billions of potential ghosts out there (one for each person who ever lived on this planet), a documented and confirmed sighting for ONE ghost isn't a lot to ask for.

bevischief 05-26-2013 06:11 AM
Seriously this made to 14 pages with this clown starting it?

warpaint* 05-26-2013 07:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bump (Post 9685292)
I did live in a shitty apartment complex in Lawrence, KS for a year.

My stereo shelf speaker system would just turn on at all random hours of the day. 3 am. 6 am, noon, 2 pm, 6pm, etc. Just random times and pretty often. It would just turn on and start playing a CD on full blast.

When I moved out, that never happened again and I still have the radio too because it makes a great stereo for the computer.

Maybe a ghost? It was creepy.
Mine did that too while I was living in a house in Liberty and quit once I moved out. For several months it was just during the day and sometimes while I was sitting right in front of it in the living room reading or whatever. First time it happened in the middle of the night at like 2 AM and I came screaming down the hall w/ a baseball bat thinking someone was in the house freaked out of my mind. The volume was turned up pretty high which contributed to scaring the crap out of me coming straight out of a dead sleep. I started turning the volume down to 0 when I was done w/ it before bed and the problem was solved but it would still happen periodically during the day.

That was ten years ago (when I moved out), I still have it, and it hasn't happened since so it was something about that house.

BigRichard 05-26-2013 09:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 9709967)
Seriously this made to 14 pages with this clown starting it?
If you don't like it then you can
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/a...rigoldgtfo.gif

LoneWolf 05-26-2013 10:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRichard (Post 9710188)
LMAO that gif never gets old LMAO

Kaepernick 05-27-2013 06:14 PM
Here is a curveball...

There are 317 million people in the USA according to the CIA World Factbook.

160 million are Protestants.

76 million are Catholics.

3 million are non-denominational Christians.

Call it 240 million Christians.

So how do people who consider themselves to be Christians reconcile a belief in ghosts when the bible precludes the possibity? Lost souls go to Purgatory, they don't get to hang around on earth causing trouble for people.

There are no such things as ghosts or no such thing as God. If I ever saw a ghost, that would be a very bad thing for me as it would mean God doesn't exist.

MOhillbilly 05-27-2013 06:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9713064)
Here is a curveball...

There are 317 million people in the USA according to the CIA World Factbook.

160 million are Protestants.

76 million are Catholics.

3 million are non-denominational Christians.

Call it 240 million Christians.

So how do people who consider themselves to be Christians reconcile a belief in ghosts when the bible precludes the possibity? Lost souls go to Purgatory, they don't get to hang around on earth causing trouble for people.

There are no such things as ghosts or no such thing as God. If I ever saw a ghost, that would be a very bad thing for me as it would mean God doesn't exist.
Purgatory isn't Christian.

Kaepernick 05-27-2013 06:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 9670983)
8 videos in this series...pretty compelling. If he's faking it...it's a pretty good fake.

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrChansu...ow=grid&view=0
Would somebody please explain to me how ghosts can walk throught walls AND can open cabinet doors, move chairs, throw objects, break windows? Are they in the physical world or not? If they are not in the physical world and are just a spirit without mass, then how do grab stuff?

Must be magix.

Simply Red 05-27-2013 06:32 PM
I saw a ghost of Marilyn Chambers ass in the air. I was NOT scared at all.

Donger 05-27-2013 06:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9713064)
So how do people who consider themselves to be Christians reconcile a belief in ghosts when the bible precludes the possibity?
Where does the Bible do that?

Kaepernick 05-27-2013 06:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebolapox (Post 9673476)
I'm of the belief (both as a skeptical molecular geneticist and as a lay person) that there are things we don't understand. is it possible that the things that are seen/felt/heard are ACTUALLY supernatural? I doubt it. is it possible that they're manifestations of some sort of energy that we don't know of? sure, why not? remember, einstein tells us that all matter is energy. when you die, it's possible that some imprint of you is left behind in the form of energy. will we figure it out soon? who the hell knows?

but the idea that people believe what they want to believe and see what they want to see is absolutely true from an evolutionary standpoint... read Michael Shermer's 'The Believing Brain.' it goes into great depth on the supernatural, facial recognition, pattern recognition, etc. in other words, MANY things that are complete nonsense/coincidence get interpreted as 'spooky' because we, evolutionarily, recognize certain patterns for our survival as a species. cool stuff.
All I know is the human brain is an enigma to me. People fell their legs itch months after getting amputated. I've had some darling hallucinations while deprived of sleep. Visual and aural. I'll believe in ghosts when I see one, which will be never.

Donger 05-27-2013 06:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9713094)
All I know is the human brain is an enigma to me. People fell their legs itch months after getting amputated. I've had some darling hallucinations while deprived of sleep. Visual and aural. I'll believe in ghosts when I see one, which will be never.
You should read the handbook. It states: "Live people often ignore the strange and unusual."

Kaepernick 05-27-2013 06:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 9713093)
Where does the Bible do that?
It is the part about dead people going to Heaven, Hell or Purgatory upon death. There is nothing in the bible that mentions the souls of dead people staying on earth. The only mention of ghosts in the bible are things like the Apostles mistaking Christ for a ghost who then corrects them. The Apostles believed in ghosts, but then they believed in a lot of crap before they followed Christ.

The Bible mentions angels and demons. No ghosts.

Donger 05-27-2013 06:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9713099)
It is the part about dead people going to Heaven, Hell or Purgatory upon death. There is nothing in the bible that mentions the souls of dead people staying on earth. The only mention of ghosts in the bible are things like the Apostles mistaking Christ for a ghost who then corrects them. The Apostles believed in ghosts, but then they believed in a lot of crap before they followed Christ.

The Bible mentions angels and demons. No ghosts.
Sorry, but that isn't what you stated. You stated: "a belief in ghosts when the bible precludes the possibity?"

Not mentioning ghosts doesn't mean that the Bible precludes the possibility of them existing.

Kaepernick 05-27-2013 06:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebolapox (Post 9673490)
here's the thing about proof of that sort of thing... do you know how difficult it is to get scientific funding these days? DAMNED hard, right next to impossible in some cases. we'll put it this way with regard to the supernatural:

the first legit proof of the supernatural, verifiable and peer-reviewed, would net the finder the following:

1) nobel prize/huge scientific cred of some sort (this is huge, believe it or not)
2) funding for LIFE

that it HASN'T happened, to me, is evidence that we either don't have the tech for it yet or that it just isn't there (I'll accept either as viable possibilities)
Or extraterrestrials or bigfoot or Nessie or witches or vampires. Good luck with all that stuff. Not an iota of proof in the bunch.

booger 05-27-2013 07:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 9713092)
I saw a ghost of Marilyn Chambers ass in the air. I was NOT scared at all.
put on a coozie i bet its cold in there!

Kaepernick 05-27-2013 07:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 9713102)
Sorry, but that isn't what you stated. You stated: "a belief in ghosts when the bible precludes the possibity?"

Not mentioning ghosts doesn't mean that the Bible precludes the possibility of them existing.
Yes it does. In order for ghosts to exist under Christian theology taken from the Bible, either God would have to misplace souls on earth by accident or God would have to allow animated souls with Free Will to roam earth on purpose. There is absolutly no reference to either possiblity in the Bible.

The best I can figure from my reading of the bible is that souls of the dead sleep until the final judgment day. Even Jesus was attributed to saying "Lazarus sleeps" in reference to Lazarus being dead.

Hell, even Christ's divine soul was inanimate for 3 days, only appearing to his followers after his resurrection, and that was in body not as a ghost. Doubting Thomas actually felt the holes in his hands and feet - so Christ returned in flesh form resurrected, not as a ghost.

"Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."- Luke 24:36-39

Hey, I'm not asking you not to believe in ghosts. I am only saying a belief in ghosts is directly opposed to Christian theology. There is no wiggle room for believing in Christ and believing in ghosts. The bible is pretty clear on that. Dead souls sleep or are in stasis pending Christ's 2nd coming. They aren't running around loose on earth. Ghosts are not possible under any reading of Christian theology.

That is why I directed my question to Christians. Either there are no ghosts or there is no God and the bible is all made up. It can't be any other way.

Don't blame me. I didn't write the bible.

Donger 05-27-2013 07:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9713141)
There is absolutly no reference to either possiblity in the Bible.
The Bible doesn't mention General Relativity or Justin Bieber either. But they exist.

Ebolapox 05-27-2013 07:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9713103)
Or extraterrestrials or bigfoot or Nessie or witches or vampires. Good luck with all that stuff. Not an iota of proof in the bunch.
yep

LoneWolf 05-27-2013 07:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9709840)
That is 100% pure lie.
OK, I'm willing to believe. Show me this documented proven example of a ghost with visual proof. If you can't, then take your 100% pure lie comment and shove it up your ass.

Donger 05-27-2013 07:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 9713151)
OK, I'm willing to believe. Show me this documented proven example of a ghost with visual proof. If you can't, then take your 100% pure lie comment and shove it up your ass.
I don't really care about visual proof. That "evidence" would be highly subjective. One thing that's always given me pause about "proof of ghosts" is actually a part of physics: the conservation of energy.

LoneWolf 05-27-2013 07:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 9713154)
I don't really care about visual proof. That "evidence" would be highly subjective. One thing that's always given me pause about "proof of ghosts" is actually a part of physics: the conservation of energy.
One subject that has always eluded me was physics. Please enlighten me on the conservation of energy and how it pertains to ghosts.

Kaepernick 05-27-2013 07:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 9713147)
The Bible doesn't mention General Relativity or Justin Bieber either. But they exist.
Death, resurrection, the afterlife, Heaven, Hell, the immortal soul. All of this is central to Christian theology and discussed ad nauseum in the bible. The entire discussion of the immortal soul is paramount throught the bible. I don't buy your inference that the authors would have over looked a little detail like God leaving you free to wander the material world while you are waiting.

But you can go ahead and pretend all that wasn't covered exhaustively in the bible.

Ghosts aren't possible under Christian theology.

The only possible biblical explanation for hauntings would be demons, or angels I guess.

I'm not trying to advocate just a personal belief here. I'm just trying to represent a position as written in the bible. I'm not pulling this out of my ass you know.

KC native 05-27-2013 07:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 9713162)
One subject that has always eluded me was physics. Please enlighten me on the conservation of energy and how it pertains to ghosts.
E=MC GHOZT SON

LoneWolf 05-27-2013 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC native (Post 9713167)
E=MC GHOZT SON
I loved MC GHOZT SON's last CD. It was off the chain.

KC native 05-27-2013 07:30 PM
HAY EERY1 I FOUND PROOF OF A GROUP OF GHOSTS

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/YlVNe74l064" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

KC native 05-27-2013 07:32 PM
I DUN KNOW IF THIZ GUY IS A REAL GHOZT OR A GHOST KILLAH

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/D2m6Ghnxf8I" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Donger 05-27-2013 07:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 9713162)
One subject that has always eluded me was physics. Please enlighten me on the conservation of energy and how it pertains to ghosts.
It pretty much states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, merely transformed. Humans have energy. When we die, where does that energy go? Just absorbed into the surroundings? Possibly, or...

Donger 05-27-2013 07:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9713165)
I don't buy your inference that the authors would have over looked a little detail like God leaving you free to wander the material world while you are waiting.
That's fine. You don't have to "buy it."

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9713165)
I'm not pulling this out of my ass you know.
Sure you are.

Iowanian 05-27-2013 08:01 PM
I wasn't sure about the subject either way and was pretty skeptical until I was convinced in a personal manner.

The short story as told here before is....I moved into a rental. The house felt strange, I had the eeby jeebies all of the time, especially in the basement. Weird things happened regularly, mostly explainable...like a bat slapping me in the back of the head one night as I watched TV...or the bees that came out of the ceiling fan in the winter.

I couldn't explain the loud noise that woke me up one night. I could tell you that it sounded like someone was rattling antlers with fists full of plastic and paper bags(closest I can explain)..louder and louder until I woke up. Can't explain what the large shadow standing over my bed was either. I closed my eyes, opened them back up....still there.
Fight or flight kicks in, I get pissed off...the the afraid pissed off and I yell at it to Get the F out of my house...or something similar. I hear a large "WHOOOOOOOOF".....like if you pour gas on a leaf pile and wait a little bit too long to light it.

Then silence. I slept like a baby the rest of the night.

Next morning I wake up thinking it might have been a dream or something....until I went outside and saw glass all over 2 sides of my yard. The north and east attic windows were blown completely from the frames. Not a single piece of glass was inside the house or remained in the frame.

There was no wind, there was no storm, there were no leaves or branches on the ground. Only glass scattered further than you'd think it could be.

After that day, nothing else strange happened while I lived there. I can't tell you what it was, I can't explain it, but I can guarantee it happened very close to the way I've just explained it.

plbrdude 05-27-2013 08:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 9713076)
Purgatory isn't Christian.
glad you pointed that out, never have seen a reference to that in the Bible.

plbrdude 05-27-2013 08:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9713141)
Yes it does. In order for ghosts to exist under Christian theology taken from the Bible, either God would have to misplace souls on earth by accident or God would have to allow animated souls with Free Will to roam earth on purpose. There is absolutly no reference to either possiblity in the Bible.

The best I can figure from my reading of the bible is that souls of the dead sleep until the final judgment day. Even Jesus was attributed to saying "Lazarus sleeps" in reference to Lazarus being dead.

Hell, even Christ's divine soul was inanimate for 3 days, only appearing to his followers after his resurrection, and that was in body not as a ghost. Doubting Thomas actually felt the holes in his hands and feet - so Christ returned in flesh form resurrected, not as a ghost.

"Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."- Luke 24:36-39

Hey, I'm not asking you not to believe in ghosts. I am only saying a belief in ghosts is directly opposed to Christian theology. There is no wiggle room for believing in Christ and believing in ghosts. The bible is pretty clear on that. Dead souls sleep or are in stasis pending Christ's 2nd coming. They aren't running around loose on earth. Ghosts are not possible under any reading of Christian theology.

That is why I directed my question to Christians. Either there are no ghosts or there is no God and the bible is all made up. It can't be any other way.

Don't blame me. I didn't write the bible.
Actually the Greek word for ghost is also the word for spirit.

InChiefsHeaven 05-27-2013 09:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by plbrdude (Post 9713310)
glad you pointed that out, never have seen a reference to that in the Bible.
Not every thing Christian is explicitly in the Bible. Good luck finding the word Trinity...yet all Christians believe in it. Purgatory is in the Bible. Just not explicitly.

As for Ghosts...I'm a fence rider. I do believe that none of that shit is to be messed with. Ouija boards, seances, etc. But I do believe that God sends us messages, in the form of angels. I think more often, they are demons. I believe that once we die, we go to purgation (cleansing) while we await heaven, or we go straight to hell. Any visitations we have from the beyond are either a blessing or a curse, and it takes discernment to figure out which.

Either way, it's nothing to trifle with. You'd never find me on a "ghost hunt"...

kcxiv 05-27-2013 09:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by plbrdude (Post 9713310)
glad you pointed that out, never have seen a reference to that in the Bible.
no, but the bible acknowledges, Angels, evil angels and the Supernatural. I just recently read that in my study bible i got.

plbrdude 05-27-2013 09:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 9713378)
Not every thing Christian is explicitly in the Bible. Good luck finding the word Trinity...yet all Christians believe in it. Purgatory is in the Bible. Just not explicitly.

As for Ghosts...I'm a fence rider. I do believe that none of that shit is to be messed with. Ouija boards, seances, etc. But I do believe that God sends us messages, in the form of angels. I think more often, they are demons. I believe that once we die, we go to purgation (cleansing) while we await heaven, or we go straight to hell. Any visitations we have from the beyond are either a blessing or a curse, and it takes discernment to figure out which.

Either way, it's nothing to trifle with. You'd never find me on a "ghost hunt"...
not all Christians believe in the trinity. on the ghost thing i pretty much agree with what you're saying there. angels are called ministering spirits. i don't agree with the purgatory thing though, Paul wrote that to be absent from the body was to be present with the Lord, either that or we get a long peaceful nap awaiting to be called into His presence.

warpaint* 05-27-2013 09:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 9713378)
Not every thing Christian is explicitly in the Bible. Good luck finding the word Trinity...yet all Christians believe in it. Purgatory is in the Bible. Just not explicitly.

As for Ghosts...I'm a fence rider. I do believe that none of that shit is to be messed with. Ouija boards, seances, etc. But I do believe that God sends us messages, in the form of angels. I think more often, they are demons. I believe that once we die, we go to purgation (cleansing) while we await heaven, or we go straight to hell. Any visitations we have from the beyond are either a blessing or a curse, and it takes discernment to figure out which.

Either way, it's nothing to trifle with. You'd never find me on a "ghost hunt"...
No it isn't but the doctrine is derived from the Bible itself as the Bible in no uncertain terms claims the following which encompasses the doctrine of the trinity:
1. There is only one God.
2. God the Father is God.
3. Jesus is God.
4. The Holy Ghost or Spirit is God.
5. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct persons.

Purgatory OTOH as a word and doctrinal principle in general isn't anywhere in the Bible.

The word itself was first used I think in the 12th century although elements of the principles of going through some sort of transition between earth and heaven date further back. The difference here is they are not Biblical.

I agree that there are things not written in the Bible that are true and also possibly true so long as they don't contradict anything in God's word.

As for ghosts...don't believe in them. When was the last time a ghost haunted a highly populated office building or police station or shopping mall and appeared to someone at 2:45pm. No...it's always the middle of the night, in some dilapidated shack that's falling apart with a dearth of witnesses. As for the people that see stuff, it's not that I necessarily think they're lying or are crazy (I don't necessarily), I just think they are subconsciously hallucinating.

As for people that testify to those experiences, I respect their POV to disagree as it's their personal experience. I just think the reality is the result of something else.

I have substituted "Christian" with "Biblical" b/c the former is used to encompass a wide variety of things over time that are not necessarily rooted in God's word.

warpaint* 05-27-2013 10:02 PM
Furthermore, I agree that messing w/ Ouija boards or other things of the like is asking for trouble b/c I firmly believe demonic forces are real and present in the world. But those aren't ghosts and such belief is Biblical.

KC native 05-27-2013 10:21 PM
Lol @ the posters trying to make this a serious thread.

Jerm 05-27-2013 10:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by warpaint* (Post 9713447)
Furthermore, I agree that messing w/ Ouija boards or other things of the like is asking for trouble b/c I firmly believe demonic forces are real and present in the world. But those aren't ghosts and such belief is Biblical.
I used a Ouija board once and never again...**** that...

Mother****erJones 05-27-2013 10:52 PM
Got stoned and this thread for some reason creeped me the **** out

InChiefsHeaven 05-28-2013 05:11 AM
Quote:
Purgatory OTOH as a word and doctrinal principle in general isn't anywhere in the Bible.

The word itself was first used I think in the 12th century although elements of the principles of going through some sort of transition between earth and heaven date further back. The difference here is they are not Biblical.

I agree that there are things not written in the Bible that are true and also possibly true so long as they don't contradict anything in God's word.
I disagree that purgutory is not Biblical. I hate to cut and paste, but this is a relatively short exerpt from Catholic.com:

Quote:
Christ refers to the sinner who "will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come" (Matt. 12:32), suggesting that one can be freed after death of the consequences of one’s sins. Similarly, Paul tells us that, when we are judged, each man’s work will be tried. And what happens if a righteous man’s work fails the test? "He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire" (1 Cor 3:15). Now this loss, this penalty, can’t refer to consignment to hell, since no one is saved there; and heaven can’t be meant, since there is no suffering ("fire") there. The Catholic doctrine of purgatory alone explains this passage.

Then, of course, there is the Bible’s approval of prayers for the dead: "In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were not expecting the dead to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin" (2 Macc. 12:43–45). Prayers are not needed by those in heaven, and no one can help those in hell. That means some people must be in a third condition, at least temporarily. This verse so clearly illustrates the existence of purgatory that, at the time of the Reformation, Protestants had to cut the books of the Maccabees out of their Bibles in order to avoid accepting the doctrine.

Prayers for the dead and the consequent doctrine of purgatory have been part of the true religion since before the time of Christ. Not only can we show it was practiced by the Jews of the time of the Maccabees, but it has even been retained by Orthodox Jews today, who recite a prayer known as the Mourner’s Kaddish for eleven months after the death of a loved one so that the loved one may be purified. It was not the Catholic Church that added the doctrine of purgatory. Rather, any change in the original teaching has taken place in the Protestant churches, which rejected a doctrine that had always been believed by Jews and Christians.
More here:

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/purgatory

bevischief 05-28-2013 06:13 AM
DC 3,2,1

InChiefsHeaven 05-28-2013 06:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 9713647)
DC 3,2,1
Sorry, sorry. Won't happen again...

AdumbGuy 05-28-2013 11:18 AM
It doesn't matter if there are ghosts or not. Because even if there are, Frank Zombo will eat said ghosts and shit out touchdowns.

Frank Zombo.

Frank William Zombo the 3rd.

Donger 05-28-2013 11:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9713512)
Got stoned and this thread for some reason creeped me the **** out
How about now?

http://i.imgur.com/LEkba.gif


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:13 AM.
Page 3 of 4 12 3 4
Show 80 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.