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DeezNutz 07-12-2013 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9808117)
Realistically, what would you look for when trading Santana and Holland?

Segura II.

This potential level of impact from a prospect. Position doesn't matter.

GloryDayz 07-12-2013 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 9808124)
What'd he say?

He just spoke. That's enough. To much Merlot to remember though...

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-12-2013 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9808129)
Segura II.

This potential level of impact from a prospect. Position doesn't matter.

Good luck.

MeatRock 07-12-2013 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9808104)
Of course. Discussions of "sucking" in terms of professional athletes are always relative because even the shittiest professional is Superman next to beer-league-softball scrot, no matter how much one likes to believe otherwise.

Nice :D. It doesn't matter. I know Chen is terrible in relation to what i would like to have otherwise.

TLO 07-12-2013 08:00 PM

G.K. with a good plate appearance

GloryDayz 07-12-2013 08:00 PM

Real hitters put that one over the fence!

TLO 07-12-2013 08:01 PM

Bases loaded.

Dyson needs MOAR POWER!!

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-12-2013 08:01 PM

Why not have Cain run for Kottaras since he's the tying run?

GloryDayz 07-12-2013 08:02 PM

LOL, this shithead's going to go down looking!

TLO 07-12-2013 08:02 PM

Well poop.

MeatRock 07-12-2013 08:02 PM

Watched it. GTFO Dyson you pussy.

DeezNutz 07-12-2013 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9808132)
Good luck.

Sure. But keeping Santana will net a strong compensatory pick, so the return has to be > the potential draft value. And Holland, were he to be offered, might be the most valuable arm on the market to a contending team.

And mother****ing shit, Dyson.

GloryDayz 07-12-2013 08:02 PM

Told ya... What a dumb ass!

siberian khatru 07-12-2013 08:03 PM

I just dropped in to tell this team to go **** itself.

TLO 07-12-2013 08:03 PM

Dyson just sitting with the bat on his shoulder. Pussy

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-12-2013 08:03 PM

What the **** was he waiting for? Fastball middle in and he takes it?

siberian khatru 07-12-2013 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 9808139)
LOL, this shithead's going to go down looking!

Either you're brilliant or the Royals are that ****ing obvious.

Chiefspants 07-12-2013 08:04 PM

Uh, why didn't Ned pinch hit for Dyson in that situation?

WAIT DISON WAS THA IDEALZ LEFTY-RIGHTEE MATCHUOP RIGHTS?

TLO 07-12-2013 08:04 PM

Haven't scored in the last 16 innings... pathetic

lewdog 07-12-2013 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9808149)
What the **** was he waiting for? Fastball middle in and he takes it?

You don't watch many Royals games do you?

sedated 07-12-2013 08:04 PM

Did Dyson swing at a single pitch that at-bat?

MeatRock 07-12-2013 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 9808154)
Did Dyson swing at a single pitch that at-bat?

He was looking for a walk. Pussy hitter.

ChiTown 07-12-2013 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9808147)
I just dropped in to tell this Franchise to go **** itself.

FYP

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-12-2013 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9808145)
Sure. But keeping Santana will net a strong compensatory pick, so the return has to be > the potential draft value. And Holland, were he to be offered, might be the most valuable arm on the market to a contending team.

And mother****ing shit, Dyson.

It's just a sandwich pick.

Al Bundy 07-12-2013 08:10 PM

Damn.. going into the all star break losing 5 in a row will suck the life out of everyone.

DeezNutz 07-12-2013 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9808163)
It's just a sandwich pick.

Which can land a player like Stanek and Manaea.

mr. tegu 07-12-2013 08:10 PM

Every time we get have a chance to get to .500 we proceed to lose the next 3-4 games. At least the mirage that they could compete this year is almost over. These next two games ought to do it.

MeatRock 07-12-2013 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9808172)
Every time we get have a chance to get to .500 we proceed to lose the next 3-4 games. At least the mirage that they could compete this year is almost over. These next two games ought to do it.

Agreed.

DeezNutz 07-12-2013 08:12 PM

Joel blaming the pen in a game where the offense scores 0. LMAO.

Chiefspants 07-12-2013 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 9808169)
Damn.. going into the all star break losing 5 in a row will suck the life out of everyone.

It's for the better, I'm about ready to be done with this team.

TLO 07-12-2013 08:13 PM

We're sure to win the next two just to keep everyone hanging around a little longer.

gblowfish 07-12-2013 08:13 PM

Runner on third, nobody out.
Bases loaded one out.
Nobody scores.
We lose.
End of story.

MeatRock 07-12-2013 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9808184)
Runner on third, nobody out.
Bases loaded one out.
Nobody scores.
We lose.
End of story.

Rinse and repeat.

GloryDayz 07-12-2013 08:15 PM

Back to Shaq.... There's no way that ****er gets out of that car and not need knees rebuilt!

GloryDayz 07-12-2013 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9808150)
Either you're brilliant or the Royals are that ****ing obvious.

Yes... And I'm just drunk enough to be smarter than I was at work today...

GloryDayz 07-12-2013 08:18 PM

Now onto AT&T U-verse.. As ****ed up as sprint is as a cell company, AT&T is as an ISP. And this ad campaign has solidified that even at $0 I'll never buy into their shitty-ass product... I'll go dial-up first!

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-12-2013 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9808170)
Which can land a player like Stanek and Manaea.

It can, but it's still a fairly low success rate. I think the Royals might be better off getting high-A to AA-level talent, even if the potential ceiling is a touch lower.

GloryDayz 07-12-2013 08:25 PM

Yost with no answers. He looks like a manager who's ready to be sent away.

We can only hope....

Chiefspants 07-12-2013 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 9808204)
Yost with no answers. He looks like a manager who's ready to be sent away.

We can only hope....

I'm done with this team if he's still here after the ASB. Yost has a laminated formula to baseball and has shown he possesses no flexibility to deviate from it on any occasion.

Sure-Oz 07-12-2013 08:43 PM

Yost being fired does nothing for this franchise....GMDM has to go

GloryDayz 07-12-2013 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 9808236)
Yost being fired does nothing for this franchise....GMDM has to go

The owner is still the captain of this ship.. He may have cut into his profits a bit this year to fend of some criticism, but the truth is, he's still a greedy ****wad and the only constant in this teams failures for a lot longer than GMDM and Ned.. He'll jsut hire another Rex Hud to replace them...

Yes men keep him richer than he'd be if he was trying to win.

So they all suck balls, but he owns most of the blame.

Sure-Oz 07-12-2013 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 9808278)
The owner is still the captain of this ship.. He may have cut into his profits a bit this year to fend of some criticism, but the truth is, he's still a greedy ****wad and the only constant in this teams failures for a lot longer than GMDM and Ned.. He'll jsut hire another Rex Hud to replace them...

Yes men keep him richer than he'd be if he was trying to win.

So they all suck balls, but he owns most of the blame.

Agreed...but he's opened the pocket book and DM hasn't done shit with it

Chiefshrink 07-12-2013 09:19 PM

Bottom line: Losers lose regardless of talent. A losing culture always has that small still voice using a megaphone in their brains that say's "Were the Royals, we'll find a way to "F this up".

GloryDayz 07-12-2013 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 9808287)
Agreed...but he's opened the pocket book and DM hasn't done shit with it

They, together, are suck-brothers...

Deberg_1990 07-12-2013 09:46 PM

Heh, I knew the Royals should have dumped Yost and pursued Francona in the offseason.

sedated 07-12-2013 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 9808287)
Agreed...but he's opened the pocket book and DM hasn't done shit with it

The record might not show it, but DM took the worst rotation and turned into one of the best. The young guys havent developed, I will give you that. Hiring dumb and dumber to be the hitting coaches, I will give you that.

But give a guy a good to great 1-2-3 rotation, great defense, good to great bullpen, and this team should be doing more. Yost seems to be pulling all the WRONG strings. Batting Escobar 2nd? Using Collins as a lefty specialist? Keeping Frenchy in the lineup?

Deberg_1990 07-12-2013 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 9808359)
The record might not show it, but DM took the worst rotation and turned into one of the best. The young guys havent developed, I will give you that. Hiring dumb and dumber to be the hitting coaches, I will give you that.

But give a guy a good to great 1-2-3 rotation, great defense, good to great bullpen, and this team should be doing more. Yost seems to be pulling all the WRONG strings. Batting Escobar 2nd? Using Collins as a lefty specialist? Keeping Frenchy in the lineup?

Your actually defending DM? So after 7 years, all we have is a fairly mediocre team. WooHoo!


Shoot for the stars Royals fans.

sedated 07-12-2013 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9808371)
Your actually defending DM? So after 7 years, all we have is a fairly mediocre team. WooHoo!


Shoot for the stars Royals fans.

DM did what all of us asked for after last year - give us a good to great starting rotation. Im not defending everything he's ever done, but anyone who wasnt excited about the roster coming into this year is a pessimist, especially given the hindsight of what Shields and Santana have done.

stonedstooge 07-13-2013 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9808328)
Heh, I knew the Royals should have dumped Yost and pursued Francona in the offseason.

Amen brother, amen

Three7s 07-13-2013 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 9808378)
DM did what all of us asked for after last year - give us a good to great starting rotation. Im not defending everything he's ever done, but anyone who wasnt excited about the roster coming into this year is a pessimist, especially given the hindsight of what Shields and Santana have done.

The whole board wanted Francouer gone. So no, he didn't do "everything" we wanted.

Messier 07-13-2013 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 9808378)
DM did what all of us asked for after last year - give us a good to great starting rotation. Im not defending everything he's ever done, but anyone who wasnt excited about the roster coming into this year is a pessimist, especially given the hindsight of what Shields and Santana have done.

It's nice to have Shields and Santana, but they're rentals. Santana will be gone after this year, Shields after next. We still can't develop pitching.

GloryDayz 07-13-2013 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated (Post 9808378)
DM did what all of us asked for after last year - give us a good to great starting rotation. Im not defending everything he's ever done, but anyone who wasnt excited about the roster coming into this year is a pessimist, especially given the hindsight of what Shields and Santana have done.

I'm pretty sure Jesus couldn't fix this team with Glass as the owner, so I'm not giving DM a break (he's evidently not God), but I am going to say that he too didn't have the cash available to fix this team - only DG does, and he's the wrong guy to ask to part with guaranteed profits for a banner. Nope, he's Wal-Mart, and if there's one thing Wal-Mart-types don't care about it's paying top dollar for a banner. And paying employees is the last thing the Wal-Mart mindset allows to happen. Just pay them enough to not get in trouble... Hell, hire fat people, they're easy to bully!

Sure, DM got more than some others, but he never had enough to have the depth at hitting, pitching, relieving and fielding that it takes to put together a squad that can make a run. And he only got that because of the overwhelming bad press that was mounting, and even Wal-Mart-types will give an inch to have those cameras turned away.

I'll agree with the masses that hitting Escobar #2 has been both silly and ego driven, but alas it's the majors and this seems to be what managers and GMs do to themselves at this level.

And last, playing for this team has become something akin to jail, sent down, sent off, or just hidden. Sure, we always have a Gordon who's our long-term good player, maybe even three darn good players, but eventually the Gordons of the world realize it's not going to happen here and look for a way out. We were all up in arms the other night when shit-for-brains suggested that that Perez, somehow, be in pin-stripes. We all know it might, and probably, will happen (him going somewhere better), and the anger wasn't the fact that was true, but instead that he said it....we just never talk about it; it's a dirty little secret that won't hurt us if we never face-up to it. So, while it's a fact, it's one that's never spoken about from the booth. I'm not giving Hud a break, he's one dumb son of a bitch, he's got a long way to go to understand how this house works, but in this case his lack of local tradition and ways just bit him.. But, again, he was too stupid to not keep on talking about it...

Good morning....

Prison Bitch 07-13-2013 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 9808606)
And last, playing for this team has become something akin to jail, sent down, sent off, or just hidden. Sure, we always have a Gordon who's our long-term good player, maybe even three darn good players, but eventually the Gordons of the world realize it's not going to happen here and look for a way out. We were all up in arms the other night when shit-for-brains suggested that that Perez, somehow, be in pin-stripes. We all know it might, and probably, will happen (him going somewhere better), and the anger wasn't the fact that was true, but instead that he said it....we just never talk about it; it's a dirty little secret that won't hurt us if we never face-up to it. So, while it's a fact, it's one that's never spoken about from the booth. I'm not giving Hud a break, he's one dumb son of a bitch, he's got a long way to go to understand how this house works, but in this case his lack of local tradition and ways just bit him.. But, again, he was too stupid to not keep on talking about it...

Good morning....


Good morning! Who cares if our star players leave? Tampa and Minny and Cleveland and Florida and Oakland have dealt with that too for years. They've lost every bit as much (if not more) talent than we have, they just plug holes better and frankly they develop pitching which we simply....cannot....do.


Beane once said "wins draw fans, not stars. I could have Barney the Dinosaur playing RF but what does it matter to the fans if the team can't win any games?" Look at STL dumping Pujols onto the Angels while they keep winning.


I was watching Pitt vs Oakland the other night. Kurkjian was on with a graphic showing the Oakland starting rotation is making 4.9m. Yeah, combined. Beane can both develop and trade for young pitching but we have developed 1 excellent starter in the past 25 years.

Nightfyre 07-13-2013 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 9808606)
I'm pretty sure Jesus couldn't fix this team with Glass as the owner, so I'm not giving DM a break (he's evidently not God), but I am going to say that he too didn't have the cash available to fix this team - only DG does, and he's the wrong guy to ask to part with guaranteed profits for a banner. Nope, he's Wal-Mart, and if there's one thing Wal-Mart-types don't care about it's paying top dollar for a banner. And paying employees is the last thing the Wal-Mart mindset allows to happen. Just pay them enough to not get in trouble... Hell, hire fat people, they're easy to bully!

Sure, DM got more than some others, but he never had enough to have the depth at hitting, pitching, relieving and fielding that it takes to put together a squad that can make a run. And he only got that because of the overwhelming bad press that was mounting, and even Wal-Mart-types will give an inch to have those cameras turned away.

I'll agree with the masses that hitting Escobar #2 has been both silly and ego driven, but alas it's the majors and this seems to be what managers and GMs do to themselves at this level.

And last, playing for this team has become something akin to jail, sent down, sent off, or just hidden. Sure, we always have a Gordon who's our long-term good player, maybe even three darn good players, but eventually the Gordons of the world realize it's not going to happen here and look for a way out. We were all up in arms the other night when shit-for-brains suggested that that Perez, somehow, be in pin-stripes. We all know it might, and probably, will happen (him going somewhere better), and the anger wasn't the fact that was true, but instead that he said it....we just never talk about it; it's a dirty little secret that won't hurt us if we never face-up to it. So, while it's a fact, it's one that's never spoken about from the booth. I'm not giving Hud a break, he's one dumb son of a bitch, he's got a long way to go to understand how this house works, but in this case his lack of local tradition and ways just bit him.. But, again, he was too stupid to not keep on talking about it...

Good morning....

The Royals had ample payroll to make a push this year.
It was just wasted on:
Frenchy - 7 mill
Chen - 4 mill
Hoch - 4 mill
15 mill is a lot of scratch. That is an elite SP salary. Thats roughly a fifth of our payroll, just wasted.

It will be really interesting to see what happens next year when our contract for Guthrie blows up and Moose and Hos hit arbitration.

Chiefspants 07-13-2013 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9808776)
The Royals had ample payroll to make a push this year.
It was just wasted on:
Frenchy - 7 mill
Chen - 4 mill
Hoch - 4 mill
15 mill is a lot of scratch. That is an elite SP salary. Thats roughly a fifth of our payroll, just wasted.

It will be really interesting to see what happens next year when our contract for Guthrie blows up and Moose and Hos hit arbitration.

Ventura/Duffy will replace Santana, we'll give Davis another year (Ala Hoch/Davies) and we'll be our way to another 78 win season!

2015 is when the party will really get started.

Nightfyre 07-13-2013 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 9808783)
Ventura/Duffy will replace Santana, we'll give Davis another year (Ala Hoch/Davies) and we'll be our way to another 78 win season!

2015 is when the party will really get started.

Let's be honest - the next wave of talent is a ways out and is not projected to be nearly as strong as the current wave was projected to be. 78 wins seems like a stretch.

Chiefspants 07-13-2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9808787)
Let's be honest - the next wave of talent is a ways out and is not projected to be nearly as strong as the current wave was projected to be. 78 wins seems like a stretch.

If David and Dayton decide that this once 17-10 team has the talent for a late season run (without making any moves for any other pieces), this is how I forsee the next three years.

2013- 77-81 Wins
2014- 75-79 Wins
2015- 70-74 Wins

And the cycle will continue in a downward trajectory until we're circling the AL's toilet once again.

BlackHelicopters 07-13-2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 9808798)
If David and Dayton decide that this once 17-10 team has the talent for a late season run (without making any moves for any other pieces), this is how I forsee the next three years.

2013- 77-81 Wins
2014- 75-79 Wins
2015- 70-74 Wins

And the cycle will continue in a downward trajectory until we're circling the AL's toilet once again.

If we hit 75 in any of the three seasons, It will be surprising to me. Maņana, maņana, maņana. 28 years.................

Nightfyre 07-13-2013 07:56 PM

What is with this team striking out looking? Jesus. Two nights in a row.


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