If that makes you feel better about it.

Pretty bad when you can't even beat a QB with a rating of 24, rookie or not. Not to mention a dismal Patriot defense.


Tom Brady 24.2 Total QBR vs Jets Geno
Smith: 15.0 Total QBR vs Patriots

Yes, it absolutely is mutually exclusive.

Had Dick Vermeil been able to put together anything other than the 31st rated defense, the end result would have been different then, too.

Quarterback >>>>>>>>>>>> All world left tackle
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So we just lose to Brady instead of Manning then.
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Trading for cassel was a failure, but we know where and why that was a failure from the get go.


Trading for green wasn't a failure, the fail was not putting a better defense out there and having a guy ready to go when he petered out

There is absolutely no doubt that Cleveland chose the wrong first round QB in the 2012 draft. I would like to have heard Holmgren's reasoning for passing on RGIII (and Wilson, for that matter).

Considering the other option was Drew Brees. Major fail.
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Not really.

Depends which Bree's we would have gotten. San Diego, or NO.

The big **** up was DJ, who's a great player, over Rodgers.

Wilson is a midget. Pretty easy on that one.
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You'd have to draft and develop a qb to have one ready to go. The bottom line is, this strategy doesn't work.

Yes, every Super Bowl has been won by quarterbacks drafted by said team.

Really? So no team has won a Super Bowl with a QB they didn't draft?

Drew Brees sucking in San Diego is a myth.
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As I've said a million times, I was a huge proponent of Brees. He would have been a perfect fit in Vermeil and Saunders offense and it's a damn shame that Vermeil was dead set on Green.

I don't think Bree's is Bree's without Payton, but that's just my opinion so I'm not gonna state it as a fact. I would have loved to have picked brees

This. With the line and running game, Brees would have developed nicely.
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No, just 70 percent. It isn't significant, statistically.

30 percent of the time.

Geno is getting time to throw that rarely is afforded to young QBs forced into action.

You are OK with INTs if he reads something and a throw goes out on time or even a little late and the defense anticipates the read and jumps the pass. Or the defense may of flat out fool a young QB with a complex coverage you don't see in college.

In his 1st 80 games Peyton Manning threw 100 INTs.

In his 2nd 80 games Peyton Manning threw 53 INTs.

All games 81-225 109 INTs

You need to play within the scheme and get a feel of what passes you can fit in the NFL tight windows and ones that can't no matter how good your timing and arm is, some passes just can't be thrown.

Holding on to the ball or bailing out of the pocket only delays the development process.

Then you just proved yourself wrong.

Are you really bad at math or something?

I'll leave after this but I don't see how you guys can root and stick up for one QB who played awful and plays for the Jets but not root for your own QB who played decent? Why is that? How can you sit and stick up for the one who played much much much worse, and hate on a guy that threw 2 td passes and has already nearly surpassed last years win total in a week?

The Patriots could have had them some Tebow, but noooooo. They just had to stick with this stiff, Brady.

You said this strategy never works, when 30% of qbs that have won SBs have been obtained this way.

So obviously, it does work, just not very often.

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I don't hate Smith. I think he's pretty good. I disagree with the philosophy.

It never works for the chiefs, unless you go back nearly 50 years.

Then yes, it has worked.

Grammar police!!,!

Ok, well i'll leave you all alone. Probably be back on Sunday. Hopefully Alex comes out and performs well and gets you guys a W.

Yes, it once worked, when your grampa was still dating your grandma.

That is just untrue

What the ****?

14% of all first round QB's drafted since 1967 have won a Super Bowl.

Higher than every other round.

:spock: Are you saying we're due?

We'll win more than that with Smith. And you do realize, that we can win..AND... develop a QB at the same time right? It's not an OR situation like you guys keep pretending it is.

Wut? 34 out of 47 super bowls were won by qbs with the team that drafted them. Maybe 35, I'll have to count them again.

By 9%: 5% of all QB's drafted in the second round have a won a Super Bowl.

Who said we're okay with not drafting a QB? I wanted to draft Geno, but to date, he's given me no reason to think Andy Reid and John Dorsey (not to mention 31 other teams ) were wrong in passing him up. I'm happy every time he fails because that means that Reid was right about him.

We didn't want to draft him. We wanted Frisco to draft him so we could trade for him 7 years from now. Why else would we give them such a high pick? We thought they would need it to take him but they screwed up our entire plan.
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It's like being in first place only reversed.

It's Opposite Day.

It was the rain!!

If you dont wish we had Geno, YOU HATE QBs.

Blame it on the Rain

-Millie Vanile

Geno has looked better than I expected so I wont hate. I still have no regrets not drafting him as I think Bray has more potential. Good luck to him.

LMAO - thanks gonna be stuck in my head the rest of the night :banghead:

I don't know if they can. I'm almost 37 and in my lifetime they haven't done it. I watch hoping every year this guy they are grooming does it but it don't happen so, if u really want an answer from what I have seen from the chiefs in would have to say no, I don't think they can because its never been done here since I started breathing.

Yeah but 100% of super bowls won by the Chiefs were won by a quarterback who they did not draft.

I think Andy Reid can do it

So you expected him to throw more than 4 INT's in his first two games?

I don't understand it either.

If he doesn't get pushed out of bounds what do you think the chances are he gets those 15-yards that made a field goal remotely possible with :07 on the clock?

He was flat out bad tonight.

Yeah, he was bad tonight and he wasn't exactly "good" against Tampa Bay's awful defense.

Fortunately for him, he doesn't face any "real" defenses for a few more weeks. The Steelers, Ravens, Dolphins, Panthers and Browns will be very interesting opponents for him.

I thoigh Geno played well in a rain game on the road. He's got a really good shot at being good.

Being thrown into the deep end of the pool can make you learn how to swim quick. I look at it as a positive to be honest.

I really hate you right now. :banghead:

Because multiple SB wins is the goal, and the pathways to achieving that with Alex Smith are very narrow.

There is a good chance that this season crashes on the shoulders of Alex Smith. In other words, when our season ends, the weak point won't be the OL, the running game, or the defense. It will be the passing game, because we can't/don't consistently stretch the field. We'll run an offense that allows the D to cheat up. We'll allow teams to stay in the game and steal a last second victory. Our last drive will fall short.

These are the ways our season will end.

Geno didn't look good tonight but I think he will be a decent NFL QB. But thats just it. Decent. We've had decent.

I wanted Geno too but not with pick 1:1. We were obviously not trading down and he was obviously not going to fall all the way to the third round. The Chiefs pretty much did the only thing they could.

Not saying I like the Alex Smith situation but he is a Chief and I will support him until he completely shits the bed. I am thrilled that Bray fell to us in FA though.

LMAO

How about multiple, consecutive winning seasons to start?

I swear, some of you people are downright delusional.

Geno has the same issues now as pre-draft: Inaccurate long ball, no pocket presence and bad decision making.

He reminds of Vinnie Testeverde, without the big arm.

Making good throws half the time isn't "playing well." That's the definition of playing poorly.

Fact is, if the Pats didn't look like absolute crap on offense that game is a disaster.

So far the Jets have scored the same amount of points in two games that the Chiefs scored in one.

This sums up how I feel as well.

I'm embarrassed that I remember that song.

Neg rep for me is my punishment

I hate allying with the Donkeys.

Matt Cassel decent?

:spock:

If Clark and company aren't trying to build a dynasty, they aren't trying period. Are you and Carl Peterson still promoting "just make it to the tournament and anything can happen?" Yeah, you can be beat by a shit team or a team that is better than you. Been there, done that, closet full of tee-shirts.

The Packers, Dolphins, Steelers, 9'ers, Cowboys, and Patriots erupted into dominance. They didn't creep in.

Look at the talent that has died on the shoulders of a talentless Bono, a heartless Grbac, and a clueless Matt Cassel.

Yeah, lets do this dance one more time.

Who said I was referring to Cassel? Do only the last 4 years count or something?

Don't be obtuse. You know what what he meant with that post.

That's what Carl Peterson said when Steve DeBerg was our QB.

He called me delusional. I'm not interested in a repeat of the Marty era. AT ALL.

Based on the fact that this occurred just a year ago:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/...dalism-reports

Any time somebody brings up the term "Super Bowl" when talking about the Kansas City Chiefs as they are today, Dane snaps at them like Cesar Millan on a German shepherd. Because the Chiefs have sucked for so long, we're not allowed to use that term in our thinking and in our opinions.

We have to string together 9-7s and 10-6s for several years before we can do that.

I just want to get back to the playoffs and build on it. IF we happen to win a superbowl on our first try they OUTSTANDING!!!

I just don't expect us to be THAT lucky.

Marty's defense with Vermeil's offense = SB

I don't think any of us are.

This isn't MLB, where wealthy teams can buy franchise players. 90% of the time, teams "luck" into franchise players due to their previously bad records.

Very few teams have had the BALLS to trade for a franchise QB or player. Denver, the NY Giants, Ravens, 49ers and the Packers are the only teams in the past 30 years to actually traded for a guy that became Super Bowl winning QB.

The rest fell into the laps of their teams.

Yeah, because everyone knows its easy to go from 2-14 to a Super Bowl with the snap of a finger.

If you believe that, you live in Fantasy Land.

Nobody here is talking about winning a Super Bowl in the 2013-14 season.

At least not the sane ones.

We're talking about contending every year for the Super Bowl. Showing up in the playoffs and wrecking shit while we're there. Making people think, "Now, the Kansas City Chiefs could very well be the team that wins it."

That process takes time and patience. And I think you'll find that of all the fans, the ones who possess the most patience for building that kind of winner are the ones who are pretty adamant about drafting a QB.

I'm still pretty hopeful, because either Alex Smith can be that QB or we can draft some QBs starting in 2014. Either option is fine with me.

But if Alex just sort of does the usual "Herp derp good defense can't beat in playoffs too tough aw shucks" thing that has hounded him his ENTIRE NFL career, I expect Andy to make a switch. If he doesn't, that's when the Pioli/Cassel comparisons will start flying, and this place is going to make 2008-2013's QB mania look mild

Do you really think this is a 2-14 team? We won the division in 10 and a field goal away from winning in 11.

We are not a 2-14 team, now Jax is a 2-14 team.

When people talk about winning a Super Bowl in Kansas City, they're thinking years from now. I'm amazed that you don't ****ing understand that. Not one goddamned soul has placed the expectation upon Alex Smith and Andy Reid of winning a Super Bowl in one season.

You're a moron.

This team went 4-12, 2-14, 4-12, and 2-14 over the past six seasons.

10-6 was the anomaly, not the poor seasons.

So does Matt Blundin = Tyler Bray?