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Mav 09-19-2013 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe (Post 9992515)
They should trade for Cassel
Havent we suffered ENOUGH?

TimBone 09-19-2013 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9991672)
If we banned everyone who was considered a crybaby bitch by another poster........ who would be left to post?;)
Rainman

BryanBusby 09-19-2013 01:22 AM
Come on Andy, this is where you need to work your magic. Send em Chase Daniel, AJ Jenkins for Gordon and Mack. Hell, tell them to toss in a draft pick and we'll give them Hudson too.

The Browns are stupid enough to probably accept.

Marcellus 09-19-2013 05:56 AM
Had they traded for Alex Smith rather than drafting Weeden they wouldn't be in full rebuild mode this year.

They could contend for that division.

BigCatDaddy 09-19-2013 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9992660)
Had they traded for Alex Smith rather than drafting Weeden they wouldn't be in full rebuild mode this year.

They could contend for that division.
LMAO LMAO LMAO

Fat Elvis 09-19-2013 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9991687)
Trading for backups and signing middling veterans ALSO gives you that list, big guy.

Detmer
Wynn
Pederson
Holcomb
McCown
Garcia
Dilfer
Gradkowski
Delhomme
Wallace

All of those guys weren't drafted by the Browns. And a bunch of them, like Holcomb, Garcia, Dilfer, and Delhomme were acquired as stop-gaps so that the franchise could "learn to win" a little bit before finding a long-term answer at QB.

That list represents a mountain of a franchise failure more than it damns any one particular QB-developing strategy.

Fine. Take out your QBs.

This is what happens when you draft a QB just to draft a QB.


http://www.businessinsider.com/brown...ce-1999-2013-9


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The Cleveland Browns Named Their 19th Starting Quarterback Since 1999
George Sitaras Sep. 18, 2013, 3:41 PM 711 1


The Browns are 0-2 and once again are last in the division. To make matters worse, now they are without their starting quarterback.

The team announced today that former Patriot Brian Hoyer will get the start on Sunday after starter Brandon Weeden sustained a sprained right thumb against the Ravens last weekend.

Whether through free agency, transactions, or the draft, the Browns have had a rough time finding a franchise quarterback and still are without one after 15 years.

Here some of the Browns most notable quarterbacks that were supposed to turn the organization around, starting with the 1999 number one overall pick.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/brown...#ixzz2fLYwaizj

Thig Lyfe 09-19-2013 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 9991334)
Bridgewater is Aaron Brooks 2.0
http://gifatron.com/wp-content/uploa..._beer_drop.gif

Bowser 09-19-2013 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9991650)
We should continue to have the same 5 year old discussion
I think you meant to say "30 year old discussion".

Bowser 09-19-2013 10:08 AM
Can a mod see this post? I think KC Lee broke the thread with his Yakety Sax Youtube vid.

RealSNR 09-19-2013 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9992795)
Fine. Take out your QBs.

This is what happens when you play it safe and sign/trade for veterans and backups


http://www.businessinsider.com/brown...ce-1999-2013-9
FYP.

You can just as easily blame that strategy for the Browns QB woes.

Mav 09-19-2013 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 9992590)
Come on Andy, this is where you need to work your magic. Send em Chase Daniel, AJ Jenkins for Gordon and Mack. Hell, tell them to toss in a draft pick and we'll give them Hudson too.

The Browns are stupid enough to probably accept.
In fairness, they did just get a first rounder for a running back that has averaged 3.5 yards per carry. I don't think they are that stupid.

Mav 09-19-2013 11:15 AM
Tell ya what. Send us Bray, and we send you Mack........

RunKC 09-19-2013 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9991548)
You don't know that.

I think teams will draft QBs in the 1st round because this is perceived to not be 2013, but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll be worth 1st round picks the way some people think they should be at.
I honestly believe Geno wasn't a first round pick because of his personality. He was too cocky, didn't know enough about the X's and O's (same for other QB's like Barkley) and he apparently text on his phone on visits.

jettio 09-19-2013 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9991364)
Gettelman's already put the team and Newton on notice. Personally, I love Cam Newton but he was doomed this season the second that Mike Shula was hired as his OC. He ****ing sucks ass and makes Brian Daboll look like Bill Walsh.

I wouldn't be shocked if Chud and Gettleman did business because it's obvious that Cam shined under Chud.
Mike Shula was promoted to OC after being the only QB coach that Cam Newton has had in the NFL.

Shula was a decent QB at Alabama and he had a lot to do with Cam Newton starting off his career with incredible production.

You have not even watched any Panthers games this year. They could have beat Seattle if not for a fumble inside the Seattle 20 in the fourth quarter. Not quite sure how you blame the OC for calling plays on a 4th quarter drive that moves the ball all the way down the field against one of the NFL's best defenses just because a player funmbles at the end of a 15 yard run.

You are going to say that Rod Chudsinsky is so much better than the QB coach that he hired. Good grief, you have a lot of nerve criticizing Mike Shula as an OC when he have not watched the Panthers play this year and you did not even know that he has been Cam Newton's coach all along.

Red Gorilla 09-19-2013 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9991299)
Right? I mean, that's what I've been told by numerous people on this forum.

The QB need for them is now pretty damn dire, but they shouldn't draft one just to draft one. Only if he's the right guy!

They can't afford another busted QB, right?

Right?
Bridgewater is a sure thing. I think your problem is talent evaluation. He was never ranked as a 3rd round pick before the season started. Everyone knew he was a sure thing last year. He's a prospect like Luck and Clowney. There is a huge difference between Bridgewater and the 2012 class. Also, you can bet your ass this all about Bridgewater. Why does the whole world know the owner went to watch Manziel in September?

Red Gorilla 09-19-2013 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9991299)
Right? I mean, that's what I've been told by numerous people on this forum.

The QB need for them is now pretty damn dire, but they shouldn't draft one just to draft one. Only if he's the right guy!

They can't afford another busted QB, right?

Right?
Bridgewater is a sure thing. Your problem is talent evaluation imo.

WhiteWhale 09-19-2013 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9991330)
I wouldn't count out the possibility of them trading for Cam Newton in the offseason.

Rivera's a goner and Gettleman and the new HC will likely want their own guy.
I don't see Newton being dealt unless he totally tanks the season and plays like dog shit.... or has some bizarre of the field issues.

He'll probably be part of the package the new coach will be required by the owner to take on.

RealSNR 09-19-2013 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Gorilla (Post 9993599)
Bridgewater is a sure thing. He's a prospect like Luck and Clowney.
But can he tackle as well as Brandon Siler?

Red Gorilla 09-19-2013 02:12 PM
? :hmmm:

Probably?! LOL

He's the shit.

ChiefsCountry 09-19-2013 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9992403)
Because Carl Petersons 5 year plan is working so well?
:banghead:

Frosty 09-19-2013 02:14 PM
Did anyone else have this thread break after KC Lee's post? It would stop there even with new posts. Now that the thread is on a new page (for me), it's working again.

Red Gorilla 09-19-2013 02:16 PM
Yes Frosty, it is still kind of happening to me....

jettio 09-19-2013 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9993694)
Did anyone else have this thread break after KC Lee's post? It would stop there even with new posts. Now that the thread is on a new page (for me), it's working again.
Probably due to quoting a post with a video and then inserting another video.

Does not look like the new video is worth watching but maybe he could just post that without quoting the other post.

Bwana 09-19-2013 02:29 PM
Perhaps they can trade for Geno? :hmmm:

tooge 09-19-2013 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9991504)
Ill own being an asshole. Especially to a pillowbiter like you who deserves it.

Dane the baby back bitch.

In the Alex Smith threads, whining about 49er fans, Dane, the baby back bitch, crying about a BROWNS FAN, IN A BROWNS THREAD.

Go ahead slut face, cry some more will you?


WHHHAAAAAA. My name is Dane, and I don't know where the **** I am....

BOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I want my babybackbabybackbabybackbabybackbabyback....Chili's Babyback ribs.......

tooge 09-19-2013 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9991765)
"Don't just do it to do it."

THAT'S the language I disagree with. Post #127 just as easily shows that bringing in veterans and experienced backups is just as much of a crapshoot at righting the team's ship as it is to draft with the intent of finding your starting QB of the future.

Yes, you have to take into account a team's strengths and weaknesses. Yes, you have to be comfortable with the guy you're drafting. But generally, if you're in a position to decide if you should draft a franchise QB or not in the top 10, your team doesn't have very much going for it.

In Cleveland's case, there are some pieces to work with on defense. They have an offensive line. But they have no skill position players. And that's always kind of been their story. Veterans haven't turned shit around any more than their QB busts they've had.

So "don't do it just to do it" doesn't always safeguard against failure. And sometimes it's possible to put your team in an even DEEPER shit hole than it's already in if your safe non-QB isn't what you expected.
More importantly, you have to have some incredible luck as well. You have to have the number one pick when there is a QB that is worth taking at #1, like Manning or Luck. Or, you have to have an incredible streak of luck like the Patriots did, or the Rams did with Warner.

Neither of those teams thought they were getting HOF quarterbacks when they signed Brady and Warner, yet those two QB's have been in the superbowl a combined 6 times in the past 14 years, or almost half of the time (two against each other of course).

Bwana 09-19-2013 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9993124)
Can a mod see this post? I think KC Lee broke the thread with his Yakety Sax Youtube vid.
Yeah, that was a bitch to fix.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-19-2013 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9992660)
Had they traded for Alex Smith rather than drafting Weeden they wouldn't be in full rebuild mode this year.

They could contend for that division.
Sweet ****ing Christ already...:facepalm:

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9993260)
Tell ya what. Send us Bray, and we send you Mack........
Not a chance in hell.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-19-2013 05:55 PM
"Bridgewater"...:facepalm:

KC_Lee 09-19-2013 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 9993717)
Probably due to quoting a post with a video and then inserting another video.

Does not look like the new video is worth watching but maybe he could just post that without quoting the other post.
Sorry about that.

Namor40 09-19-2013 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Sannyasi (Post 9991355)
They should just draft whatever QB is there. I mean, it worked so well with Weeden.


LOL....and Brady Quinn...and Tim Couch. So many idiots putting up the fake straw man that just because people don't want a chitty QB such as Geno that they are advocating for not drafting QB's in the 1st round at all, as opposed to people simply recognizing that Geno is a sack of shit and will be out of the NFL in 4 seasons tops.


2014 is a far, far better year for QB's. I love Bridgewater as a prospect, I think he's the real deal, others like Tajh Boyd look to be the real deal as well. Chiefs will be able to get a better QB in the 2nd or 3rd round of this draft than any they could have gotten in the first round of this previous draft.


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