It's almost like the Niners/Kaep/Smith/Chiefs fan doesn't understand that we don't respect or need his opinion on anything.

Crazy how that works, huh?

I was going to add that our shiny new RT was a big part of our 3rd down issues.

Albert played horribly Thursday night as well. He ****ing lined up incorrectly twice which I have never seen, costing us good yardage.

Anyone that has the Thursday game recorded needs to go back and watch the offense.

LMAO

Denver is 2nd.

Really putting a kink in their offense, eh?

That's a defensed pass.

Eh, it's the best I could come up with on short notice. My synapses are firing a little off today.

ITS PROBABLY BECAUSE IM SO MAD. AS SOON AS I GET OFF HERE IM KICKING THE DOG AND DRIVING TO MY GRANDMAS HOUSE TO PUT HER IN THE STONE COLD STUNNER.

CP imitates life.

The one straight to a wide open JC that he dropped?

Yes, I see the link you posted. They are off by one target. Do you realize that your link is counting every throw towards Bowe, whether it's a good throw or not?

Dude I laughed, it was original.

17 targets, ZERO drops.

Who to believe - STATS, INC, the official stat service of the league, or Niner troll?

Tough one.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/p...d=8277&team=12

Oh yeah, right. No way Bowe could hang onto that one. Even the commentators called it a drop. :rolleyes:

Look, Bowe IS a good receiver, so I'll leave this bit alone. But you can not overlook that KC is 5th in drops as a team.

No, it's not.

Might help if that wasn't the only time we ran it.

Alex throws the ball based on percentage of completion and lowest risk.

If Bowe is open by 3 yards 15 yards deep and Charles is open by 8 in the flat who do you think he'll throw it to?

Wrong - Charles. The basic idea of the WCO is to complete the pass, gain yards, and put the onus on yards gained on the pass catcher and not the distance of the throw.

THAT IS STAMPED IN HIS DNA.

Yea I wouldn't call that pass a drop but it did hit him in the hands and was catchable.

Yet we convert 3rd and long more than 3rd and short.

Sure I can.

Because Denver is dropping a higher percentage of Manning passes, and they haven't missed a beat.

Next excuse, please.

yep.. runs out of shotgun failed mostly. Guess JC is shit then? :rolleyes:

It just makes me sick that this loud-mouth, jersey pointin' good for nothing is out there with stone hands; when our QB has been feeding him beautiful passes!

Here's a quick quiz for our CP friends following along at home:

Do you hate Dwayne Bowe?

1. Yes
2. No

If you answered yes, then you're bad at watching football and should take up a more engaging activity; like finger painting or trying to find bunny shapes in the clouds.

Relative to the Eagles game almost ALL those throws were short of the sticks and the reciever/pass cacher made the play.

One play by Avery was almost 10 yards short of the 1st...

I just looked it up.

3rd and 2 or less to go we have converted 1 out of 6 attempts.

Thats pathetic. We should be at least 80% on those plays.

You can put me on that bus as well.

I will never understand why people care as long as the play worked.

I watch every team in the league throw the ball underneath on 3rd and long. Every team does it. You know why? The defense is guarding against the deep pass. Thats why most deep passes are on early downs.

Furthermore watch the game again and on that first one Smith had a millisecond to get rid of the ball to Avery who got the 1st on 3rd and 17. He couldn't have thrown down field if a guy was running wide open.

No time whatsoever.

WHY CANT YOU GUYS JUST BE HAPPY???????

There's a seat open next to mine.
And I snuck a bottle in...

Is anyone fine with that? I have yet to read here where its fine to lose in the playoffs.

Where is this coming from? Who is advocating that? What a bunch of dumb asses they must be.

I remember in 2010 when we lost in the playoffs to Baltimore and I was like, man at least we tried. That was fun.

Oh wait, no I got ****ing pissed off like hell and it ruined my whole week.

So because of that I cant enjoy being 3-0?

3rd and 2 or less - AS is completing 33%

3rd and 8 or less - 47%.

51% on 3rd down period.

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It's so true!

every measure other than the most significant one... Turnovers

This short bus will be filled up in no time.

I CALL BACKSEAT!!!

3rd and 8-10 he is 60% averaging 10.6 yards.

2nd and 6+ he is converting 69%.

Yada yada yada.

You think that is worse than 1-6 on 3rd and 2 or less running?

Remember when the Chiefs went 9-0 in 2003, and there was a steady supply of healthy criticism for the defense that was only a slight improvement over the exceptionally putrid 2002 form?

God, the bitching. And I'm not talking about the people who were critical of the defense. I mean the people who were bitching about the people bitching about the defense. Guess what? It's the same thing here. People in 2003 were outright PISSED and appalled that some people could find fault with the Vermeil 9-0 team when they were still undefeated. I see the same thing happening here. The defense is good. We got it. Within the first few days after the Philly game, we had posted every ball-washing blog and media source available that heaped praises on our defense. There's really not much more to say about this defense and how good it is that hasn't already been said before (unless you're Sorter and want to collaborate with GoChiefs on breaking down all the different formations).

Meanwhile, the offense IS a piece of shit right now, and coming up with possible solutions and ways we can improve and WHY we need to improve are the hot topic issues. That's just the way it goes.

If you don't have that, what's this forum? What the **** is it? What does this forum look like in the Utopian CP Society mind of "just enjoy the ride" fan? I'll tell you what it looks like:

"3-0! WOOOO!"

"JAMAAL CHARLES! WOOO!"

"JUSTIN HOUSTON! WOOO!"

"I HATE DENVER! WOOO!"

The conversation was about Smith passing intermediate/deep and my argument was he'll always take the less risky (which tends to be the shorter) completion.

He responded with the "3rd and long" numbers.

My point would be that Alex didn't do anything different: after the catch players made plays.

I really don't care about "how" plays are made I'm simply pointing out predicable patterns in Smith's play.

Biggest difference is 3rd down conversions. Alex and avery can move those chains.

We need to throw down field more but I don't expect it on 3rd down.

Was waiting patiently for this bullshit.

I love the attitude that because he's not turning the ball over, it's OK to not be able to score.

Geno Smith. 6 INT's.

YOU CAN'T WIN TURNING THE BALL OVER.

Drew Brees. 4 INT's.

YOU CAN'T WIN TURNING THE BALL OVER.

Matt Schaub. 4 INT's.

YOU CAN'T WIN TURNING THE BALL OVER.

Jay Cutler. Andy Dalton.

YOU CAN'T WIN TURNING THE BALL OVER.

Also, since when does going 2-14 the year before mean you're obligated to shut your ****ing trap when the team starts out well the following season?

Aberrations aside, it's STILL a 2-14 team that was in Kansas City just 9 months ago. There's still shit that sucks wastewater about this team. All some fans are doing is saying work needs to be done. It's only when douchetards like MacNinersChiefs storm in to defend this garbage offense with sophistry and bullshit that things get ugly, and the critical fans are forced into a corner that looks like they're being too hard on the team.

And YAC is going to drop when the Chiefs face better defenses... (it was not very high against Dallas, which is probably the best D KC has played, but not THAT special).

This is exactly like 2009, just the opposite side of the ball. The difference now is that the offense, at least on paper, is much more talented than the defense that year.

Anywho, there's nothing in this article or this thread that hasn't been said here a thousand times in the last month. The offense is struggling, and the offense will be the team's downfall if they don't come together. 3-0 is great, and it's really satisfying to see a team in Kansas City that finds ways to win, rather than ways to lose.

Pair that kind of team psychology with a top defense, and an offense that's even just adequate - middle-of-the-pack, run of the mill, not bottom-of-the-barrel like now - and this is a team that can be a contender to not just compete for a wild card or even the division, but can actually win playoff games.

And that's why we "negative" people are so passionate about the offense improving. Because we can see that. We believe that the offense can be more than it is, even with a limited centerpiece like Alex Smith.

They should be more than they are. And we want them to be. Because we're fans.

And we should probably revisit this thread about once a month just to see how the progress is going.

2 things - the 2003 defense was good through 8 games. Mazlowski got hurt and it went downhill fast. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not.

Yea the offense needs work. It needs to fix 3rd and short and stop the dumbass penalties.

6 OL penalties last week. 6.

I will argue that points are more important

In all fairness what good does the bitching do? We're stuck with Alex Smith this year for sure, so enjoy the ride please. I know even if we make the playoffs, we probably won't go far. I wanted GENO as much as the next guy, but I am fully behind our team. I am somewhat happy we haven't extended AS contract at least, so that shows we're at least in wait and see mode thus far yes? We are 3-0 and although it may look flimsy it feels a lot better than last year. Ok everyone feel free to resume your bitchfest. :D

Great post, Keg.

To the bolded point - I mentioned something similar earlier. This team has a chance to be special, but only if the offense gets it shit's together.

Right now, the defense is allowing 11 PPG.

The defense and kicking game ALONE are scoring 10 PPG.

They are getting away with it, but it's not going to happen forever.

What does this thread/discussion have to do with Geno Smith, why do you think that anyone involved in it isn't "fully behind our team" and why does open, honest discussion have to be labeled as a "bitchfest"?

I don't like this subject much.

Game situation dictates playcalling quite a bit. You don't just go out and take shots to score points just to say you scored points on a drive if you've already got the lead.

The Berry pick 6 in Philly put the Chiefs up 10 points. Obviously youre not going to have super aggressive playcalls offensively with that. Why would you force the ball down field, maybe make a mistake, when you already have a 2 score advantage?

Keep in mind that this is the worst team in the league from last year, and we're running a brand new offense. Generally, this is a recipe for horrible starts, but thanks to the defense, and thanks in huge part to our quarterback not giving the football up, we're 3-0.

In the Cowboys game, and the Eagles game, when the chips were down and the offense had to stay on the football field, they did. Alex drove the team right down the field an answered the Cowboys with a TD to Bowe in the second half. Then another big drive for the FG to put us up scores.

That drive in the 4th quarter against the Eagles from the 5 yard line? Nails. That was a clock destroying, point scoring drive.

Offense isn't just about points. Its about killing the clock and keeping the other team incabable of putting up points of their own because their offense is riding the pine.

The O is good enough to be 3-0. They haven't peaked, and they will get better as the season goes on. That O-line certainly cant get much worse.

Also I have to point out this offense has only been together for 3 games, it will get better over time. How much? I don't know but at least Smith seems to absorb things fairly quickly.

EXACTLY.

Which is why all those teams are still winning, even with committing the so-called deadly turnover.

You think fans in Chicago or NO are sweating the fact their QB's are on pace to throw an INT a game?

**** no - they know it doesn't matter, because their QB can also light up the scoreboard.

I'm absolutely reeruned happy that after spending almost all my vacation days to have 3 day weekends (giving me all Chiefs games off) we've turned the corner from putrid to respectable.

And that is where we are. We are not a complete team yet.
To expect perfection in year one because of the current record is just stupid.
After 3 weeks I fully expect 10-6 and a playoff game (that we will lose.)

And after that happens I'll be ****ing screaming mad.

2 days after that I'll remember that this is YEAR ONE of rebuilding a fan-chise....

from 2-14 to winning playoff games with a new coaching staff.

sounds realistic.

It only cycles into "bitching" when truefans/Smith ballwashers start digging into their excuse books for every critique of the offense or Alex Smith. Or when people tell us to just enjoy the ride. Or when people say the current state of the offense IS good enough to win in the playoffs.

Chicago.

San Diego.

Philly.

All teams with new offensive philosophies, coaches and majority of new OLmen.

Also, all teams scoring 26+ PPG.

No excuses.

I get the sense that alot of Chiefs fans (not on this board) would be satisfied just making the playoffs this year. Maybe I am wrong...

IMHO Andy Reid and Alex Smith weren't brought here for a rebuild job, this is a win-now job so that is what I expect.

Simple answer is the offensive line play needs to improve and eliminate the holds, false starts, and illegal formations they are being called for. Also these backup TE's havent done the best job blocking either.

Well many of the "haters" were fully on the Draft Geno bandwagon. I was there as well. we really wanted a different QB to learn the system as a rookie and we were willing to go through the growing pains. The coaching staff went a different route and like it or not this is a short passing version of martyball. Most will hate that and although it isn't flashy or great it's exactly what Clark wanted to get the "True Fans" back on board.

That's a simple answer: Philadelphia is a team that can score quickly. You never take your foot off the gas. Particularly not early in the game.

And the truth is that we didn't take our foot off the gas. Unless the theory is that the offense was failing to execute the plays called by design.

Herm Edwards killed the happiness.

All of those teams also retained the same QB.

10 and 6 with a first round playoff loss is what I predicted as soon as they traded for Alex Smith. Life is good and the stadium is full!

We've never had our foot ON the gas.

Are you the one with the bisexual wife/girlfriend because that would make the trip more entertaining.

Looks pretty good to me. I think with a little more time it will become more efficient. Patience!

http://youtu.be/eZBVOi-zLwg

Good post and you gave credit were it was due :thumb:

Who had to learn a new system with new coaches and linemen, just like Smith.

Your point?

Lets fly a banner

I'm not sure why this is so hard for some to understand. Be excited for 3-0, I am. But be realistic that the offense (as a whole) is horrible and needs a lot of work.

THERE'S ROOM ON MY LAP!!1!1!!

I expected this in YEAR ONE.

I don't expect this year's team to be the norm.

And I think we'll upgrade the "QB surroundings" until we draft a QB (which I fully expect to happen.)

I don't expect it to be a QB this draft (2014) either...

At least those guys had familiarity with their playmakers or skill positions.

Bray could be the future.

Can we just throw a 9'er fan off the top of Arrowhead instead?

FYP.

LMAO Yep. But she's not gonna be there, she has ER duty.

I can't wait until we play a team and our offense sputters the entire game. There will be some ****ing douche on this BB that blames the DEF for not keeping them in the entire game and only allowing 3 points.

I was on the Geno bandwagon, too. But I knew as far back as January that it wasn't going to happen, and while I was disappointed we chose not to go that way, he stopped being a relevant topic for this team at the end of April, once he became a Jet. Now he has absolutely no bearing on how the Chiefs offense is executing now. He's certainly not relevant to this discussion in any way.

Speaking just for myself, I don't think I've even mentioned him in a thread on my own volition in weeks, if not months. I will respond if he's brought into a discussion, and I will continue to keep a curious eye on his progress, but to be honest I don't even think about the guy unless somebody else brings him up.

I'm sure my perception is biased, but from where I'm sitting it sure seems like the anti-Geno people bring him up a LOT more than any of his fans on the site do. It's like they can't let a sleeping dog lie. Just random interjections in the middle of conversations that have nothing to do with him. With some obvious exceptions (the geno vs alex thread, etc. - I have those ignored, so I don't know what's going on there, I'm just talking in general).

I wish they'd just let it go, to be honest.

Gotcha on the Geno thing, do you agree on the Passing version of Martyball thing though? I mean we pretty much knew it was coming.

So could me winning a $200k scratchers ticket.

I have more problems with Bray as a person than as an athlete/QB...

It's mainly the people who refuse to state their opinion during draft time. They love to come in during the season and shit on anybody who actually had an opinion.

Question: when she has to jam the catheter in a male does she feel empathy or joy?...

Damn, I was getting ready to install the stripper pole and everything.

What do you have against him?

It's also the people who dislike Clay.

They argue the poster, instead of the post, say something stupid - and then others get involved.

Before you know it, it's a free for all and the Clay bashers have turned the argument into something completely different.

Yeah, but I think it's Martyball by execution, not Martyball by design. I think Andy Reid wants an offense that sustains drives and scores points. There's no doubt in my mind about that. To borrow a phrase from someone earlier in the thread, I don't think he's any more satisfied than I am with an offense that has 1 or 2 good drives a week and 10 bad ones.

Almost forgot the obligatory.....


I've got an ER..........IN MY PANTS!!!1!!11!