I am fine with Carr.

I think people associate him too much with his brother. He is as different from his brother as Aaron Rodgers is from Jordan...

Next to Logan Thomas, he has one of the biggest arms in this draft...

What happens if we draft Carr and then they bring in David Carr to be the #3 and Bray is cut?

Naw...we get rid of butt-chin's silly contract and Tomahawk loves our QB depth.

Seriously? :spock:

We draft a QB this year and let Alex walk after 2014. Said rookie has had a year on the bench and takes over. Andy Reid is his coach, and he's got Jamaal Charles.

That = 4-12?

I like Alex Smith too, but you're drastically overselling his importance to this team.

Drafting QBs is scary! WHAT IF WE LOSE GAMES??

No. Alex Smith is Jesus's step brother. He is our savior, our messiah, OUR MORMON.

If we got Derek Carr in a trade down and accumulated more picks that's a ****ing win

Keep signing over the hill veterans as always

Yeah...but in what scenario is that going to happen?

Jamaal Charles makes any QB better. A lot better. Smith is replaceable, you people act like a middle of the road guy cant be replaced? And he has only been middle of the road for the past couple of years, before that he has shown propensity for injury and suckage.

Let him go if he wont re-sign at a middle of the road contract. Condon 'set the market' with Cutler for way too much for a pedestrian QB. Lets not get fleeced like Chicago.

Thing is I don't think a trade down is possible unless KC is willing to get hosed in value.

Giving up 1.23 for anything less than a 2.1 - 2.16 and a 2.23 - 3.10 isn't worth it IMHO.

This is just smokescreen shit. It's the chiefs. They'll bend over for Smith. Pass on a QB like always

I'm not seeing a scenario in which we would be able to trade down AND still draft Carr.

Bye

trade him up while he's cheap!

Derek Carr says teams tell him they’d like to pick him in the 20s

Posted by Michael David Smith on May 4, 2014, 7:47 PM EDT


Former Fresno State quarterback Derek Carr says teams are telling him they’d like to draft him somewhere with a pick in the 20s on Thursday night.

One team with a pick in the 20s in this year’s draft, Cleveland at No. 26, is reportedly interested in Carr. But the team that picks Carr might be a team that trades into the pick: According to John Clayton of ESPN, Carr says four or five teams have told him they would like to trade into the 20s to draft him.

It wouldn’t be surprising to see a team with a high second-round pick trade up into the 20s to take Carr there. The new Collective Bargaining Agreement makes drafting a player in the late first round preferable to the early second round in one key respect: First-round picks have fifth-year options on their contracts, whereas second-round picks become free agents after four years. That means that if Carr develops into a franchise quarterback, the team that drafts him gets an extra year before having to break the bank to lock him up with a long-term extension. (With Colin Kaepernick wanting $18 million a year or more on his next deal, San Francisco may wish it had traded up and taken him late in the first round of the 2011 NFL draft, instead of trading up to take him early in the second, so that it would have a fifth-year option on his rookie deal.)

Carr’s stock seems to be rising as the draft approaches, and there’s now a lot of talk that he’ll be drafted higher than former Louisville quarterback Teddy Bridgewater. There’s a good chance that after Johnny Manziel and Blake Bortles, Carr will be the third quarterback off the board, perhaps in the late first round.

Wow lets not get ridiculous with our demands or anything. You must not want to trade down with thinking that pick has that kind of value.

According to the chart the 1.23 is worth less in points than the 2.1 and 3.10. So thinking that you can get both of those other 2cds is not likely. Maybe if you drop the 3rd rounder they might give a little extra and give the 2.23, but there is going to have to be a particular player that team wants.

If we re-sign Smith, it will be Aaron Murray in the 4th.

If we don't... welcome to Kansas City, Jimmy Garoppolo.

Our best bet is someone like the Vikings or Jaguars wanting to trade back into the 1st to get him.

This has to be just posturing. This is a dream job for Smith. He'd be a moron to start all over somewhere.

I think you can disregard the draft chart with the depth this class has. You can semantically conceptualize it anyway you want, but I think that this year the quality of players available gives the early second round slots first round value.

So then you think the difference between the quality of players will be minimal but want compensation as if there was a huge drop off.

That's exactly the point. No one is giving up that much value for the #23 pick.

The QB needy team in this scenario would be looking to get AHEAD of the Chiefs, not trade WITH them.

This Paylor guy is a dumbass.

According to Jason LaConfora, the Rams and Vikings have discussed a Sam Bradford trade.

Yep. I heard dome draft talking head today say its about 40 deep with 1st round level talent compared to 25 or so last year.

Why? Bridgewater is the LAST one of the so-called better QB's Id want.

Who is ahead of him for you?

The Vikings re-signed Cassel for 2 years, 10 million. If they're now trying to acquire Bradford, I wonder if Cassel isn't a part of the deal. They are also paying 1.7 million to Ponder. That's a lot of dough to be spending on shitty QBs.

I wonder if Cassel would get traded to the Rams in that proposed deal. Something like the Vikings swap Cassel for Bradford and also throw in a mid-round pick. St. Louis then drafts their QB at #2 and hold an open competition in training camp for the starting job.

Otherwise it just doesn't make much sense for the Vikings to acquire Bradford. They need to draft another QB. They don't need a guy who is barely better than what they have on their roster right now.

Agreed. Snag a 3rd and 5th round pick to go along with that early 2nd

This is why Smith hasn't signed. He's not stupid. He'll sign a big contract now, a team friendly contract if we don't pick high, and play this year out if we do.

Philadelphia wants a WR. Make someone trade with the Eagles, we have another WR option drop to us. Chiefs aren't sending a message they aren't confident in Smith so that they can get a QB. If they did want to, they'd be talking up WRs or say nothing and get their guy.

Manziel, Bortles, Carr, Geroppolo (sp?) are all ahead of Bridgewater IMO. Not 100% positive Id draft Geroppolo ahead of him but absolutely certain I would the first 3 on this list.

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What's to stop Condon from seeing absolutely nothing behind Smith on the depth chart and then saying, "You can have my client for this amount of money or you can have Chase Daniel. Your choice."

"You can start for the Chiefs or play one year and go to the Raiders."

Nothing.

Do it Condon! I ****ing triple dog dare you! DO IT!

EDIT: I take that back. Dorsey would probably cave like a bitch. DONT DO IT!

Speaking of Daniel, who is HIS agent???

Judging by his last contract, I'd say it was Satan himself.

Unleash the dragon

I am indifferent to him. We aren't winning a super bowl with him at QB, so I don't really care if he leaves.

You'd think he would thrilled to be here and sign a reasonable deal that is team friendly. He would have been sitting his ass on the bench if not for us. I can roll with Bray in year three.

This guy:

Which draft prospects are being represented by Condon this year?

Haven't figured that out, but he also reps Dontari Poe...

:hmmm:

I'd laugh my ass off if after we all threw a fit with not drafting a QB last year they actually do this year with a better crop of QB's to choose from...:D

Then we trade Alex Smith to Jacksonville for two second round picks.

Rap Sheet: Talks With Alex Smith Not Progressing Well
 

I'm a bit late to the party and I'm not reading through all this bullshit; but if we're talking about trading Smith, I don't see why we couldn't get a 1st for him.

I bet a team like the Browns with a late first that's hard up for solid QB play would definitely pull the trigger.

I'm not a big Bray guy, but Bray?

I think Smith will fight for length and guaranteed. The average could be low if the guaranteed is high. Smith was reportedly upset that his last contract took so long, but it turned out to be dragging feet for Manning (same agent as Smith). Agent knew of the interest from SF. They changed the structure of the contract offer after Manning chose Denver.

Unfortunately for the Chiefs, they wouldn't gain anything by trading with themselves.

Won Indy Playoff game = Must have Smith back

Lost Playoff game = Don't give a ****


Even though he played great, this is what I am thinking now.

He basically did win that game.

Then your boys on the chopping block should be Houston, Hali, Berry, Johnson, Poe, etc., because it was the defense that basically shit the money bed in that game. Our vaunted pass rushing linebackers and All-Pro nose tackle didn't do jack shit against a Colts offensive line that was abused all season. They got their collective asses kicked by a bunch of tomato cans.

You want to not give a shit, then there is where you can start not giving a shit versus the quarterback that basically shouldered the team for the whole game even when the team's best offensive weapon (Charles) went out with injury.

Your thought process needs to be reassessed.

Offseason. My Give-a-**** level is at it's lowest point right now.

Who cares, he's still under contract. If it doesn't happen this offseason and he plays well then it will happen next season. If he has success this year I highly doubt he would sign anywhere else. It might drive his price up but he wouldn't go anywhere.

You'd have to imagine another shitty franchise would be willing to drop a late 1st for some stability at the QB position. Maybe next year's first.

16 million per is less than what Smith wants.

Mine may be negative at the moment.

This is the same kind of thinking as people blaming Trent Green for losing the playoff game against the Colts. If Green and Smith got to play against the Chiefs defense, you wouldn't be making this post.

I mean they have to get at least ONE extension done between Houston and Smith. If they go through the season playing hardball and don't get at least one done and have 2 guys for 1 franchise tag, holy **** I don't want to be the person having to make that decision. And I'd honestly probably tag Houston and let Smith walk.

Agreed. Just as an example, Russel Wilson won a playoff game where he was basically horrible the entire game. 9/18 for 108 yards I think?

Team game. there are a ton of intangibles that go into winning a game.
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The front 7 didn't lose that game.

And right now Houston is our MVP on defense...

no Johnson is

I don't care if anyone gets an extension done other than Houston.

He is, by far, the most COMPLETE OLB in the NFL.

Bar none.

He's excellent in coverage, rushing the passer, and tackling.

In his pass rush he's not a 1 trick pony like Hali. He's got the strength to emasculate T's and FB's.

He's a ****ing clinic on what you need to do to be a successful 3-4 OLB...

as usual we're being trolled by our own team during the offseason

OH LOOK DORSEY AND REID ARE PAYING SUCH CLOSE ATTENTION TO GENO

Agreed he is a key piece on this defense...no doubt

That doesn't change the fact that Condon is asking for way too much money for his client. And we honestly shouldn't give it to him.

they're going to paint themselves into a corner if they let both Alex Smith and Justin Houston start the season in contract years. If they both have career years (and they should) then that is a major strike against the FO.

How do you know this? I haven't seen a number.

http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-...medium=twitter

A quarterback for the Chiefs?

If the Kansas City Chiefs believe a quarterback is the best player available to them when they pick 23rd in the first round of the NFL draft on Thursday, then they should take him. Absolutely. I'm signing on to that idea here and now. It's never a bad idea to draft a quarterback, if the team that selects him truly believes he will eventually become a great one.

It's a horrible idea to draft one for any other reason, even need. This is precisely why it's troubling if the Chiefs are considering selecting a quarterback in the first round, which according to Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network, they are. Negotiations with starting quarterback Alex Smith on a long-term contract extension aren't going well and, Rapoport says, the Chiefs would consider drafting Smith's replacement because of it.

I'm having trouble getting my arms around this one. One minute the Chiefs consider Smith their long-term solution at quarterback and they want to sign him to the extension, as chairman Clark Hunt has said. The next they're ready to find his successor?

This isn't how Hunt, general manager John Dorsey and coach Andy Reid wanted to operate the Chiefs. They have a long-term plan they will adjust as they see fit, but not because they're having trouble signing a key player 10 months before he's scheduled to become a free agent.

That type of move smells not of anything in a long-term plan, but of panic. Make no mistake, if the Chiefs draft a quarterback based on what they believe will be a need next year, that's a panic move. They made a commitment to Smith by trading for him last year and they're ready to scrap him at the first sign of trouble?

And if they panic on this, it follows the Chiefs will panic on other things to come. If they do that, don't plan on another Super Bowl for the Chiefs for a lot of years to come.

No, the Chiefs need to continue to build their team the best way they see fit, regardless of where they are in their negotiations with Smith. If a quarterback is available to the Chiefs on Thursday, they should take him if they believe he's going to be great.

If not and he's merely Plan B in case they can't re-sign Smith, forget about it. Move on to another player at another position.

I get it now: If the Chiefs are looking to draft a QB in the 1st, they are "Panicking".

The media can go fist itself. **** them.

EVEN BETTER.



ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

well all except for the winning part

Yeah that was a little over the top. But overall I have to agree parts of that article. Dorsey and Co. gave up 2 2cd round draft picks for Smith. The bill isn't even paid yet and we might go another direction. If that ends up being the case Dorsey has made a lot of mistakes right out of the gate. If we draft a QB in round 1 then Smith should be released/not extended. There is no way we should be resigning Smith to a contract that is going to pay him 15-18 mil and pay a 1st round QB to set on the bench for the few/several years. That would be a waste of valuable resources that could and would be better suited somewhere else on the team.

Imagine how bad it would have been if Alex Smith didn't have the best playoff game, statistically, that a Chiefs QB has ever had!

Released? Trade him.

I know!

He will be a FA. This is the last year of Smiths deal. Unless you want to franchise tag him.....

Great smoke screen here. Thursday is gonna be off da chain!