Because this team keeps starting players who play bad.

Bad play leads to losses.

I DON'T LIKE LOSING.

Clark might not mind but I'm sick of it.

We know players like Cooper, Alex, and Fish aren't good enough. Period. They suck. People make mistakes - no GM is perfect.

Move on. Don't compound the mistake by refusing to admit it's a problem...

One is a 6th round pick who is starting one year after playing in the Canadian league. The other is the 1st overall pick who has played like a shit going on 3 years now.

I agree with your gif statement. But he had more than just one bad play. He was terrible.

This. And I think with Fisher, the move to RT is part of that process. It's his last chance to stick and make some type of contribution.

Both were. LDT was worse though. That guy does not need to be starting. He's in way over his head.

I did. The deal is friend is I TRUST my OWN eyes. Don't know WTF you saw?

Below is why PFF is a rag and why Fisher receiving a slightly positive grade is total BS.

I got a kick out of listening to Gruden talk about how bad this O-line was. It was nice to hear the guys blowing plays be held accountable.

Maybe we can get a return on Fisher by switching him to parking lot duty?

He was spot on about Fisher, "Having to do much better" and that he really has been a "disappointment" since being drafted # 1 overall by KC and ,"That's just not gonna get it done."

:thumb: yep and his comments for the Chiefs, Ace players in the secondary were spot on as well.

Yeah, earth-shattering. What's next? Water is wet? :)


These clowns didn't even know until later in the game that Sean Smith was part of the team.

Yep. Then didn't Torico call him Scott Smith at first? Or was it Gruden who called him that?

You know it is really bad when Gruden is saying something negative. Grubbs spent more time on his back last night than a cheap Vegas hooker.

Eh, he may possibly be a nice addition for the next and proper QB. We'll see.

At least this is somewhat of a silver lining.

@PFF_NateJahnke: OTs who have yet to allow a sack or hit this year: Joe Thomas, Jake Matthews, Donald Penn, Trent Williams, Eric Fisher and Andrew Whitworth

I thought he played well yesterday

What's his PFF grade for the year?

Fisher has been the only Chiefs Olineman that hasn't had his ass kicked the past 2 weeks.

Morse is getting turned in circles with stunts and thrown off the ball by bull rushes, Larry the French sucks as bad as I thought he did in preseason, Grubbs has been baffling...maybe it's being between a center that doesn't know what he's doing and a left tackle who smiles and laughs when he gives up sacks.

False - watch the play @ 1:20

He posted a PFF "statistic".

They arbitrarily assign blame for sacks. It's likely that they faulted Alex Smith.

It's coming off a stunt. The way that should have gone was, had Fulton not got beat like a drum, RG slides off and passes to Fish, while RG picks up the end.

Fish was trying to make the best of a bad situation.

I bet they put that on Fulton for allowing the initial pressure that forced Smith up into Fisher's guy.

On the first sac of the day from Michael Johnson, Grubbs literally turned around as he was running past him to go help Fish.

That was infuriating. Would've been a big play if Grubbs just stayed.

It seems like these guys don't know their assignments

Which is not really even about talent.

Unless we've signed a bunch of stupid players then there is something wrong with our coaching or system. Same thing goes for lack of effort and/or commitment from the players. We have too many problems not tied to talent.

If a player can't run fast enough or isn't strong enough to make the play, that's one thing. When players don't know what to do or aren't giving full effort then there is something wrong and changes need to be made.

+3.2 overall

+4.7 pass block
-2.1 run block
+0.6 penalty

He received a positive grade against Cinci.

Fisher is one of 5 tackles in the NFL to not give up a sack or a pressure

His run blocking will come around, he's good in the running game. Getting switch to another position again probably has him off a little.

PFF has Fisher at 0 sacks allowed, 0 QB hits allowed, and 4 hurries allowed.

Fisher is the least of their worries.

The guard spots are still an unmitigated disaster.

Pretty sure Bob Dole saw him whiff on a sack Sunday...

And even then it's just RG. Wtf is Andy doing pulling Grubbs from LG over to block a DE on the right side on a mother****ing pass play?

A lot of this shit is just stupid coaching putting players in a bad position.

Are we really going to turn a thread about Fisher starting on game into a Fisher megathread? If this thread pops up again I swear I will turn it into an Alex Smith thread.

It all comes back to the fact that they don't have an adequate right guard or right tackle.

Stephenson can't play right tackle, no one can play right guard and Fisher is being wasted at right tackle.

It's a cluster****.

What do you mean they don't have an adequate RT?

As of right now, Fisher is our best Olineman. If he can stop with the penalties then he is more than adequate at right tackle. Fisher is a better RT than Stephenson is an LT. If Fisher didn't have a mess at RG he would probably be even better(just like when Swartz took over RG).

Looks like by the end of the season Morse is going to be our 2nd best lineman.

Grubb has been a disappointment. Stephenson is what he is, don't think he gets much better.

You know, if they just drafted Gabe Jackson, John Miller, Russell Okung, Jake Fisher and resigned Rodney Hudson like I wanted, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Just saying...

I meant they don't have an adequate "true" right tackle. Fisher is playing right tackle because Stephenson, nor anyone else, is adequate at Rt.

Mitch Morse>$9 million dollar Hudson and Jake Fisher

The Chiefs need to spend some money on a legit RT in FA, draft a G in the 2nd rd and then leave it alone so they can gain chemistry

Stephenson is a free agent and they are going to want Fisher to take a pay cut.

Grubbs also gets a big pay raise next year in his contract, jumps up like 5 million per or something.


we could have 3 guys to replace again next year

Fisher's money is fully guaranteed. But I know of a way that they can not worry about him affecting Sundays.

I doubt Stephenson gets extended. I would expect Fisher to go LT and Allen to go to RT. So the line won't feel too much different next year.

As I said in another post, I think we have to prepare for this team to transition to a pocket QB. If they do, I'd suggest KC diverts some defensive dollars into beefing up the OL.

That it most certainly is...

Notwithstanding PFFs questionable grading system, Fisher has been playing well.

would you take a 6th for fisher?

You can stop this bullshit talk right now.

Everyone who is anyone knows that this isn't true. PFF stats only work when they are in favor of ideological, dogmatic negativistic rants on players CP squeaky wheels don't like.

The dead money isn't worth a wipe your ass draft pick. Take the sunk cost and hope he turns his shit around.

It's not like he's killing Canadian hookers.

if they trade him there isn't dead money, which is why i suggested the trade

Are you unable to use your eyes?

Or are you another epic dipshit that comments on the Chiefs nine months out of the year but doesn't watch all 16 games each season?

There's $4.3 million in dead money if the Chiefs were to cut Fisher in 2016.

It's not going to happen, anyway.

He might be far and away from the best tackle in the league, but he's far and away the best lineman on the Chiefs.

Dane what are your thoughts so far on Derrick Carr this year?

I think you should understand cap ramifications when it comes to trades a little better.

I didn't realize that. Shit is complex to understand

Yeah it's weird how it all works out.

Even without that, they are still best off letting him serve out the end of his deal to prove he can bring any form of a return on a bad bet.

You were asking me in another thread why I think your draft prowess is terrible.

You think Fisher has been bad this year?

You wanted Jackson in the first, Fisher in the first and Okung at 5.....and wanted us to give 10m per to Hudson.

Gimme a break.

Pussy still getting his ass whipped.

http://i.imgur.com/TEA3bxO.gif

God fisher is dogshit! Cut that bum. Id rather see Jah in there lol

What? And that would have been a bad thing comparatively?

Though Morse is playing well.

LT: Okung
LG: Jackson
C: Hudson
RG: Miller
RT: Jake Fisher

Looks pretty ****ing good actually.

This is the guy Fisher was blocking most of the game:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...bears-defense/

McPhee had a nice game. They moved him around across the entire defensive front and he was the one with the critical blocked field goal. Really looked good yesterday.

But...but...but... According to PFF he was our best lineman for the GB game. :rolleyes:

With all the glaring fail this year, Eric might slip under the radar.

Oh, he will not get away with shit.


The hornets nest has been shaken. There will be no player left unscathed.