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BleedingRed 07-12-2016 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12313248)
I certainly don't think Parker is better than Berry, but he's definitely the better value.

I can jive with that line of thinking

BleedingRed 07-12-2016 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12313249)
Eric Murray will be the next!

Who ever is responsible for our safteys deserves a raise

The Franchise 07-12-2016 10:46 PM

**** letting Berry go.

raybec 4 07-12-2016 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12313207)
Does associating his response with a disliked poster make the point less valid?

Yes

BleedingRed 07-12-2016 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12313257)
**** letting Berry go.

Its a bad idea for sure but, we can't be paying him 55+ either....

staylor26 07-12-2016 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12313257)
**** letting Berry go.

Unless he and/or his agent are just being completely unreasonable, you have to get a deal done.

ThaVirus 07-12-2016 10:49 PM

Hah. Yawn. I like Parker but that was a weak highlight film, honestly.

I'd suspect a 2015 Josh Mauga highlight reel would be more entertaining.

DaneMcCloud 07-12-2016 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 12313251)
Who ever is responsible for our safteys deserves a raise

Hint: It's a black guy.

DaneMcCloud 07-12-2016 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12313270)
Hah. Yawn. I like Parker but that was a weak highlight film, honestly.

I'd suspect a 2015 Josh Mauga highlight reel would be more entertaining.

ThaVirus highlights would be more interesting that Mauga's.

Well, maybe.

BlackOp 07-12-2016 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 12313247)
Some teams cant find one saftey, we have found 4-5 in recent memory if you add abdulla (spl?)

Dorsey has proven to be a ****ing wizard when it comes to finding Safeties, RBs and DL....

I dont think anyone wants Berry to go...I dont. I just dont think he is as good as the PR hype machine tells us...nor do I think the position is worth 11-12 million a year. He's worth 8 million based on his play...

TribalElder 07-13-2016 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12313278)
Dorsey has proven to be a ****ing wizard when it comes to finding Safeties, RBs and DL....

I dont think anyone wants Berry to go...I dont. I just dont think he is as good as the PR hype machine tells us...nor do I think the position is worth 11-12 million a year. He's worth 8 million based on his play...

Berry rally's the troops come game time

It gets hyped the **** up like Ray Lewis style

BlackOp 07-13-2016 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 12313307)
Berry rally's the troops come game time

It gets hyped the **** up like Ray Lewis style

Yeah..that's worth something for sure... but shouldn't make him the highest paid at his position when he's not the best at it. Hopefully Berry is honest enough to know he doesn't deserve to be the top payed SS in the NFL...Dorsey knows his playing value...and his emotive value to the locker room. Lets hope his agent doesn't **** it up...

ThaVirus 07-13-2016 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12313311)
Yeah..that's worth something for sure... but shouldn't make him the highest paid at his position when he's not the best at it. Hopefully Berry is honest enough to know he doesn't deserve to be the top payed SS in the NFL...Dorsey knows his playing value...and his emotive value to the locker room. Lets hope his agent doesn't **** it up...


Out of curiosity, who is the best then?

Berry's like a mix of Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor. He's certainly the most versatile safety in the league. He's probably the best open field tackler and box safety. He's high on the list in athleticism, INT return ability, and TE coverage. There really is no weakness in his game.

Mr. Laz 07-13-2016 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12313278)
Dorsey has proven to be a ****ing wizard when it comes to finding Safeties, RBs and DL....

Another reason to not overpay at those positions.

We can't go crazy and just think we can make do with anyone but making Berry the highest paid safety in NFL history is probably not a good idea.

Speaking of DL, i hope to hell that Britt 'nepotism' Reid doesn't **** it up.

SAUTO 07-13-2016 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12313181)
I was saying this several months ago: that Ron Parker did a better job at his position than Berry did in 2015, thus paying Berry big money for that level of performance would be horrible value. We have plenty of leaders on offense and defense that Berry's departure would hurt but would definitely not cripple us. We have drafted most of our needs and have locked up most important positions going into the 2016 draft. We will also have comp picks. Dorsey it sitting very, very well.

but you're a ****ing idiot so who gives a **** what you've said or think

staylor26 07-13-2016 03:39 PM

Rand Getlin
19m19 minutes ago
Rand Getlin ‏@Rand_Getlin
Absent a significant shift in the next two days, I’m told the #Chiefs and Eric Berry are unlikely to come to terms on a long-term deal.

Meatloaf 07-13-2016 03:51 PM

Interesting. It'd be foolish to break the bank for a safety.....even an All Pro safety. But, apparently Berry thinks he can get more elsewhere, so, play under the tag for a year, and then, go for it. I'd be good with that.

RunKC 07-13-2016 03:53 PM

Jason La Canfora

At this point would take some major movement for the Chiefs and Eric Berry to strike a long term deal by the deadline Fri

The Franchise 07-13-2016 03:55 PM

This is going to bite us in the ass.

Hammock Parties 07-13-2016 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12313020)
Berry will get his extension that makes him the highest paid safety in the NFL for a second time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12314203)
Rand Getlin ‏@Rand_Getlin
Absent a significant shift in the next two days, I’m told the #Chiefs and Eric Berry are unlikely to come to terms on a long-term deal.



lulz

BlackOp 07-13-2016 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12314219)
Jason La Canfora

At this point would take some major movement for the Chiefs and Eric Berry to strike a long term deal by the deadline Fri

If Dorsey thought he was worth it...this deal would have been done a while ago. He's a straight shooter...and has been right more than wrong. I wouldn't tie up a lot of guaranteed money on a player that just came off chemo...I would wait it out and make sure he is 100% healthy, long-term, first. It's a tough situation but KC has Poe's contract coming up...and he is more rare than a SS.

I think this is more about positional value and cap management than Berry as a person...if Berry is asking for a record deal after how KC supported him, that kind of sucks on his part. I dont think he holds out over it...

thabear04 07-13-2016 04:32 PM

Time to work on Poe deal if we can't get Berry to a long term contract.

DaneMcCloud 07-13-2016 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12314264)
If Dorsey thought he was worth it...this deal would have been done a while ago.

And people on CP said the same thing about Houston last year at this time.

That said, I'm fine with him playing on the tag and drafting his replacement in 2017.

RunKC 07-13-2016 04:43 PM

Rand Gettlin is also saying Von Miller is "seriously considering" sitting out and wouldn't be surprised if he did.

The media will say about anything to get attention.

I wouldn't worry about this unless it doesn't get done and it's past the deadline.

scho63 07-13-2016 04:51 PM

I expect that this will be Berry's last year with KC working on a franchised contract.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-13-2016 04:54 PM

Berry is just as overrated right now as he was 2 weeks ago.

BlackOp 07-13-2016 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12314290)
And people on CP said the same thing about Houston last year at this time.

That said, I'm fine with him playing on the tag and drafting his replacement in 2017.

I didn't...Houston was coming off 22 sacks and a plays a key position to make Sutton's D function.

Berry is a very good player and person...but he did get torched by Gronk on what became the winning TD. If he wants to be the highest paid..he has to make that play at that time in the game. It's what superstars do..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0USRASBHow

Hammock Parties 07-13-2016 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 12314314)
I expect that this will be Berry's last year with KC working on a franchised contract.

Absolutely. Either he puts up an 80-tackle, 15 PD, 5 INT year or he's gone to someone else at an exorbitant rate.

Someone is going to overpay for Eric Berry but it won't be the Chiefs.

staylor26 07-13-2016 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12314325)
Absolutely. Either he puts up an 80-tackle, 15 PD, 5 INT year or he's gone to someone else at an exorbitant rate.

Someone is going to overpay for Eric Berry but it won't be the Chiefs.

We all know it will be Pioli.

IowaChiefs83 07-13-2016 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12308075)
All depends on Berry's development at at the free/deep/coverage safety position. I doubt the Chiefs want to spend 10+ million for a box safety. I imagine Sutton wants a guy that can protect both sidelines deep so that he can blitz more. If Berry can do that then he will get his money. If not then they probably let him walk.


Let they crying begin.


http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/1...689.1436923739

RunKC 07-13-2016 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 12314314)
I expect that this will be Berry's last year with KC working on a franchised contract.

This is really hard to tell.

Dorsey has drafted said players replacement a year in advance. Seems like Poe would be more likely to leave per Dorsey's history here.

Red Dawg 07-13-2016 05:17 PM

What holds up contract in the NFL is guranteed money. He must want like 50 mil. That is too much when we have Fish and Poe. We need them more I think especially Fish. We drafted to maybe replace Poe.

Easy 6 07-13-2016 05:19 PM

Its an incredibly tough call, but I'm leaning towards Black Ops takes

Berry is an incredible person and story, but when all things are weighed out... is he really more important than Poe, is his position harder to fill?

I'm thinking no

That said, of course I want Eric back if there is any way possible... he brings an intangible heart and soul to the team. But as BO pointed out, its entirely reasonable for Dorsey to play out the string a little bit

Eric needs to understand the tenuous position he puts the organization in

Hammock Parties 07-13-2016 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12314341)
Dorsey has drafted said players replacement a year in advance. Seems like Poe would be more likely to leave per Dorsey's history here.

And we drafted safeties.

Red Dawg 07-13-2016 05:22 PM

Berry also was drafted the final year of the rookie big money so he had a large pay day already. If he wants to much and we have let Poe the walk then forget him.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-13-2016 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12314326)
We all know it will be the Raiders.

Fixed

Chiefshrink 07-13-2016 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12314355)
And we drafted safeties.

and potentially Poe's replacement.

Hammock Parties 07-13-2016 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 12314448)
and potentially Poe's replacement.

no we didn't

KChiefs1 07-13-2016 06:49 PM

Honored again tonight at the ESPY's.


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Hammock Parties 07-13-2016 06:50 PM

Raider colors

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnSVHPcUsAEjrNp.jpg

LOCOChief 07-13-2016 07:01 PM

Beautiful. The mans a stud. Honor and Legacy.

cabletech94 07-13-2016 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12314513)

you go to hell, and you diiiiiiiiiiie!

Chief Northman 07-13-2016 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12314513)

Here you go again.....
You just cannot resist can you?

Mother****erJones 07-13-2016 07:22 PM

Meh. I'll wait til the deadline before I get all up in arms about it. Last year people and media didn't know if Houston would get his deal done. I think it gets done last minute but maybe that's me being hopeful. I don't see Berry leaving KC.

RealSNR 07-13-2016 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12314513)



He can join their $10 million center.

Hope they enjoy it

staylor26 07-13-2016 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12314513)

Raiders now have to worry about locking up some of their guys in the future. They won't be as active in FA as they have been lately.

CleveSteve 07-13-2016 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOCOChief (Post 12314527)
Beautiful. The mans a stud. Honor and Legacy.



+1

Quesadilla Joe 07-13-2016 08:10 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congrats to <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPYS">@ESPYS</a> winners <a href="https://twitter.com/Stuntman1429">@Stuntman1429</a> &amp; Peyton Manning!!! Received this photo at the start of the show!!! <a href="https://t.co/fvLaFgDVcL">pic.twitter.com/fvLaFgDVcL</a></p>&mdash; Butch Jones (@UTCoachJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/UTCoachJones/status/753410598210183169">July 14, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Sully 07-13-2016 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12308747)
Who would you rather keep Poe or Berry?

Healthy Poe.

CaliforniaChief 07-13-2016 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 12314623)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congrats to <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPYS">@ESPYS</a> winners <a href="https://twitter.com/Stuntman1429">@Stuntman1429</a> &amp; Peyton Manning!!! Received this photo at the start of the show!!! <a href="https://t.co/fvLaFgDVcL">pic.twitter.com/fvLaFgDVcL</a></p>&mdash; Butch Jones (@UTCoachJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/UTCoachJones/status/753410598210183169">July 14, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Hey, a Chief finally touched that old horse.

thabear04 07-13-2016 10:06 PM

:clap:

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 12314660)
Hey, a Chief finally touched that old horse.


thabear04 07-13-2016 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12314554)
He can join their $10 million center.

Hope they enjoy it

And their Left Guard.

BossChief 07-13-2016 10:32 PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yah...client=safari#

Doesn't sound like Dorsey is letting emotions get the best of him in these negotiations, but I hope he makes the right decision.

I think Dorsey deserves the benefit of the doubt when it comes to safeties.

Otter 07-13-2016 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12314830)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yah...client=safari#

Doesn't sound like Dorsey is letting emotions get the best of him in these negotiations, but I hope he makes the right decision.

I think Dorsey deserves the benefit of the doubt when it comes to safeties.

Quote:

Berry and the Chiefs have said since the Tennessee product was tagged in March that they hoped a long-term deal would come to fruition — like the six-year, $101 million deal linebacker Justin Houston inked a year prior — but the sides haven't reached common ground financially.
Not happening. He'll get a 1 year franchise deal. I'm willing to bet on that one.

Quote:

He can also negotiate with other teams. Should another club reach a deal before Friday's deadline, they would have to surrender two first-round picks to Kansas City.
If this were to come about by some miracle take it and don't look back.

DaneMcCloud 07-13-2016 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otter (Post 12314856)
If this were to come about by some miracle take it and don't look back.

I'd take a 1 and a 3 and be absolutely thrilled

BlackOp 07-14-2016 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12314864)
I'd take a 1 and a 3 and be absolutely thrilled

No one is giving up that for a SS...which is why there is an impasse on his contract. It's just not that that valuable of a position...probably the least on the defensive side.

ThaVirus 07-14-2016 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12314881)
No one is giving up that for a SS...which is why there is an impasse on his contract. It's just not that that valuable of a position...probably the least on the defensive side.


He's playing FS now

WhawhaWhat 07-14-2016 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12314830)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yah...client=safari#

He can also negotiate with other teams. Should another club reach a deal before Friday's deadline, they would have to surrender two first-round picks to Kansas City.

Has that ever happened? I can't recall a tagged player ever getting signed away and a team giving up 2 first round picks.

As long as Antonio Gates is still in the division, we know Berry is getting his lunch money taken in at least 2 games every year.

Red Dawg 07-14-2016 06:59 AM

Joey Galloway was traded to Dallas for two firsts. That is the only time it's happened.

BossChief 07-14-2016 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12314864)
I'd take a 1 and a 3 and be absolutely thrilled

If a middle of the pack team wants him for a first, I'd do it if Dorsey doesn't think Eric is worth the money he's demanding.

BossChief 07-14-2016 07:15 AM

For 12m per....well, bye.

https://www.google.com/amp/profootba...client=safari#

Red Dawg 07-14-2016 07:23 AM

He had a large rookie deal and now he's just a greedy asshole. He's not the best safety in football and shouldn't get the most money.

WhawhaWhat 07-14-2016 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12314957)
Joey Galloway was traded to Dallas for two firsts. That is the only time it's happened.

ROFL

Of course Jerry would do that. Btw, 2 firsts for 151 catches and 12 TDs in 4 years with Dallas.

Lzen 07-14-2016 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12314966)


WTF? Why would his tag salary go up by $2.1 mil if they chose to tag him again next year?

scho63 07-14-2016 07:53 AM

I'm not so sure how sad I would be if we got two first round picks for Berry unless that team was a Super Bowl winner and our picks were at the bottom of the barrel.

Several times I was sad when we traded talent but it worked out well in many cases.

Tony G, Jared Allen, Brandon Albert.

Other times not so well like Neil Smith and Albert Lewis

SAUTO 07-14-2016 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 12315004)
WTF? Why would his tag salary go up by $2.1 mil if they chose to tag him again next year?

It's progressive

BleedingRed 07-14-2016 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12315025)
It's progressive

https://media.giphy.com/media/10hexADl3Kl6SY/giphy.gif

SAUTO 07-14-2016 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 12315023)
I'm not so sure how sad I would be if we got two first round picks for Berry unless that team was a Super Bowl winner and our picks were at the bottom of the barrel.

Several times I was sad when we traded talent but it worked out well in many cases.

Tony G, Jared Allen, Brandon Albert.

Other times not so well like Neil Smith and Albert Lewis

We traded Smith to the Broncos and Lewis to the raiders?

Are you sure about that?

ThaVirus 07-14-2016 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 12314943)
As long as Antonio Gates is still in the division, we know Berry is getting his lunch money taken in at least 2 games every year.


This hasn't been the case in quite a long time

R Clark 07-14-2016 08:10 AM

Don't think they were trades.

ThaVirus 07-14-2016 08:11 AM

Just tag him and let him walk after this season. **** it.

I'd rather keep that $12m on ice for a top-notch CB.

Dinny Bossa Nova 07-14-2016 08:13 AM

A RARE R Clark SIGHTING!!!!!!

How you been, R?

Dinny

Quesadilla Joe 07-14-2016 08:15 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Absent unlikely change, no extensions expected for franchise players K. Cousins, Eric Berry, Alshon Jeffery, Mo Wilkerson, Trumaine Johnson.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/753592280150257664">July 14, 2016</a></blockquote>
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R Clark 07-14-2016 08:17 AM

Trying to get by

Pasta Little Brioni 07-14-2016 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 12315060)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Absent unlikely change, no extensions expected for franchise players K. Cousins, Eric Berry, Alshon Jeffery, Mo Wilkerson, Trumaine Johnson.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/753592280150257664">July 14, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Did you get your naked Von ESPN magazine yet ROFL

DJ's left nut 07-14-2016 08:35 AM

Ugh.

I presume he's signed his tender. Otherwise, I'd rather just rescind the tag and put him in FA over paying him $11 million for a year.

I'd be okay with a long-term AAV at that figure because players only get more expensive so the 'real' cost is likely in the $9 million range. Paying him that in real dollars for a single season, OTOH, sucks balls.

If it were doable, I'd cut him and use the roll-over savings to put towards retaining Fisher or Poe long-term. Berry under the tag isn't a value at all.

Sure seems like paying the man when the Chiefs didn't have to built up a ton of good will, eh?

O.city 07-14-2016 08:41 AM

Not a fan of it on either side. Not a real good look by the chiefs for not extending berry with all he's been thru and how he's come out on the other side, not good by berry demanding what I'm guessing he's demanding.

Chief Roundup 07-14-2016 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12315085)
Ugh.

I presume he's signed his tender. Otherwise, I'd rather just rescind the tag and put him in FA over paying him $11 million for a year.

I'd be okay with a long-term AAV at that figure because players only get more expensive so the 'real' cost is likely in the $9 million range. Paying him that in real dollars for a single season, OTOH, sucks balls.

If it were doable, I'd cut him and use the roll-over savings to put towards retaining Fisher or Poe long-term. Berry under the tag isn't a value at all.

Sure seems like paying the man when the Chiefs didn't have to built up a ton of good will, eh?

"However, he could also hold off on signing the tender, which would allow him to skip training camp and the preseason and return shortly before the regular season and still collect his full $10.8 million salary."

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...#storylink=cpy

O.city 07-14-2016 08:42 AM

Seems it would benefit both sides to get a deal done

O.city 07-14-2016 08:51 AM

I'm leaning towards this being more berry than the chiefs. Past evidence shows the chiefs have to issue giving out big deals.


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