Also, lets not pretend that this is some sort of habit of Dorsey's. This idea that the scouting department is failing is dumb considering Dorsey has found some jewels in the 3rd that have stuck around just fine...

That's kind of where I was going, but I wasn't sure he was involved. It could be that he just can't make the mental leap from ND to the scheme Sutton runs. Or it could outline some character issues as well.

As I mentioned earlier, had Moses been on the 53 for Week 1, his salary would have been guaranteed for the entire season.

By signing him in Week 2, they can release and re-sign him at any time and only owe him one week's salary.

I never did like that kid's holdout, if we are lucky enough to put him on the PS this might turn out to be a good move. Not only that, but it sends a msg to the rest of the players.

Those two are mutually exclusive: Draft position does not equal being a good player.

By that measure, an undrafted college free agent like Charcandrick West isn't a good player because he wasn't drafted.

i brought this up a few days ago in the russell thread, somebody pointed out he was cleared by the ncaa and reinstated? i have no other info or confirmation one way or the other.

And regardless of the round, he's found plenty of secondary players in the draft and on the scrap heap that contributed to the Chiefs success each and every year he's been in KC.

I'm the deadbeat? Go get those teeth fixed and build up those biceps, you worthless reerun.

That bastion of truth and justice, the NCAA.

He was cleared by the NCAA.

Wow.

I was using that just as part of his analysis. Of course logically it doesn't mean undrafted players are automatically bad players. I watched several ND games, as I assume Dorsey did which is why they invested so highly to begin with. I don't have access to the resources Dorsey has, coaches, interviews, workouts, etc...yet he still picked him.

Gawdayum.

At least Ned Yost is not affiliated with the Chiefs.

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How many posts a day does Billay claim to want to suck Dane's dick?

Hi guys, Titans fan here

as some may know the Titans have #1 waiver priority at the moment and our CB depth is as scary as it gets, would you guys think Russell would be a viable option for us?

no

Yea he clearly fantasizes blowing Dane.

PM Bob Dole.

Well, after Marcus Peters. We have terrible CBs...even though I think Chiefs fans underrated Phillip Gaines. Nonetheless, we have a bunch of chodes when we go into the dime and we STILL cut Russell who was a 3rd round pick this year. Speaks volumes about how much the staff was unimpressed by him.

It's honestly tough to say. He obviously had some level of talent coming out of college or we wouldn't have drafted him. It sounds like he's not that smart of a guy, as the most public criticism we've heard about him is that he's had a lot of trouble grasping the terminology the Chiefs use. Aside from that, he largely just couldn't get on the field above other guys we drafted later, so he pretty much showed the fans nothing.

File this post under the "Things that happen in Madden but not real life" category.

Would we trade Jamaal Charles straight-up for a cornerback? I love Jamaal, but if he's back...well...I think we've got a rich talent pool at RB right now.

Just spitballing.

This.

The Chiefs probably didn't expect DJ White to beat out Russel. It happens. I'm happy to see Dorsey have the balls to move on from a high round pick.

And FWIW, i expect him to be added to the PS.

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There had to have been an off the field issue then.

The other thing to keep in mind, guys, is that without trading out of the first round, which resulted in the Chris Jones selection in the second round, the Chiefs wouldn't have even had a third round selection to make.

That trade also opened up the opportunity to draft multiple 4th and 5th round players, all of whom made the roster, save for Kevin Hogan, who most likely wouldn't have been drafted by the Chiefs, either, had it not been for all of Dorsey's moves.

Yep, off the field the Chiefs kept telling him he was terrible on the field.

Funny guy!

Very plausible possibility.

What? No "Well bye"?
ROFL

For as hell bent as Dorsey was on getting back into the third round (seriously, Captain Ahab wasn't as fixated as Dorsey was on the third round), he sure shit it away, didn't he?

So in effect, the Chiefs gave away an additional year of team control of Chris Jones for....nothing. Nothing at all. And that's what I hated about that trade down to begin with.

It wasn't Chris Jones, it was that if you really think Jones is a player, you just take him in the first and leverage the value of the player option to save yourself a shitload in the long-run. Agents are digging their heels in on franchise numbers now that they've gotten so high. The franchise tag isn't going to be much of a benefit for teams going forward. So if you can't get guys extended early, you're stuck fighting in the market for them.

One way to help get that extension is the threat of the 5th year option (see Fisher's deal, and Fisher's deal was even harder because the 5th year option for him was more than twice what it would be for a late first rounder).

The trade down failed.

So they brought back moses, which is nice.

I don't see them trading for anyone.

:clap::clap:

You'd have felt like that was something the scouting staff could have sniffed out, though...

The real truth is almost certainly that Russell ****ed up in some really severe way.

My thought process as well.

Well I'm done with the Adopt a Chief program.

Last year I had Gaines and he tore his ACl. Picked Russell this year.

I'm bowing out.

I think this hinges on Parker Ehinger, who we drafted with through the compensation for that trade.

And honestly the kid looks like he could be a solid G after a year in the weight room. We'll have to see.

Also Murray.

Dorsey obviously felt he can get some 3rd round talent with those early 4th round picks, so I disagree with DJ.

ROFL

Totally agree. He ****ed up in some way. This isn't just his progression over the last 4 months or so. Not on a 3rd rounder.

Well, that was fast.

Without the trade down, the Chiefs don't have at least three, if not four, of the following players:

Ehinger
Murray
Robinson
Hill
White
Nicolas

Let's say they took Jones at #1 and Russell at #2. Based on their draft positions, the draft would have looked like this:

1. Jones
2. Russell
3. ----
4. Eric Murray
5. Kevin Hogan
6. DJ White.

So, no Ehinger (hole at LG), no developmental receiver in Robinson, no speedster in Tyreek Hill and no developmental OLBer in Nicolas, Hogan cut.

Add to that, Russell still may have been cut.

The trade was far from a failure.

Right now, the 2016 draft class:

2. DE Chris Jones -- solid hit so far
3. CB Keivarae Russell -- epic fail
4. OG Parker Ehinger -- solid hit so far
4. S Eric Murray -- actual potential
4. WR Demarcus Robinson -- struggling
5. QB Kevin Hogan -- on another roster
5. WR Tyreek Hill -- solid hit so far
6. CB D.J. White -- actual potential
6. OLB Dadi Nicholas -- actual potential

Still looks like an okay draft if Russell completely flatlines.

Shocking he was released so soon. He had to have ****ed up in a very serious way.

Hogan is on the Browns Practice Squad, not roster.

Not a very good draft for Chiefs. No future players.

Fair enough. I suppose at this time he is our 4th QB until someone needs him on their 53.

nitpick:

Was never a fan or not of him, but why doesn't WR Robinson get more slack? It's not like he's had much sample size, or shown to be good or bad, really. Not like he was expected to step right in as a WR1-3 contributor.

I can only judge personally based on the preseason and the camp practice I saw, so my opinion (as always) is not definitive.

Robinson just isn't getting separation.

Trolling again, I see.

How much longer before his stupid ass is banned, again, for trolling?

calling Reek and Ehinger hits LMAO

right now they're giving us UDFA play

And now the other troll chimes in.

:facepalm:

When will the Mods take out the trash?

ah, okay.. well, I can respect this very early assessment. We'll see..

You're so ****ing stupid it's scary.

UDFA play?

How often do UDFA's score TD's in their first game?

Also, how often does a UDFA start from day one on the OL?

TIL that when one rookie cracks the starting lineup on offense and another scores a touchdown on his very first NFL reception, it equals them being the equivalent of a couple of UDFAs. Amazing.

Dammit, staylor. I'm shitting in the bag destined for your porch as we speak.

any scab off the street could have scored that TD

Ehinger is only starting because we have a dearth of talent at that position. Desperation. He is the weak link by far.

Sure. We just need to find a 29 year old CB with a blown out knee that wasn't active week 1 because they are still trying to come back from the injury.

Why would you assume that not making the Jones trade would've stopped them from making the other trade out of the 2nd? And trying to stretch this exercise into "well they'd have just taken Russell in the 2nd" is obviously just driving an agenda. No, they wouldn't have; there were 15 picks made in between that 2nd rounder and where we took Russell, you really believe none of them were on our board?

They gained all of 2 picks from that deal, how do you figure that it cost us 4 players? If they don't make the deal, it's not Ehinger they lose but Murray (they'd have just taken Ehinger at 106 instead of 105). But if Murray slides to them at 126, they probably take him instead of Robinson. If they don't get Robinson, maybe they take Hill instead of Hogan and then DJ White with the next pick.

Who the hell knows how it would've gone, but it could've just as easily been some chaff that we lost out on.

It's just not worth giving up that year of control for more JAGs, not on a team that's this deep. You have even acknowledged that it's going to be an issue going forward due to roster depth.

Volume of picks isn't as important as quality and maximizing their value.

LMAO

Yeah udfa's routinely accelerate to the end zone like tyreek did Sunday

You are ****ing stupid.

Wow Clay!! Trolling hard today aren't you? Calling a guard who won the starting job in his very first NFL game and a speedy receiver/returner who had the first touchdown that started the come back UDFA play is just asinine. But I get it. You have to be the troll. It's what you come here for. We will just have to roll our eyes and shake our heads when we see your off the wall opinions.

Dude cut them both in in Madden. That's his eval tool.

Really? There was one guy there to tackle him and he got a pinky on him.

I wasn't impressed but standards around here have fallen so....not surprised.

I thought that job belonged to Inmem?

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Even the announcers were drooling over Hill. You're a ****ing moron.

Please, do enlighten us with your expected standards for what a fifth round wide receiver should play to....

Oh and Hill develops his OVR quickly if you pump up AWR and is lethal on returns. So he failed there too...

They were not. But, all entitled to their opinion. Have a nice day, friend.

I'd like to see him do something beyond screen passes, that's all.

I felt like I was watching McCluster.

Ummm yes they were. That's a fact. Not an opinion. Go back and listen after his last return.

It's amazing how people just keep replying to Clay even when they know he's clearly trolling.

After the TD?

No after his last PR.

C'mon, smell. I know you enjoy employing the contrarian philosophy, but methinks you've gone over the edge on this one. Do you not understand that you lose any/all credibility when you make these outlandish assessments. I guess you just don't care.....which is ok by me. It's just that I know you have more to offer than these sorry observations. Why are you wasting your talents like this? I suspect it's just for your own fun and games, but it is sad to see you so obsessed with such trivialities rather than sharing your honest opinions with the CP community.

Hopefully, someday you'll find more entertainment in sharing honest opinions rather than simply tossing stuff out there to induce attention and angst.

He looked exactly like McCluster, except how he is much thicker, faster, and harder to bring down than McCluster could ever hope to be. Other than that, you nailed it.