To compare the two favorably towards Alex is to not understand the difference in NFL eras.

I do not think Alex Smith belongs anywhere near the conversation of comparing to multiple super bowl winners. But then again, Eli Manning has won multiple Super Bowls.

All I am saying is that - if we are going to talk about this - then let's be specific about what these players actually did. And since Aikmans stats are DOG SHIT - then something else must be accounted for why he is considered an all time great.

Of course, stats are all that matter to certain posters, so something must be afoot.

Teenager?

How were you a teenager from 1992-1995?

Dan Marino threw for 48 Td in 1984 then 40 again two years later.

To pretend teams didn't throw the ball in the ****ing NINETIES is to show just how limited your understanding is.

Oh. So you are old enough. Unfortunately, you have proved that your football takes have sucked for over 2 decades. Give me Smith over Aikman any day of the week. I may have exaggerated when I compared him to Cassel. Cassel is bad. Aikman was a JAG.

Whoa... Nobody who wins 3 Super Bowls is a jag.

My point is that you can't bemoan Alex Smiths stats as empirical evidence of his suckage and then say Aikman is above reproach when he had Terrible stats his entire career.

This is what happens when you want to speak in absolutes and be able to quantify what is inherently unquantifiable.

For five years he was in the top 10 in YPA, completion percentage and wins.

The Cowboys were either second or third in total offense for four consecutive years during this time period.

Even though they had an elite rushing attack and defense, they were still in the top 10 in passing 3 of those 5 years, and in the top half in the other two.

He completed SIXTY NINE PERCENT of his passes one year, in an era where that was unheard of. Where 60 percent was considered elite.

And in the playoffs, when he absolutely had to show up during those Super Bowls, he was phenomenal. He had a quarterback rating over 100 in EVERY SINGLE PLAYOFF GAME save one during three Super Bowl years.

His playoff game averages during those runs:

244 yards, 1.8 TDs, 0.44 INT.

That might not SEEM like much compared to today, but the league leaders in passing yards and passing TDs averaged 252 yards per game and 1.8 TDs per game in 1993.

So people that just look at aggregate stats and compare them to the modern era are ****ing ignorant.

ROFL

"I will follow him."

ROFL

Yeah. And when he was hurt, Jason Garrett and whoever else was backing him up put up just as good of numbers. It wasn't him. It was the system and the weapons and the line. What happened when Enmity Smith held out to start the 93 (I think) season? They lost until he came back. If Aikman was all you think he was, he could've won without him. Brady would have. Peyton would have. Rodgers would have. But not Troy JAG Aikman.

in a way i did...followed him right to Chiefsplanet

as a young lad troy awakened an intense appreciation deep within me for franchise quarterback play, and football in general

it was because of Troy's daring do that I discovered Joe Montana...emboldened by this I became latched to the Chiefs franchise

eight years later...i typed "chiefs forum" into google and began a vision quest to find another franchise QB...the kind i only briefly flirted with in my youth

someday my prince will come...again

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2743/...6446592f58.jpg

Yes, you are if you disagree.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...af2dc04ae4.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...f71b7f0935.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...7a157e3c63.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...77190027bb.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...a11ff8c7c9.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...bab3aa02f7.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...729e4741e7.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

LMAO

Steve Beuerlein completed a pathetic 49 percent of his passes in relief of Troy in 1991.

Bernie Kosar lost his only start the following year, and Jason Garrett threw for all of 61 yards in another game.

Granted the following year Rodney Peete and Jason Garrett did well, but your statement is not true.

It really is. It was a prophecy, foretold mear moments before the final unraveling. Alex was quoting Kid Rock, " what you hoes wanna do, one at a time or all at once I'll still roll through your whole crew!!"

FYP

Stats will tell you that Green did less with far more.

Aikman
Age 30-34

More or less prime years for a QB.

But from 1996-2000 Troy Aikman's rank of QBs with 1000+ passes...
19th in Passer Rating out of 31 qualifiers.

i read somewhere he gay

Aikman's prime years were 1991-1996.

After that injuries took their toll.

Please exit the thread with your ignorance.

Are you starting the GDT this week?

Aikman's best years were coincidentally Enmity Smith's best years. It wasn't injuries that took their toll it was the fact that everything that made him look like something he wasn't had fallen away and he was exposed as the JAG that he really was. Spin away Clay. Just like you always do when you are always wrong.

Yeah it had nothing to do with the concussions. :shake:

i should, being the good luck charm that I am. :D

I love how you will make excuses for JAG Aikman and then blast everyone who makes any excuse for Smith. Hypocrite.

When Alex Smith is leading top 5 offenses five years in a row, ranking at the top of the league in YPA, and winning three rings in four years, he can have excuses.

Anyone that thinks alex smith is suddenly going to be somethig he hasnt been his whole career is sippin on some syzurp

Continuously improving?

When the rest of the team sucked you blamed Alex too. It seems that no matter what you will blame Alex.

The Comprehensive, 100% Accurate, Statistical Summary of Every Game Alex Smith Has Played In A Chiefs Uniform

Yards per game, 2013-2015:
230.7
217.7
217.9

Rushing yards per game, 2013-2015:
28.7
16.9
31.6

Touchdowns per game, 2013-2015
1.69
1.2
1.22

Sacks per game, 2013-2015
2.56
3
2.72

Chiefs offensive points per game (with Alex as starter), 2013-2015
24.65
20.49
22.48

We know what this turd is, and there is no more shining to be done. You could say he is getting worse. Getting older...getting slower...less productive. Fewer yards, fewer touchdowns, more sacks, fewer points. It's all there plain as day.

Your fantasy is not coming true. 2016 Week 1 will be the outlier.

The end is coming. Soon. Repent.

Clay you forgot to post his W-L record. You know, that thing that we use to determine which teams advance to the playoffs.

Sorry, I will not speak to you.

Find me quarterbacks who went five consecutive seasons of having one of the best win percentages but were contributing little to their team.

Like I said, clockwork.

Since you went thru the trouble, create a chart of elway and aikmans stats and put them adjacent to Smith's so we can see if Alex is really a fraud like you claim

Sorry, I will not speak to you.

Love how Clay cherry picks stats and highlights sacks but doesn't include turnovers...

I can accept that people aren't full supporters of Smith but this imbecile full on despises him and wants the Chiefs to lose to prove a point.

LMAO

That's what I do not understand.

Charles - Bowe - McCluster - Avery - McGrath - Fasano

generates more TDs than

Maclin - Kelce - Charles/West/Ware - Thomas - Conley - Avant?

All during times when you could hit people and there werent as many rules to help the WR

yah maybe in a few years he will really be special

Jim Plunkett, Phil Simms, Jon Kitna, Jeff Blake, Chad Pennington, Bernie Kosar, Richard Todd, David Garrard, Matt Hasselbeck, Jake Delhomme, Doug Williams, Joe Flacco, Matt Schaub, Bill Nelsen, Marc Bulger.

That's the combined list of comparable QBs through 10 years and a career's worth of NFL play according to Pro Football Reference.

I think at least three of those names are valid comparisons and that's not meant to disparage any of the three or Alex.

You just like those tight pants Smith wears.

oh clay :facepalm:

Im starting to think you're right. Either this one or the GDT today. The good senator might go on a bender, especially if the Chiefs lose today... Which is entirely possible, maybe even probable.

We're still waiting for you to tell us about those 3 SBs that Terrell Davis led the Broncos to.

Simms, Pennington and Nelson?

Trent had a 3 year stretch where he was the most productive QB in the league, and that was during Manning's prime. Smith has never even had a single 4000 yard season. And Trent didn't pick up 90% of his yards throwing sideline to sideline. I can't believe we're even having this discussion. Other than Montana and Dawson Trent was the best QB this team has ever had.

How productive would Green have been behind the lines that Smith has been playing behind?

We could play that game all day. How productive would Alex have been playing in a league where QB's and WR's weren't coddled by the league and could actually be hit?

I'm not Clay, I actually like Alex and acknowledge that he's our best option and I was wrong when I thought trading for him was a huge mistake. But comparing him to Green is laughable.

That's the point though.

There's no way that Smith would have been nearly as productive in Saunders system as Green.

But Green, without the protection that line provided, would be productive playing behind the garbage that Smith has been playing behind.

I don't even disagree that Green is the best QB not named Dawson for this team, and would argue that he was better than Montana for this team.

I am just pointing out that Green did have that advantage.

I loved Trent Green as the Chiefs QB but he had more than just a great O line. He also had Tony Richardson and Jason Dunn to block and he had Gonzo to throw the ball to. He had a huge advantage over what Alex Smith has had. Maclin and Kelce are quality guys but Gonzo was unstoppable for the most part making catches with guys draped all over him. Gonzo was a game changer for Trent Green.

You also have to understand that many of the balls that Gonzo pulled down from Green are passes that Alex Smith would have never attempted.

I didn't like Aikman either, but worse than MC? You are high.

Maybe true but Gonzo was so good that Alex might have thrown the ball into tighter coverage if he was throwing to him. Either side of that is just speculation.

That hit home with me as well when it happened.

ROFL You did well, though. Fought the good fight, while clearly maintaining your hatred.

The comparison was funny.

Another excellent job, Flopnuts.

This thread brought out an exceptional amount of stupid from the masses.

If you're expecting stupid, is it really an incredible amount?

I love the part where it's always "the team fell short" with these transplanted nut-huggers when the Chiefs lose, but when Smith pulls the magical 8-ball game of the ages from his ass, it's "See(?) he was elite all along! Get on board"!

I don't care if you win.

I don't care if you lose.

But make no mistake; the enjoyment lies in watching the Pimps of Mediocrity eat big ol' shit sandwiches and Uncle Sweets kitchen is fired-up, the grill is warming, and a big basket of turd-fries are being dropped in to the hopper as we speak.

Bon appe'tit.

So, are they eating shit sandwiches or turd fries? Or is it a shit sandwich with a side of turd fries? How much is the combination plate?

Oh, and Uncle Sweets sounds like a pedophile.

a) It's both.
Variety is the spice of life. And since you've been getting none from your QB position for the last quarter century, I'm here to fill the hole in your soul.

b) Combo plate: $8.99. I'm cheaper than Gates! You can PayPal me direct.

c) If that be the case, sounds like Tigger Unclesucker will be my best customer!

Yay me!

You mean like Kurt Warner. A product of "The Greatest Show on Turf" offense. Green was not nearly as productive as Warner in that same offense.
When Green had a less than All Pro OL at all positions he was given the moniker of TrINT because his play was so atrocious. Green never even won a playoff game in that offense.
They are different types of QBs that played in different offensive schemes but Green was in that same offense for most of his entire career. He never had to go through the coordinator, head coach carousel that Smith has had to endure.

Greens first three years with the Chiefs 11,512 yards 67 TD 49 INT
Smiths first three years with the Chiefs 10,064 yards 61 TD 20 INT

Oh yeah Green was such a better QB than Smith. He did so much more while being in the most prolific offense that the NFL has probably ever seen.

Hasselbeck, Kosar and the choice of one of the guys who were on a SB winning team.

That's not really it. Two things are happening now that didn't before.

1. Smith is more comfortable and improved in this yr 4 scheme.
2. The players around him aren't screwing up at critical moments.

So to clarify, you are no longer a Chiefs fan, and no longer care what happens with them? all because of Smith?

right. This is all I was alluding to. I think Aikman and Elway were pretty good, but not vastly superior or beyond reproach. Fans just need some QBs to prop of and fantasize as "amazing HOFers."

They were and are still overrated.

Alex took a giant shit all over clay last weekend so of course Clay is moving the goal posts by comparing him to a HOF QB.

So much truth.

The thing that confuses me is when I post aikman and elway's stats to show how similar (or even worse) than they are to Smith's, you get a select few who get all dramatic as if I'm comparing him to Rodgers, Peyton, or Montana. There are a gluttony of QB's that have won a SB playing far worse football than Smith but the only rhetoric I hear from clay and his fellow imbeciles is how he isn't on the level of Rodgers as if that is what is holding us back.

Bunch of damn fools!

Clay, Since you went thru the trouble, create a chart of elway and aikmans stats and put them adjacent to Smith's so we can see if Alex is really a fraud like you claim

Clay you forgot to post his W-L record. You know, that thing that we use to determine which teams advance to the playoffs.

Good job Tigeruppercut. Clay refuses to answer your. That's because he knows that he can't answer you with any amount of credibility. He's wrong.

This could quite possibly be a career defining year for Alex.

The team needs him to step up to compensate for the little dropoff we might have on defense and it seems Alex is responding to the situation.

Today is a huge test for him, as will next week. These are 2 top 5 defenses and we will need Alex to be on his A game to have a chance at winning.

It's gonna be fun to see how well Alex plays today.

The odds might be against us but as you said, I want to see this offense keep it competitive in the event our defense gets gashed.

:facepalm:

Green was one of the reasons it was "the most prolific offense the NFL has ever seen".

From 2002-2005 Green threw for over 16k yards and 94 TD's with about an 8 yard/pass average. He was an actual QB who made QB throws, not a game manager. And Green never won a playoff game because we had arguably the worst defense the NFL has ever seen.

This thread turned out exactly like I thought it would... just awful

The only thing I intend to add to it is this... as much as I hated the 90s Cowboys, the Aikman hate in here is a bit much. As Milkman correctly pointed out, Aikman threw one of the best looking, most catchable footballs of all time

He could make every deep throw with accuracy AND touch

"It's not Alex's fault. The O-line / WRs / defense / coaching sucks."

* someone posts stats that depict Smith's career as a little bit above an average QB *

"The only stat that matters is wins and losses!"

With his career 61% completion percentage and 199 yards/game?? really???
Have you looked at Montana and Young's highlights and numbers?
Outside of a handful the QB competition in that decade was absolutely god awful.