actually we can slide the Dline around and bring Ford off the right side if we wanted to

It would require some effort by Sutton though

I stayed firm with my belief in Ford and almost laughed when people were suggesting starting zombo or Nicholas.

it was pretty obvious even with a small sample size how much talent he had and that he just needed playing time.

I chose him as my break break out player at the beginning of the season and I've been dead to rights..

Dude is a Beast.

He's looking good. 9 sacks in 8 games? That's elite. I know that Buffalo doesn't play until Monday night, but Ford is tied with Lorenzo Alexander and is a half game up on VonDouchebag. And they have all played 8 games because Dungver and Buffalo haven't had their bye week yet.

Ecstatic about Dee Ford's progress and it warms my heart and stirs my loins to think of a built up Dee Ford coupled with a rejuvenated Justin Houston.

There's more crow for anyone who wants 2nds.

LMAO

Ford is probably the team MVP today. He had a great game.

I thought Ford would be a 5-7 sack player this year.

Hand me some crow.

How did Jones play ?

So... We're up to 13 sacks in 15 games, right?

If Houston is anything like his old self... its going to be SICKDICULOUS

He has maybe had better games, but still forced the issue on several plays

Just wait until next year after an offseason in the strength program, and things begin to slow down for him mentally... its gonna be Sasquatch Time

Ford didn't rush the passer much in the first 4 of those 8 games either.


It's more like 7.5 sacks in the last 4 games.

:thumb:

Tell me Alex Smith hasn't had 2983928 games just like Foles had today.
Dumbass.

We got to see if Foles would take advantage of his opportunity. He did not.

That's pretty good production. I think when Houston returns, it's gonna be like Neil Smith and Derrick Thomas again. I get pretty excited when I thin k about Poe getting double teamed in the middle, Jones and Ford rushing from one side, and Houston from the other. How do you stop that pass rush?

I will eat my crow when he matches Von or bests him when we play them and we beat them 2wice.

Foles is Foles. He played no differently than he did for the Rams or Eagles, minus the turnovers today.

To think he was better than Smith, let alone special player, was wishful thinking by uneducated fans.

That's a ****ing stupid bar to set.

They don't play the same positions really.

Neil Smith - DE
Derrick Thomas - Rushbacker/ROLB


Ford - Rushbacker/ROLB (i assume Sutton with move him over to there)
Houston - LOLB


Smith and Thomas could line up beside each other on virtually every play.

Ford and Houston will only do it when Sutton calls a blitz for Houston and then flips Ford over to the other side. I doubt it happens very often.

Most it will be Ford on one end and Houston on the other.

Not to mention, Dee has more sacks than Von right now since they've played the same # of games as of right now since the donkeys don't play til tonight.

He's already bested him in sacks. He has 9 sacks in 8 games this season. VonDouchebag has 7.5 sacks in 8 games. Tied for the league lead in sacks and you want to see him best him head to head too before you eat the crow? Come on man. Give credit where credit is due. Ford is not a bust, he's a beast.

So, that's a yes, please. Coming right up.

I know that Ford is a OLB and Smith is a DE. But what I was getting at was having the 2 of them on the field at the same time coming from both sides.

Yeah... its time to ease up on Ford, my friend

He genuinely has looked better every single week this year and absolutely killed it today

So basically in order for ford to not be a bust in your eyes,he has to outplay the SB MVP twice, and we have to beat the defending SB champs twice? This is just plain silly...

:clap::thumb:

He's BUILT FORD TOUGH!!!!!!

Derrick lined up on the left side Neil on the right.i never remember them coming from the same side

They did

It might have been when goonther was Head Coach, i don't remember.

What was up with Sutton putting ford at the MLB spot on 4th down against JAX on their last possession? Not only did he not rush him, he didn't even pretend to rush him.

Smith was gone 2 seasons (after the '96 season) before Cunningham was the Chiefs head coach in 1999

I think Sutton has unleashed him.




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not silly, reeruned.

Imagine if Ford keeps this up. He's going to want big $$. We have a shit load of your guys we are about to either pay out the ass for or give nice contracts to.

Poe or Berry (let's be honest here, it's Poe)
Peters
Morse
Ford

And that not considering Ware holding out and wanting more $$, which he should absolutely do in the next year or two.

I now see why Dorsey arranged contracts for Howard, DJ and Tamba to be 3 years. In 2018 all their $$ is going to the young pups.

:rolleyes: I don't know why some of you have such a hard time admitting when you're wrong.

So what the guys to be first-team All-Pro and be the league leader in sacks for you to not be wrong if you said he sucks.........

Gtfo..

I guess this makes up for the time that I said Tamba was completely worthless and would never amount to shit after we set the league record for fewest sacks in a season...

Not looking like a bust this year. He's getting to the point that you need to account for him on passing downs. Finding his groove.

Ford is carrying this team on his back.

He was a beast today, that's for sure.

And he should have had a couple more today.

How'd he look on runing plays?

Most everyone on defense was getting destroyed against the run, Sutton just wasnt ready for their new OC without any film to look at on him

His speed just looks effortless.

Very very few tackles in the league are going to be able to keep him from getting around the corner with a kick step

There's just no way. You would have to get somebody to chip him
If Houston comes back to full speed there will be no answer other than get the ball out of your hands in less than 2 seconds

They did on a stack blitz. DT would tap Neil on the butt before the snap on the side he was going to blitz - inside or outside.

Gun was here 95-00 & 04 to 08.

Serviceable. 100x better than week 1 and 2. The entire rush D has been weak though, but it's not Denver bad or anything.

The whole defense looked terrible against the run so it's hard to tell.

But he had to be accounted for of most every pass play

And he's, also starting to use multiple moves. He's not all about speed. He is using his power much better

He's definitely started bulking up. Starting to look like mini Houston out there.

I saw a bullrush and when they got to the backfield he just slapped the RT out of the way. And made it look easy.

Yep, the more I see him, the more obvious it seems that it was just a matter of him getting enough reps to get it. Hali can teach you how to hand fight every day in practice but if you only get a few reps per game, you can never get the technique down. Now with fulltime reps, he's getting the technique down and I saw him use it a few times today.

Fill my plate as well

I definitely noticed that today. There was a play where he went wide and the QB stepped up so he ran out of the play. But on the next play, he faked out wide and then rushed inside. It wasn't a polished inside move, but I was pleased to see it. He's learning.

Yep, he shoved that right arm into the tackles left shoulder and gained inside leverage

Dude is learning, when Houston gets back... watch out all you AFC posers

He has definitely been listening to Sensei Tamba

Cuz he's BUILT FORD TOUGH!!!!!!!!

He showed a bull rush several times yesterday. One of the plays that Wilson made against the run, I believe in the first quarter, was a result of Ford doing a fantastic job of sealing the edge and forcing the RB upfield right into a waiting Wilson.

The guy's getting better every week and every jackwagon that's come in this thread saying "I ain't eating shit; it took the guy 3 years and he's not Von Miller yet" is just being a stubborn dick at this point. The kid was buried behind 2 great players as a rookie, flashed talent last year and has been the most valuable player on the defense through 8 games this year.

If you 'demand' more than that from anybody, you're just being unreasonable.

Oh, and speaking of Tamba, it's getting a little sad watching him play. I feel like Ford's emergence couldn't have come at a more critical time not just because of his ability to stand in for Houston but because he'll be desperately needed to replace Tamba soon. Hali just doesn't have the explosion off the line he used to have and it's allowing LTs to get the step they need on him and just wait for him to come into their body. He's not on the field much these days and he's not been terribly impactful when he has been. Sad to see time finally run down a war horse like Hali. I'm hopeful he's just saving his energy for a late-season push.

I saw Hali get thrown to the dirt on at least three separate occasions yesterday. He's essentially ineffective.

Someone said he had 5 pressures but I doubt it. I legitimately don't remember him making a single notable play yesterday.

I remember one time he got pressure but most of the time I remember him just getting stood straight up. It seems like his handfighting has really fallen off and I think that has something to do with his inability to use that first step to get inside the tackle's arms.

Like I said, as often as not they're just waiting for him so they can get that punch in first and really dictate the play. It may be time to find a way to put his hand in the dirt so he can try to close the gap a bit. I'm not sure if he has the lower body strength to be effective in that role now that his knees are abandoning him, but that may be the way to keep him valuable.

Or you just hope that he's saving it and/or still building leg strength and stability back up. He just doesn't seem terribly useful right now.

When houston comes back, I'd think about kicking hali inside on some pass rush plays maybe

Tamba looked bad yesterday bc he was tired and worn out. He played 53 snaps (69%). That's the most snaps he's played all season.

The reality is that Tamba needs to be playing 35 snaps Max the rest of the regular season to stay fresh and not overwork his legs. There's no reason Tamba should be on the field if we are up by double-digits.

Houston coming back should start to help here, but I'd still like to get Nicolas some obvious passing snaps as well.

I guess I was mistaken about sack totals. I thought that Vondouchebag had 7.5 sacks prior to last night and one last night made 8.5. But he has 9.5 now so I missed one somewhere. Still, Dee Ford is half a sack behind in one less game.

Read an article about a month ago regarding Hali that said because of his offseason surgery he is being limited reps because improvement from the procedure would take at least until mid December.

Some of it is to alleviate bone on bone pain, and HA injections form a highly dense matrix of cushion. It also has to settle in and anchor into the spot you want it to be placed. Casual movement and limited strenuous movement is alright, but too much too often would essentially push out the gel at the highest pressure points where you need it most.

Agreed on all

He definitely showed an effective bullrush several times yesterday, and is showing an ability to get inside of his guy instead of being ridden wide of the play all the time, as so often happened earlier in his career... its certainly time he started getting some respect from people

Yeah, poor Tamba... the best thing thats going to happen for him is Houston coming back so his reps can be reduced significantly, that should really help his productivity

The saying "I aint as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was" comes to mind

And I like your idea from another post about maybe trying him with his hand in the dirt, it just might help him close that gap faster

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Tastes like cold shit. Would not eat again.

Did the lime not help?

He forgot the tequila to go with that lime. That would have washed that crow down.

I'll eat my share; I don't think I was ever unfairly critical, but I saw him as a 9 sack/season situational pass rusher, boy was I wrong...

He looks like a franchise bookend rusher this year, and I couldn't be happier to be wrong