This team has steadily improved year after year. We finally will go into 2017 with 3 respectable receivers and an offensive line not ranked in the bottom 25%. All of this accomplished WITHOUT Jamaal Charles, the guy who was the biggest star on the team.

Smith is here to stay through 2017. It's a make or break year for him. But all of the dramatic girls on CP think he'll be gone this season. Don't hold your breath.

Please quit responding to the troll.

Interesting how the "make or break" year is perpetually pushed to next season.

Tiger reminds me of the Matt Cassel apologists circa 2011.

In the playoffs...
Broncos averaged 22 points per game and never scored less than 20.
Patriots averaged 36 points per game and never scored less than 28.
Seahawks averaged 29 points per game and never scored less than 23.
Ravens averaged 31 points per game and never scored less than 24.

Notice a theme about teams that win? They score points.

He ranked 11th in QBR
Spotrac says his cap hit was 13th highest. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/quarterback/
Team wins ranked 3rd overall out of 32 with the highest graded strength of victory amongst all playoff teams.


Use some common sense you idiot.

That may as well be the Hank Stram era for Tiger.

Do you plan on staying with the Chiefs when they move on from Alex, Tiger? Or would you follow him if you felt he was replaced unfairly?

This.

I get your point, but you could say the same for Pittsburgh in a lot of ways.

If Pittsburgh scores on just one or two of their redzone trips, we still lose.

Not to forget if Kelce catches that 40 yard pass we likely get a TD and Reid doesn't shit the bed with his late game antics.

Alex Smith is just a symptom. Moving on from Andy Reid would be the cure.

I don't think I agree, but you have to isolate variables to be sure.

I still think Reid is among the best coaches in the NFL when taken on balance. He has some warts, but he has enough strengths to more than outweigh them.

That said, give him his young QB and a shot at development. If Reid's the problem, isolate Reid, confirm it and move along. If Smith's the problem, you can't know until you see Reid working with a new guy.

The best way to ensure you never dig out of a whole is to change too many variables and start chasing outcomes. I think you're wrong but I'm willing to consider the possibility that you're right. The only way to do so is to test Reid independently of Smith.

This was Smith's year, IMO. He had the weapons and he had the talent on the line. He was given the pieces to succeed and he failed. He's the easiest variable to change with the shortest shelf life. Change it, move along to the next possibility.

Get Reid a new QB, coach him up and see what we have. If it's more of the same, time to reconsider.

Just like when Alex didn't see a wide open Hill for a TD twice with no pressure and rolled out of the pocket?

the problem is.. KC didn't get many chances. Every time I've seen them in games they lose *when they should win* they always operate in a narrow window. Andy needs to fix that. Namely how he sets up offensive drives. Horizontal plays need to be limited, Hill needs to learn WR position more and he needs more targets. Kelce does not get fed enough.

Please stop replying to the troll?

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Guarantee we could find some posts made exactly this time last year saying the exact same ****ing thing. Rinse, repeat....

He's the definition of Truefan...

What kind of stupid asinine comment is this? He LED the league in yards. You are asking Reid to go one dimensional when the best offenses distribute the ball amongst capable players. Have you ever watched the Patriots play?

Agree. The plays are there, they aren't being made. Andy doesn't call a bad game. You have a QB missing easy reads, wide open receivers consistently. You can't expect better results going back to that well. Receivers make mistakes too, but its the QBs job to give them the opportunities. It's Reid's job to give the QB the opportunities, and I believe he's doing that.

Troll or not, there are some folks who are too ensconced in their opinions to be worth too much dialogue.

Tiger's one of them. He's not changing his mind so why bother? I don't think he's trolling, I think he's simply that certain of his belief (and a bit of an insane fanboi).

Regardless of the why, there's still not a great deal of need for prolonged debate. Speak your piece, give him the floor for a bit and move along.

Smith earned another season with his play this year (swept the division, 2 huge comeback games, 1st round bye). His TD total of 20 in 14.5 games by rate is identical to his 22 TD's in 16 games in 2015. Sack rate went down almost by half. QBR went up. Completion rate went up.

All of this DESPITE Maclin playing like crap, a rookie as the #1 receiver, and a run game that clearly lost a step.

Smith ain't the problem. Dorsey knows this. Unfortunately, CP is too dumb to realize there are 5 bigger problems on this team.

**** the troll. Don't give any ****s. Feed him until he busts open at the seams.

Smith gets one more season. BUT KC HAS to draft a young gun that will challenge him, and if the window opens.. canunseat him. KC's offseason has to be A+. The Oline has to be more consistent. Need to draft a great RB, another TE *I think KC can be what NE tried to do with Gronk and Hernandez honestly*.

Not with our awful red zone offense.

26th in the league.

This man I respect.

Those of you who don't like that I disagree with you and are unable to realize I offer a facts-based alternative perspective to your whiny teenage girl rhetoric, I feel sorry for you.

Woulda been a sick interception in the endzone, I'm sure.

At 58, which isn't ancient by any means, but factor in the possibility of one last contract with one last shot at the big game, how open is Reid to develop a young QB? I know it's not necessarily his call, but hopefully we're not looking at another QB retread with another sunsetting coach.

We're still waiting for the facts little boy.

He singlehandedly destroys any thread he chooses to post in, and apparently has carte blanche from the mods - otherwise he'd be gone just like Clay and every other troll/mult on the board. Hypocrites.

Since the mods refuse to take out the trash, the only way to resolve the issue is if people would just quit replying to his nonsense. Then maybe - just maybe we could actually have some discussion around here.

Then you're just as guilty as he is for destroying this board.

Just because he has a dissenting opinon of Alex is all trash, doesn't mean he is clay bad. Clay is an irrational, sometimes humorous, poster.

Over the last 25 months, when have I ever shown any sign of giving up on my beliefs? My biggest accomplishment may have been driving Clay to insanity countering his stupidity with facts that he was unable to contain himself from making psychopath level comments which led to his banning.

Come at me all you want but my track record speaks for itself, I'm right far more times than I'm wrong

May I ask why?

2015 was the true 'shit or get off the pot' season with Alex for me. I said to start the year that he needed to establish that he could be the starting QB for a winning team. Good news - he actually shit. He proved he can be the QB for a consistent winner.

Then the team took note of some obvious roster holes, dealt with them and got him a better supporting cast. It was time for him to prove that he could take the next step forward.

Instead he spent most of the season sputtering. He didn't take a step forward. I'll listen to arguments that he didn't regress (I disagree, but there are arguments to be made), but he definitely didn't improve.

He's not going to know the offense any better. He's not going to get more physically capable. The absolute BEST you'll see from Alex Smith is what you got from him this season and frankly I saw plenty of signs to suggest that you won't get that.

I just don't feel like we can count on that being good enough. For me, I'd just run Foles out there and see if we can learn something new because there's nothing else to find out about Alex Smith unless it's bad news.

When calling others idiot, it might be best to get your facts straight.

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Also...

Smith was 16th in QBR.
Smith was 17th in TDs.
Smith was 22nd in Yards.
Smith was 16th in Yds/A.
Smith was 22nd in Yds/Game.

OTW wants to ***** in his rocking chair but the truth of the matter is I've stayed on topic and provide facts to the discussion. You just can't handle the truth.

With all sincerity. I would attempt this throw, even with harrison on his way... how tf can he can see that as a TD or an incomplete AT WORST. He can even toss it to the left of Hill to avoid any potential pass break up. Disgusting.

The guy stopped rooting for the Chiefs as soon as Foles played against Indy.

He's a troll.

FYP

2015 was Alex's "make or break year". He then apparently got an extension to 2016 for winning against the mighty Texans, now it seems 2017 is the make or break year for... some reason.

Like it did with Marty, like it did with Dick, when you refuse to fill the hole that's holding back your roster, eventually the championship quality elements of that roster disappear.

It would be a shame if the incredible talent on this roster were left to the same fate as our players in the 90's.

I've been beating that drum for a while. If not a mult, it's definitely revealed Bob's love for all things Alex.

For a board that started as a refuge from the policies of the Star, it sure is starting to trend that way in some capacity.

Wrong.

Serious question, how many points would Brady, Rodgers, Ryan or Ben put up against Pittsburgh's defense at home Sunday night with our offensive talent?

25 minimum. And again, that game wasn't all on Smith, but if we are being honest, those guys would have made big throws on that defense for 4 quarters.

At least 19.

I had already posted this thing in 2 threads otherwise I was going to post it in the 'who would you replace Smith with' thread and answer "Me....because even I would've let this ball go...."

Seriously, I'm as gobsmacked by that play as I've ever been by any play. In any sport. Ever.

I've seen guys throw behind the winning run at 3b. I've seen defensemen put pucks into their own open nets. I've seen guys shoot at the wrong basket. I've seen a lot of things in a lot of different sports that all had me less agape than watching Alex Smith stare at the fastest man in football as he drew even with a mediocre defensive back who was standing stock stick and still elected not to throw the football.

There is absolutely nothing about that play that I can wrap my mind around. I've seen one proposed answer (he was throwing to Kelce) and I don't see it - dude was staring right at Hill.

I'd replace Alex Smith with the first quarterback available that will make THAT throw. Which is pretty much every single one of them.

From someone whose own team is is crumbles... with Alex in place, there's a great chance of winning the division again next year. Los Angeles *lol* are gonna be trash again, Denver still have an average offense and defense is strong but beatable and the raiders are on the rise. I think the position should be open but having Alex during the reg season can at least guarantee a seat in the playoffs. I'm not sure it's the right time to change leadership unless the next guy is polished enough to do the job. The division is more open than it's been since when? Put Smith on a tight leash, make it publicly known, give Foles some big looks during practice and preseason, draft a earlier round QB and keep it going.

Don't care.

The question isn't really 'how many points would Brady put up', it's 'how many points would Cousins put up?'

Holding any quarterback to a HoF standard is asking him to fail. But lets hold him up to the standard of just a pretty damn good quarterback with the kind of attacking attitude you'd like to see in a passer with this caliber of weapons.

For me, the answer's somewhere between 27 and 35 against that defense.

I've posted the facts and you have yet to respond to them in either thread. Why? Because you're the one that can't handle truth. Your only rebuttal for the past 2 months is "He wins. He's the 3rd winningest QB in the NFL." Dah dah dah. The Chiefs are the winners. Alex limps along with them. Get a ****ing clue about the game of football and some people might take you serious. It's obvious you've never played, and if you have it certainly wasn't past Pop Warner.

Is that what we're shooting for boss?

I'm surprised it has taken that play to get you to this point - considering he's missed throws like that multiple times per game routinely over his 4 seasons.

Have you seen the end zone view of the interception?

If he does what a good QB is coached to do - throw upon hitting his back foot - the play is a completion to Kelce.

Instead, people want to blame the OL.

Little things that add up to big things, which puts the success of the team on the defense and special teams - and they aren't going to bail you out every single week.

Your posts are softer than what others provide. Read the responses I've given to them, that should be sufficient.

Well, SB is obviously goal number one.. but so is home field advantage

This board was destroyed long before Tigger came here. It'd be nice to have it be what it once was, but I'm not sure that's even possible any more. Too much bitterness. A fan base that goes from Huard to Thigpen to Cassel to Smith is bound to be extremely bitter until they get something good.

I don't remember Pittsburgh receivers dropping very catch-able passes. I could be wrong, and I plan to re-watch, but I remember thinking that the DB's affected the catch, ripped balls away, etc. We just had straight out drops....

Ben wasn't pressured at all. I think he only was hurried 2 or 3 times. Only touched the ground once and he had an unstoppable running game to lean on. Chiefs were dominated in the trenches - which is usually the unspoken reason for winning and losing.

Chiefs drives stalled because of self-inflicted wounds. Steelers drives stalled because the Chiefs defense eventually held their ground. If just one guy makes one of those plays... well, no sense traveling down that road.

The view from the bottom of shit mountain isn't exactly the view I care greatly about.

Sure, Alex Smith is going to keep your team from being a festering boil. That's not my goal with this roster. This is a championship caliber roster and going 1 and done for 2-3 more years as it gets worse and the roster ages wouldn't bother me a hell of a lot more than bottoming out altogether.

I'll take the risk for the reward.

My biggest issue with Smith is his confidence level. Maybe it's just me but when he gets shaken up a little like sacked or throws an interception, he appears to lose confidence. His posture and footwork start to fall apart. He throws only short or lateral passes. It seems like he has a hard time shaking off the last bad play and grab ahold of horns again. Maybe a reason why Reid calls the plays he calls. I wouldn't trust him throwing down the field to change the momentum if he starts acting like nervous nelly. Especially if he's had pressure.

Is there a loss of trust between Reid and Smith? After that delay of game from Smith......(I can't remember how far later) Reid took the timeout when the playclock was down to around 1 second left. They showed a close up of Smith's face and he either looked pissed that Reid called a timeout or surprised.

Pitt's defense has improved dramatically since Dupree and their young corners have been plugged into the system. Like night and day difference.

Is that why the Browns put up 24 points on them? Or how about the Ravens with 27?

I agree. Not so much in regards to the board since I'm a noob but to the bitterness. When you watch this team and you have such high hopes. That this year looks like it could finally be it. The talent is so spread out. Especially during the 90s and the last few years. There seems to be so much potential but yet there is always a gear in the machine that just throws off the whole damn thing. It's gut wrenching. It's disappointing. Unfortunately or maybe fortunately, I am at the state now that I know I will not be disappointed in being disappointed. But I will be back next year. With high hopes and optimism cheering for the Chiefs. In hopes that one year I can say "Hell YEA!!! The Kansas City CHIEEEEEEFS are the SB champions!!!!!" Then kill over in shock.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/s...s/201612160105

Do more reading, pal

So replace Smith with Foles/Mahomes? Lawlz

The pass rusher is a good 8 yards away from Alex when he takes off.

Absolutely inept quarterbacking.

The plays were coming in too late.

Clearly, the game plan was for Smith to go under center until the defense showed it's blitz/coverage etc and then audible out to something else. The problem is that you can't do that if the play call doesn't come down until only 10 seconds are left.

Reid and his 3 men involved in the play calling makes it too slow. We can't run a hurry up offense because we take forever to get the plays in.

Andy calls plays about as fast as his fat ass takes to walk out on the field.

ROFL

Yeah. How could either of them replace Alex's 15 TD passes lmao

Tony Romo can get bent, he is old and brittle

If you want Romo arm talent, we already have that guy

All of this is a bunch of wishful thinking anyway, no chance in hell Smith doesnt start in 2017

Yes. Terrelle Pryor had a 1000+ yard season with a bunch of randoms and RGIII passing him the ball. Was that on them or him?

I'll wait.

Think about what Kelce's stats would be with a good quarterback.

Wowzas

I've been n the fence with him, but they need to flush this turf now and for once in my life draft and develop a real franchise qb.

Who am I kidding...I'm a Chiefs fan, never gonna happen

Imagine him with Rodgers or Brady? Or Luck? Hot damn.

This.

Several good options are on the table for both 2017 and 2018. The time is now.

God forbid some fat, beer-gutted **** in his Eric Fisher jersey have to "endure" a 9-7 or so season for one year to grow and develop a Super Bowl champion QB.

You'll live.

Remember that time we sucked for luck? Good times

When your only ability to discredit Smith is comparing him to two of the five greatest quarterbacks of all time, then you've got serious mental issues.

Wow, you're still defending him after Sunday? At least you're consistent

TU is a meme at this point lmao

Yeah we couldn't even get that right.

Didn't you compare him to Elway?

He's always been a me me.

And probably a flopper.

Then Tyler Bray should be top notch material, SB baby!:rolleyes:

But setting up the punter is an art form.