Thank god this is the last year of this shit-show.

You guys about have that alwayswrongaboutfootballplanet site up and running?

Yeah, our defense did enough to win against the Steelers by holding them to under 20.

Of course, our run defense was terrible.

If Belichick was coaching that team, we would have lost 42-10 or something. Terrible coaching going away from Bell, or terrible OC-ing.

They do.. here it is -----------> http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1


:p

You know, if you became a member of the Coalition, you would probably be the big Fonzie/Doug Simpson, cool guy there. You would be the big man on campus. Just imagine...this could be you:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/metvnetwork...ug_simpson.jpg

Yeah, they would LOVE him on the Coalition!!!

When are you ever going to realize that my interest and ego does not require or need sustenance from a forum's social acceptance?

You prefer CP, eh?

Sandy Cheeks = Mr. Slave

http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.c...lave-16x9.jpg?

^ lol...

I can't explain it. Maybe you have it right. I like AP, but the post format sucks ass. Never really gave the others a try, but I suspect they would not be as active as I prefer.

There are only a handful of CPers that I can truly say I wish would actually d.i.a.f.. but even that feels too extreme, if being serious.

My one true wish ( i know, go **** myself ) is that CP could stop being so poster-obsessed.. and just be topics-obsessed.. if that makes sense.

Let me guess...the CP'ers you wish would die in a fire would be me, Clay, New World Order, Sweet Daddy Hate, Tuckdaddy, pugs, SNR, Pestilence and jd1050?!? Aka the most vocal Alex hatas?!?!?

I opened this thread thinking The Smiths were going on tour again because it couldn't have been another pissing match about Alex. Boy am I stoopid.

I seriously did read the other day that Morrisey is asexual....eerily close to Alexual.

including yourself, you named 9 people, and got 3 of them..

( you're not one of them. I consider us very close friends, and await my hug ) :)

I agree with you that our defense did a pretty good job in that playoff gm but they didn't do a great job. I give them a B+ but you Alex haters are on here acting like they deserve an A and no criticism at all for that playoff loss. That's BS. There are plenty of things our D could have done better to help us win that game.

I'm not saying that I expect our defense to shut out every opponent but they need to get better because at the end day most of our talent is on D and they need to step up and lead this team to the SB. You can win a SB with D Broncos did it recently, Seahawks almost did it and almost did it again the following year.

Also, two huge drops by Kelce and Albert Wilson hurt us badly. And if I remember correctly didn't Spencer Ware drop one as well?

Anyway, Alex Smith didn't play great but he wasn't the sole reason we lost. We have a lot of areas we can improve in other than the QB to get us in the SB and win it.

If our defense improves their run stopping ability, we get more from the running gm and our WRs/TEs stop dropping so many damn balls IMO we can beat anybody. Alex is who he is but we can win with him.

When Kaepernick was his backup didn't he have a good year?


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Yeah he was having a great year until he got hurt. I forget his stats but they were impressive.

Smfh. Such a troll reply. How about talking about the topic of the discussion?

I'll give you credit for holding out hope this long.

I did the same with Girlbac and suffered the hate and ire I eventually deserved.

I'd love to see one last great effort from Alex because this team is ready to win around him. IMHO we could have done it last year if not for him being sketchy after his brain scramble earlier in the season.

Alex WILL BE cut after this year because the money makes sense.

Plus, the Dorsey-draft-curse also predicts it...

Impressive for Smith maybe.

Through 10 games he had:

1,737 yards
13 TDs
5 INTs

His completion percentage was great at 70.2% and his rating was at 104.1.

Now take that and average it over 16 games.

2,779 yards
21 TDs
8 INTs

You get normal Alex Smith numbers. Nothing special.

He had us winning the colts game. He was playing off the chart. Perfect throw to big money bowe and he didn't even try to stay inbounds

His salary for 2018 is 16 mil plus incentives can take it to 20. Mahomy will be making 4 mil so 24 mil for a starting QB and his backup is fine. Mahomy won't be starting right off the bat in 2018 because Smith will be coming off his best year EVAR and mahomy will still be untested. It will be 2019. Sorry.

Good evening, douchebag! So now it's come out that the Chiefs were all-in for Mahomes almost a YEAR before the draft.
I guess I'd better call John and Andy up and see if they'd like to contribute to our new site, yes? Yes.
I know it burns your dumb ass greatly that the Chiefs have elected to become relevant in the modern league, and have thrown your most beloved team-building traditions in to the trash-heap, but you're just going to have to live with the facts that times change, Alex sucks monkey dick, QB1 Death Cult won the war and beat your ass in to the dirt, and that the Chiefs FO is walking in beautiful, harmonious, lock-step with Draftubation Nation.

Is what it is, bitch.

Bowe hated Alex from the very first day he arrived in KC, so we hatched a plan to shatter Alex's confidence even further, and to complete the Great Work started by Mike Singletary.

You're welcome.

Alex psyching himself up, looking at himself in the mirror as Eminem's 'Lose Yourself' plays in the background:

Smith: I can do this, I can throw for 17 tds this year and set up the punter

ROFL

Except they held the ball the whole time while running the ball down our throats

How many possessions did each team have?

I agree, Alex isn't the ONLY piece we were missing in the playoff game... we also have to work on our field goal blocking!!! Stupid, mouth-breathing field goal blockers!!! All they had to do was block one of the 6 field goals and they FAILED MISERABLY!!! Ahhhhh!!!!

Between the 20's, our D sucked... that red zone D showed up, though...

At least 6 I'm pretty sure.

it was all pretty even, TOP included, IIRC..

Point is valid. The defense can't really be blamed much vs Pit.

Big drops from TE/WRs
Missed opportunities from Smith here and there.
.. and the OL really didn't step up much.. and Fisher must still feel the sting of that holding call that took away the tie at the end.
Playcalls.

It's as if the Chiefs never play as if they are in the zone, or look like they are composed enough for the biggest of games. Really was a total team fail, but I find it harder to blame the defense. Considering the brokedicks that were missing or ineffective, it was fortunate that Ben was having a shitty/bleh day too.. or it could have been worse.

Too bad KC couldn't run the ball like Pit could. Was a huge disadvantage.

yeah, just checked some #s from that misery...

Pit had 34 rush attempts.. KC had 16. That's just hard to overlook or stomach.

They had 66 plays on offense.. KC had 49.

They had 10 total drives to 9 for KC.

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was mistaken on the TOP though... Pitt had a significant 34:13 to KC's 25:47.

That'd be funny if the game evolved to the point where every team had at least one Manute Bol/Kareem Abdul Jabbar type of guy that was exclusively used to block field goals.

You are such a ****ing idiot. If it were Mahomes you would blame all of this on him for not sustaining drives and tiring out the defense. It's exactly what you do to blame the QB for our defense during the SB run. Why is it no longer up to the QB if the defense plays well or not?

...anf Eric Fisher held

Eric Fisher held

ERIC FISHER HELD

GOD I HATE YOU ERIC FISHER

WE SHOULD HAVE DRAFTRED GENO AND PUT HIM ON THE O LINE BECAUSE I'M SURE HE CAN BLOCK BETTER THAN YOU

GOD

YOU PLAY A FATTY POSITION AND YOU AREN'T EVEN FAT

Yeah, it is too bad our offense couldn't do that, or keep long sustained drives going.

I wonder if anyone really broke down those drives...

1st drive - TD

2nd drive - TWO offensive lineman penalties pushed us to 3rd and 16, and high % punt.

3rd drive - Pass on 1st and 10, QB got quickly hit as he threw and INT'd.

4th drive - 3rd and 7 pass to Ware... dropped?

( just asking.. I don't remember the play, only that people remarked earlier about a Ware drop )

5th drive - Charc West fumbles the ball to Pit on 2nd down.

( something of note.. only 4 possessions for KC in the 2nd half )

6th drive - This was the clear DROP by Kelce over the middle on 3rd and long. punt

7th drive - 3rd and 7 sack by Harrison. Don't know who to blame.. don't remember it or have it in front of me.

8th drive - FG drive to close the scoring gap to 5 points.

9th drive - we all know how this ended.. 13 plays 75 yds.. and a Fisher hold at the EZ to deny us a tie score with 2:43 left.

( there were 3-5 drops in this game for KC, as I recall )



So, anyone going to consider each of these drives, and who to blame?

probably not, lol. Easier just to say "that dude sux"...

by my count of the 9 drives, how many would you honestly blame the QB for?

- I'm pretty sure everyone will agree that he can't be blamed for the TD drive..
- or the INT as QB got quickly hit and ball just hung in the air? (though I remember some people sure tried, lol)
- or the West fumble
- or the Kelce drop over the middle
- or the final drive and penalty on Fisher

That's 5 of the 9 drives right there. So how about the rest?

- blame him for the FG drive to close the score to 5 pts down?

so what is left to fault him on?

- did Ware drop that 3rd and 7 pass?
- was Smith at fault for taking that 3rd and 7 sack?
- the 3rd and 16 high % punt due to multiple OL penalties?

He's not taking it well at all. He's already hoping Mahomes turns into Todd Blackledge. He's mentioned it in multiple posts. What a ****ing loser.

:facepalm:

Pitt 34 rushing attempts (171 yards) to KC's 14 rushing attempts (61 yards)
Time of possession: Pitt 34 minutes to Chiefs 26 minutes

They had the ball for almost a full quarter longer than we did and since they scored 6 times, the 26 minutes we had the ball our starting field position was deep in our own territory.

Where the hell is the common sense around here???

Not hoping that at all. Alex can't play forever, we need to have someone ready to go when he retires :)

So kindly go **** off

Our starting field position in the Pitt game was atrocious because our defense couldn't force punts which would have put the ball into the hands of our dynamic punt returner

1) 45 yard line -> touchdown
2) 12 yard line -> punt
3) 25 yard line -> INT
4) 20 yard line -> punt
5) 16 yard line -> fumble
6) 24 yard line -> punt
7) 21 yard line -> punt
8) 46 yard line -> FG
9) 25 yard -> TD

we would have still won the game if the QB would have just thrown it to the same dynamic player you are talking about.

the odds of that being a TD are MUCH GREATER than him returning a kick for a TD.

:D


and what is the average starting field position in an NFL game, those look pretty normal to me...

Again, Sauto, you sit and blame the QB who has turned this franchise around, who had his receivers drop 4-5 important catches, who led us down the field for a TD and a 2 point conversion that was wrongly overturned by a holding call....while failing to address that our #1 rated running game in 2015 dropped to #20 in efficiency, andrun defense ranked in the bottom 7 in the league last season.

We drafted Kareem Hunt to leap West in the rotation. We picked up Bennie Logan to be a run stuffer.

Common. Sense.

Andy should have ran Ware more in that game. 4.4 YPC and only 8 carries? His first 3 carries were for 13 yards.

We lost bc we put the game in Alex's hands. The Ware missed throw was horrific, the Kelce "drop" was horribly placed below his waist making it harder to catch, and we all know the Tyreek Hill miss was the straw that broke the camels back.

Alex won't carry teams. He loses to real teams bc he can't make plays happen to win.
Run Ware and Hunt and lower Alex's attempts this year.

blaming the placement of that Kelce drop is just shameful... and frankly, discredits any other opinion you ever have on this.

I wonder how the perception changes if Bowe taps that second foot in... or the ref doesn't flag Fisher..

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"But Smith can't make reads!!" - CP morons who know nothing about game film or statistics


Alex Smith stats with 4+ Receivers on the field
2014: 63/95, 66% complet, 7.08 avg, 10 td’s, 1 INT…117.6 rating
2015: 73/110, 66% completion, 7.00 avg, 6TD/1 INT, 100.9 rating
2016: 146/193, 75% completion, 7 avg, 8TD/3INT, 101.8 rating

Or if Alex simply hits a wide open Tyreek Hill for a TD in a clean pocket..

Except when Alex put the team on his back against Indy and New England both games where he didn't have his #1 RB (Charles and Ware) ...but of course blame is to never be placed all-around. Just the QB.

Your logic is severely flawed and utterly stupid.

Look, I get that. It was a huge, missed opportunity. He has to own that. That's one missed opportunity, and all QBs miss something glaring to us after the fact. It sucks.. but it doesn't change the reality of the rest.

And Smith admitted he missed it. But as Reid and Smith both said, that play didn't have Tyreek in the progressions. Odd, but it's true. Look at the play where he hits Tyreek for the game tying TD against Denver, you literally have Harris out wide making zero movement because he is a non-factor. Tyreek saw an opportunity in that Pitt game and ran down the field but Smith was flushed out to the right with no intention to even make a play across his body (again, which QBs are crazy enough to throw across their body even with a big arm). Those opportunities/mishaps are few and far between... why people fixate on it like it was the game deciding mistake can only be explained by ignorance.

Not like this. It was clearly something Andy went over with Alex when he was discussing that interview.

It was a play that made Andy (finally!) realize that he was capped and lead to Patrick Mahomes.

You are welcomed to draw that conclusion, but it's a pure, wishful guess on your part.

My stance is that Smith made it clear to Andy that he was not going to be playing for much longer.. so this knowledge made it all the more clear that getting a QBotF needed to be a higher priority than perhaps first anticipated.

To me, it looks like Hill was the deep decoy, and Smith never really looked at him... started to move away from a pass altogether just as we see Hill breaking wide open.

I can't imagine a scenario where Smith sees Hill wide open, and just elects to not hit him.. on a throw that most of us could reasonably make. No, it's far more likely that Hill was just a decoy, and never really looked at in that split second of decision.

It's water under the bridge now, and Mahomes will be the future soon enough. That will be what is best for Smith, and hopefully, for KC too.

Oh look....the "Hill was a decoy" bullshit argument is back. Yay.

Wasn't it posted here that Mahomes was being scouted by about October?

Yeah it was reported that Dorsey was at 2 games and Ballard went to 3 live games as well as our staff looking at his film from every game every week.

Truth. And it was Dorsey, not Reid focusing on the search for the QBOTF.

No way man. Alex came to Reid 2 years ago and told him that he didn't have much left!!! /SandyDipshit

Andy doesn't give 2 shits about college prospects during the season. He doesn't have time.

What a stupid argument LMAO

Blame goes all around but my point stands, he makes that throw we win.

Oh and you forgot we used two firsts and a third to draft a qb this year.

Seems like dorsey and reid agree with me.

I don't give a **** what any of you say, they work together.

You can't say reid LOVES Alex and is tied to him and then say mahomes was all dorsey...

You're going off what precedent?

Barring injury and a slump...This is Smith's team in 2017 and 2018. Don't fool yourself otherwise. .

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=2089

Here's to not seeing you in '18 then...

So you're a Pat Mahomes fan and not a Chiefs fan when Smith is the QB.

Fair weather fans aren't hard to find around CP. We already know that.

It's like the old line about girlfriends.

'I love you, change everything'

Yeah I didn't understand not running Ware more as well. If there is one knock against Reid it's he gets too pass-happy at times. Still a great HC but I wish he would run more.

Oh the ****ing irony....

Bet me, pussy.

Wasn't that about the time Alex got his bell rung? Then took a week off and talked about retirement.

Dude averages 1.1 TD's a game for his career. He didn't live up to those lofty standards last season. How are we supposed to know when he is slumping?

Too much focus on the wrong numbers.

Ask a QB like Brees how pumped he is about his yardage and TD numbers... and whether he would trade that shit in for wins and a postseason shot each yr instead.

It's not about flashy numbers in these Chiefs games. Andy seems to like the dink, dunk, grind it out kind of games. It's the only explanation for why Smith is going into year 5 as the QB.. making the money he is. If Andy wanted a big, explosive passing offense this past 5 years.. Alex would have tried to give him just that.. boom or bust.. or would have been quickly replaced.

Only now, do we see a true effort to put a spark to the offense.. by drafting a guy like Mahomes. That's a good thing.. but it's less a knock on Smith than many want to think. It's more about knowing two things. (1) they have finally formed an OL that can pass pro well enough to open things up... (2) they know that Smith is looking to exit the NFL soon.

It's a huge knock on Alex Smith for the Chiefs to go after a polar opposite quarterback with a gunslinger. Hell Andy Reid should be embarrassed for his passing futile quarterback. You think he has been happy with his dink and dunk offense? I think not!

I don't have to have the flashy passing numbers Sunday after Sunday. What I want is for the QB to have 500 yards and 6 TD's in his arsenal just in case the game situation asks for that scenario.

I know!! I have really enjoyed the preponderance of the times that's happened in league history, . . . in garbage time of blowout losses.

For what it's worth, I really do think this will be Alex Smith's best year. He has three years in the system, he's familiar with the whole Andy Reid offense, has a consistent O-line, and multiple targets to look for. Plus, now he has pressure sitting behind his back that he's trying to fight off so he knows he has to let it loose, and he has never wilted before. Cheers to a good season my brothers!

If he has to force himself to be a quarterback that he isn't then he will falter. This may very indeed be a good year for Alex Smith. I think he will actually play well to start the season but if he starts taking hits it's going go down hill for him. If we keep seeing the punter come out in first and second quarter before we can get any drives moving he will be hearing the boo birds.

Each game after weeks 6 or as the season unfolds Alex will be playing each snap as if it's his last.

That was last year.... LMAO

Dude declined just enough that it brought the offense below average last season and now he will be brought to his knees. MWA HAHAHA!

If this is his last year, it will be his greatest year in my eyes

If he wants to follow Alex to Cleveland, I have no problem with it.

Alex Smith = lowest common denominator in the "turning around" of the Chiefs.
End of debate.

Poor Alex fans need all the lies and bullshit they can muster in order to defend their useless and soon to be departed boo...

Yep. Both parties were ALL-IN for Mahomes for quite some time. Luckily, Alex performed his usual sharting of the britches against Pittsburgh and sealed his own fate.

Enjoy the last season of your cock sucking, loser QB. The REAL fans of the Chiefs are about to be served the kind of team and QB that they have been far too patiently waiting for, going back to a time when you were just a drunken gleam in a truck stop prostitute's eye.

Right on.

His greatest play as a Chief? The last snap he ever takes.

First off, eight minutes is not "almost a full quarter".. It is just over half a quarter.

Where is the common sense that 16 points is NOT enough out of an offense in a playoff game? This isn't the 1920's, this is 2016. You need defenses to put up some drives and get more than two TD's a game to win.

I'm not blaming just Alex, but the offense clearly let the team down.

as fair as it gets, yeah, man..

ROFL we will see.