Someone on one of the pundit shows talked about coming back from achilles from personal experience. He said it's mentally really tough to put weight on it. He said the doctor would tell him to hop on one foot and he'd be like "No way, I can barely walk down the stairs". But the doc would say, yes you can. Etc.

I have no idea if it's something like this, but the way the team is acting and Berry talks, their could be some kind of mental component. Which sucks but sometimes the brain can be pretty brutal to overcome.

You will never convince it's a lack of EB wanting to play. That's just stupid.

I think this is exactly it. I also think that if EB wants to play again, it's pretty clear his heel is compromised from a bone spur and there's a higher likelihood that that achilles will either snap or he'll need surgery on it in the offseason anyway.

EB has always been a guy who sticks to himself - I'm sure it's hard. It's at the point where if he says he's 100% for next year - I think you trust him.

But if he wavers at all... the Chiefs have a hard decision that they'll need to make.

That's what people said about Carson Palmer for the longest time after his injury, that it affected his play because mentally it's very hard to adapt to trusting it again. Your mind is always going to want to protect it given how severe the injury you sustained was, and it's human nature that will affect anyone.

They were saying similar stuff about Luck. And Luck is like no - my shoulder just took forever to heal. So who knows.

Kyle Brandt GMFB

Eric Berry can kindly go **** himself

Unreal. Can’t believe he wasn’t in AGAIN

Not like it matters when he is in, he was invisible all game.

Being invisible in our defense is a good thing. **** those assholes suck.

His spirit still isn't all the way there.

He was invisible the whole night anyway

Yep Berry is done. He juat needs to retire after the year. Wheres that dipshit Marcellus so he can come in here a cry because were talking bad about Eric.

He's just hanging around for the paychecks

Sure seems that way.

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Berry 1.4


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I mean, they had him primarily playing centerfield as the single high. The Seahawks weren't passing deep. What did you expect?

We lost this game because the LBs can't tackle or fill holes properly and the CBs can't cover without holding/interfering and the pass rush didn't get home.

Anyone who thought Berry was going to be able to come in and immediately cover the asses of six or seven other guys on a consistent basis were obviously drinking the Kool-Aid.

I literally watched Tremon Smith miss too horrendous tackles by diving at the shoe strings of the ball carriers, Sorenson and Hitchens simultaneously get trucked by Carson for a TD, NWard and Nelson get beat like red-headed step children, Bailey fail to bring down Russell Wilson, and Chris Jones abandon gap responsibility.

There wasn't a single play that I can remember in which Berry ****ed up. I'm not saying he didn't, I'm sure he did, but he's not a miracle worker. All he can do is come in and do his job.

Eric Berry can **** off straight to hell.

I’m not saying this as fact or anything, but Matt talks to scouts every year. Brett Veach was a scout for us a few years back and it was pretty obvious that Matt’s Chiefs info was probably from him.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Earl Thomas makes sense. Almost traded for him, fills a need at safety...but that means EB and Houston are gone. Which I think they will be <a href="https://t.co/38fJO9ehML">https://t.co/38fJO9ehML</a></p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1092471056097529856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I think this is a possibility. They could just rip the bandaid off completely on Houston and Berry this Spring. Believe they’d have to do an injury settlement with Berry if they do cut him.

Once we read Berry had surgery, we can pretty much put that all to bed, right?

They're gonna attempt to sign Earl i'd guess though.

I’m not sure an injury settlement is a valid option.

Reid said in postgame the Berry would be back.

Doing absolutely nothing, of course. Every day that passes without word of a scheduled surgery is:

A) Another confirmation that he has no desire to compete at a high level any more, and

B) Another day that this leech is wasting our time.

This is one situation where I would not fault the Chiefs for taking it in the ass and completely cutting bait. It would be the best and most productive non-lubed ass-ramming we have ever experienced as a fan base. :)

How bout a 40 and some viddles from the bus bucket?

Livin’ large with the underpass 4

That must be one iron tight contract he signed. Can’t believe the team would allow themselves to be duped like this.

Berry and his agent threw the team under the bus and took the negotiations public. EB's agent seemed to bank on Clark folding to their demands.

By all accounts, he did.

To be clear I've always loved EB, but he played hardball with the Chiefs.

Eric Berry is getting paid to sit on his ass - why would he do anything different.

If he starts of next year day to day so help me God

Don’t worry he will.

Cut him is June. Save what we can which is like half and move on. He's done anyway. Damaged all the way around and let's face it. We need younger players that are hungry. Houston and Berry made their cash and are neither.

I don't even care to retire his jersey anymore he has become a real cancer to the team. We could have paid for a washed up dude like Weddle who actually plays and for a fraction of the price. Damn jon Dorsey for giving him that contract

John Wall of the Wizards has a similar injury and he opted for surgery almost immediately with a 6 to 8 month time table.

If Berry's injury is even close to that theres no way he will be ready by camp.

Hopefully he blows out achilles playing a pickup game this offseason and we dont have to hear about him anymore.

#nevarforget

Season has ended. No Hobo Surgery, day 17 & counting...


Must be "complicated." :rolleyes:

Having to much fun under the underpass for any damn surgery,

Jesus Christ people he hasn't become a cancer for the team. Not a single player or coach has said anything negative about him, instead, they have praised him for his leadership and his help with coverages during the games. He is living in your ****ing heads so much you assume everybody hates him as irrationally as you do. Berry is loved by the team and nearly all the fans.

Prove your point and find us a few players that are accusing Berry of being a cancer. They don't even have to be named sources for **** sake.

What the **** is wrong with you? You wish bodily harm on somebody because why exactly? Because he signed a contract that the team agreed to? Because he is injured? What the **** in your head makes you want somebody to suffer an injury because you're butthurt over something like this?

You’re right. Cap money well utilized. Need about 10 more of those contracts and production. Can you say SB?

So you agree your anger toward Eric Berry is ****ing stupid? Because it is. You should direct all this irrational anger toward Dorsey and Hunt.

Dorsey didn’t want to re sign him. Hunt did

Looking back on it now. Dorsey was right

Exactly....Now SAUTO should chime in with a "Prove it," any second now...LMAO

Ok? But he WAS resigned. Dorsey and Hunt are still the two that people should be angry with if they want to be angry. And I guess people forget that Dorsey is the dipshit that didn't extend Berry or Houston when he logically should have before those respective seasons started and not after them. Instead, clueless about contracts, Dorsey waited until literally the absolute worst time to resign them.

When will we hear about his surgery? This week? Next week?

It's complicated...

Not irrational at all. Just because you don't happen to see it that way, doesn't mean it's not justified to those who see it differently from you. Cancer kills in many ways. The fans were / are owed more than an "It's complicated" explanation from the source. If the fan base turns on the guy, which is happening, it can be very bad in its own right - players and coaches excluded.

Personally, I don't hate the guy. I wish him the best. I just want him gone. It's time to move on.

What? Berry is not a cancer. That is an opinion that was stated here trying to be passed off as a fact. Not one person from the team said Berry is a cancer for this organization. Not one person associated with the team has said that ever.

The fans are owed nothing when it comes to another person's medical condition or personal health outside what is required by the league. The only fans I have seen turn on Berry are on this board. You may be conflating confusion with anger from other fans in public. I wish for Berry's sake fate wasn't so cruel, but it gifted him physically only to try and take it away at every turn.

Dorsey was a boss though. Look at the Browns, they are about to become a perennial playoff team.

Dude, I'm not conflicting or confusing anything - or whatever you're trying to say. I just gave you my opinion, which has nothing to do with any Chiefs players or coaches, and said as much. I also said that if the public turns on Berry - and many are - that his standing in KC would be in trouble regardless of what the coaches and players publically say. Its not complicated.

Is his surgery announcement officially day to day?

Oddly enough after I posted that yesterday....John Wall fell in his home and tore his achilles anyway so now he is out 12 months and that was after surgery. So now hes getting surgery AGAIN.

That is like nightmare scenario for Chiefs fans and Berry lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wall had just had surgery for his Haglund&#39;s Deformity. The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> certainly aren&#39;t in the clear yet on Eric Berry (who we haven&#39;t gotten any news on since the end of the year). <a href="https://t.co/a0gQktypKe">https://t.co/a0gQktypKe</a></p>&mdash; Joshua Brisco (@jbbrisco) <a href="https://twitter.com/jbbrisco/status/1092847298005159936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The statement continues: Wall developed an infection in the incision from the initial surgery to repair a Haglund&#39;s deformity &amp; chronic Achilles&#39; tendon injury on Jan. 8. He suffered the rupture after slipping &amp; falling at home.</p>&mdash; Michael Lee (@MrMichaelLee) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrMichaelLee/status/1092847781394423812?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Berry is done.

At least Wall’s contract is more onerous than EB’s!

https://deadspin.com/john-wall-slipp...-sp-1832364689

Not sure why everyone is upset about his contract. He’s was the best in the league at the that time, you can’t predict injuries. Shit happens, he deserved that contract.

Great player when healthy. Sadly its probably time to move on but I wish him well. Need to look for a safety in the draft.

To be completely real - if everyone was wondering why the Chiefs and EB wanted to avoid surgery - that up there is the reason.

It is and everybody that is pissy with Berry already knows that. They don't care.

Okay, that's why he didn't have surgery this past season. As it is now, everyone 100% knows he needs surgery to even come close to returning to being a decent player. Without surgery he's the same brokedick who got dominated by another brokedick in the AFCCG. The longer he waits on the surgery the longer he's out and the higher the likelihood that he misses even more time next year. Despite that, Berry has still yet to have surgery. We're very likely going to go through this day to day shit for another year.

So what's the alternative strategy if Eric Berry doesn't have the surgery and wants to continue playing football... a repeat of this year's "day to day"/hope for holistic healing approach?

Dorsey knew this was a losing move. Why would Hunt force a move that would so negatively impact the team financially for years?

Because the Chiefs we're stuck between a rock and another ****ing rock.

1. Re-sign Berry and overpay.
2. Let Berry walk and take the PR hit for letting a cancer survivor leave.

And you can sit there and talk about how #2 isn't a huge deal....but you damn sure know it would have been if Berry went someplace else and won a championship.

My position is that the Chiefs either need a significant re-structure or need to say a very hard goodbye this offseason.

The team has been more than “friendly” with EB 29/Haglunds, it’s time EB 29/Haglunds is “friendly” with the team. If that’s not the position then seriously... **** HIM

No he wasn't. Never has he been the best in the league.

Although, he has been the highest paid since his rookie year.

He will probably go have the surgery right before training camp or OTAs and miss the entire season.

He’s best at salary for production.

His contract is for 70m

The next highest paid safety contract is about 50m

And he has given the team absolutely NOTHING since signing that deal.

The NFL is a results based BUSINESS unless emotions get involved...Clark treats Eric like his son...Eric treats him like a businessman.

Bro it's a bizzness. You think BB and Kraft would have kept him?

if you look at the contracts of every safety in the league it is actually amazing wondering how in the world did Berry fleeced the Chiefs to give him 18 million more than the next highest paid safety in the entire league.

He's a complete outlier in terms of contract because it's so absurdly high based on the deviation of everyone else at the position that it's actually funny.

And now they are saying they have found its ruptured somehow on John Wall's.

I'll keep asking you to until you do prove it. Which none of you can. Because it's not true.

Hunt basically nixed the "berry has to buy liability insurance and make the chiefs payable from it" clause.

Yea I read up on a bit today. Apparently when you opt in for the surgery to fix this issue they detach and reattach the Achilles? Then warn you that post op accidents are VERY common (i.e like a fall) and that you might need more surgery anyway.

I think Wall was playing with this issue for a much longer time than Berry has been over the course of a much longer sport in terms of games played that it was bothering him so much that he wanted to try something else, in this case the surgery and he basically turned into Berry's guinea pig.

He wasn't taking less on his second contract with us than on his first. That's why he's paid so much more than the other safeties.

How many of them were drafted top 5 and paid 50 million on their rookie deal? How many of them were as good as him on paper at that point?

That's why he's paid that much more.

And, I'll keep telling you to do your own intel, because you're the type that needs to prove things to yourself. And guess what? You just did.

I did my own Intel.

From what I see hunt only did away with the insurance policy. Which wouldn't help us now anyway.

Any more than that you've just made up in your head, which is why you can't provide proof.

Dude, you crack me up! You can't admit when you're wrong, even when you prove it to yourself! LMAO

Now, follow along, because I'm only doing this once, but it will be here so you can click your heals together and read it over and over again - By your own admission, HUNT GOT INVOLVED, AND what he did (I will quote you) directly altered the negotiations.

THE END

1) We need one of those "doomsday clock"-style counters for this thread showing time elapsed from the AFCCG with no surgery scheduled.

2) I wouldn't go so far as Berry being a "cancer". Instead, I'll just go with "shitty, slow player that doesn't need to be on my football field anymore", because that's exactly where the truth now lies. Watching Berry play Safety is now akin to watching Alex Smith attempt to run an offense and navigate a defensive threat. And just like Alex; I'll have NONE of that. ZERO.

He didn't offer the money.

You're acting like he stepped in and did the deal. Actually i think you've said that.

He didn't.

You said hunt wanted him and Dorsey didn't.

Moving them goal posts?