It's a terrible attempt at a setup.

She is talking like someone who has a wire on....it's sad.

Talk about having a trump card.

IDK man after yesterday's brutal press conference Reek realizes hes not getting a huge contract and probably threatened his gf some more.

It's not a setup that womens life is in danger as is the childs.

Shut the **** up dude. You're an embarrassment.

She's talking like she has a wire on and he's talking like he abuses his child. Which is more sad?

No mulligans for others? Anyway ...

How do you get "child abuse" out of this tape? What am I missing?

Seriously, guys ... there are alternative scenarios here.

1. Damien argues and struggles with Tyreek and "boom" down the stairs. Accident ... not child abuse. (Why didn't uber-protective Baby Mama have a child gate up, anyhow?)

2. Damien is a clumsy oaf and falls down the stairs (I've seen kids fall down stairs and I have anecdotes ... that's why I believe child gates are key components in every grown household).

3. Damien throws himself down the stairs on purpose (granted ... unlikely ... but you can never trust a demon or fully comprehend their motives).

Tyreek doesn't sound like a rage monster on this tape to me, though. Does he sound like an abusive, angry, violent asswipe to you?

FAX

From reading the posts before listening to the audio, I have to think Chiefs Planet is populated by Russian bots.

Many early posts made it seem like the audio was damning.

It is legal for parents to use reasonable corporal punishment. Belt is not reasonable, but if that is what his parents or grandparents used on him, it is as likely that he is a loving parent trying to figure things out as anything else.

Just playing devil’s advocate. It is easy to rush to judgement, but that convo isn’t indicative of either my hypothetical or the scenario currently perceived.

Not me.

Only thing it's evidence of is that she's a crazy botch who is an ADMITTED LIAR who constantly baits Tyreek.

Anyone notice this shit always happens when she's pregnant and hormonal??

At what point did you hear Tyreek deny punching his child?

He "denied" do anything to him when he was downstairs, but when do you hear him deny anything after the word punching is thrown around?

Choking and punching his pregnant girlfriend sounds like something an angry violent asswipe would do.

If it was an accident, DFS doesn't remove the kid from the home.

I'm sure the fiancee and the child are in cahoots to ruin your teams SB run.

You see what I see. Hardly a smoking gun...except to arrest Crazy Crystal for the perjury she admitted to in the conversation.

Make an example out of HER.

Perjury? I don't think that means what you think it means.

Fair question. How many of you got your ass whipped with a belt when you were a kid?

I did. Several times.

Is it that it's actually child abuse, or have we become a society that screams child abuse whenever anyone touches their kid? Personally, I think far too few kids of the last 20 years have had their asses whooped but good at least once. I think we're too ****ing soft on kids and they have mostly turned into a bunch of useless, mouthy ****s.

I'm not suggesting you beat the living dog shit out of the kid and that this is okay. I'm saying, I got my pants yanked down and one good ****ing crack with a belt. I don't see anything inherently wrong with that, situationally.

Now, punching a kid in the chest? Yeah, I have issues with that if he was, quite literally, punching a 3-year-old kid. Now was he actually "punching" the kid or was he giving him a little fist bump and saying "come on kiddo suck it up and be my little man?" Big ****ing difference and one she could twist in the wrong light.

While he didn’t deny punching his kid he didn’t admit it either. Just playing devils advocate.

So failure to deny an accusation is guilt? Especially in a convo he doesn’t know is being recorded.

Do you deny every accusation ever thrown your way?

Sounds like it could be but who knows. Could be a set-up or he could be 100% guilty of everything.

I just hope they don’t release him if he goes on the ineligible list. You don’t have to play him even if he is allowed one day to play and if someone who believes in second chances (assuming the Chiefs don’t) wants to trade for him then great. You can at least make sure he doesn’t sign with the Browns who you know are waiting to sign him.

My guess Hunt wont open his wallet for a liabilty twice, to much drama, Reek was givin an opportunity and he couldn't keep out of news.

Dude. Come on, man. You can't be this bad.

If it's false? Yes...

You seriously dont see anything wrong with a criminal case that has evidence of child abuse out of this household and now there's audio tapes released of Tyreek Hill not denying that he punches his kid?

The only thing this tape has convinced me of is that both Tyreek and Crystal are crazy and really shouldn't be together. Beyond that, I don't really think it changes anything. Still not enough evidence to charge anyone. Still plenty of evidence that they're shitty parents that might not deserve to keep their kid.

I have wanted since Day 1 of this for Hill to be innocent. Not innocent by lack of evidence but innocent innocent because that means a father didn’t abuse his child. At this point, I don’t think it’s a stretch at the very least he is suspended a few games. Now, after this what else happens it’s hard to say. Hill is going to be pissed at Espinol. She may need to cut a deal because she seemingly admits to lying to those investigating or misleading them. I would expect anything about the situation that hasn’t come to light yet will soon.

This recording really proves nothing except Tyreek has whipped his son with a belt. My Dad whipped my ass with a belt many times. I’m going to need more proof before I jump on the release Tyreek bandwagon.

Curious (because I don’t know) but would the police have asked his boy who broke his arm and if the kid said Daddy would they be able to act on that? Not commenting on the case but was interested to know if police actually interview minors in situations like this?

It's not like it was a conversation with a detective where he was expected to answer every question.

It will be the ripple effects of the tape that will likely change things

Well, after what has most assuredly been a shitty day in which I've questioned the mental capabilities of more than one poster on this forum, I am at last greeted with an unexpected ray of light.

Mr FAX, I may have disagreed with, insulted, and perhaps even said or thought nasty things about you or possibly even your kinfolk in dim times past, but as of today I finally see and understand why you are cherished and held dear around these parts.

I humbly bow in amazement at your courage, and thank God for your wisdom and humor in this darkest of times. I have come from grudging respect, to respect, to absolute admiration and amazement sir. I wish you the greatest of evenings and hereby declare that you are in fact one of The Greatest Posters of Chiefsplanet.

Salute!

Admitting to whipping a toddler with a belt puts him in Adrian Peterson territory..

Are you serious?

If you are having a private conversation with someone and something as serious as child abuse is brought up you are just going to brush off the accusation and not vehemently deny the claims if they are false?

Some of you are ****ing lying to yourselves.

Those are the easy dots to connect. Of course it looks bad. I’m demonstrating that there is more to it than just those dots.

Can you deny that either scenario is possible with the information you currently possess?

And yet the DA saw the evidence of abuse and thought a crime was committed.

But everyone can keep acting like getting your ass whipped as a child entitles you to ignore what a DA has labeled abuse.

If I'm FAX, I'm absolutely mortified with myself right now.

That's partly true (from my perspective) ... the racial aspect, I mean. There's a long-established trope of the "Violent Black Man". I get it. Not that I believe that race has any significant correlation to violent behavior. I think upbringing does, though .. more of a "nurture over nature" idea ...

As for hypocrites ... hell, they're everywhere these days. Always have been. That's nature/nurture stuff too, usually. Or a Jungian Complex in which the uninformed observer subconsciously attempts to attach an icon or archetype to a person or behavior. They often can't help themselves.

Then there's the child abuser personality under discussion. Does this tape (as it exists on this thread) provide or offer conclusive evidence that Tyreek abuses his kid? I'm not hearing it. Do I hear a woman try to entrap him while secretly recording their conversation? That's another question entirely ... then again, I'm probably just stupid, racist, or a hypocrite. Or something worse ...

FAX

I think we have drifted past a reasonable doubt that Tyreek Hill abuses his kid.

they would have alerted DFS which would have done an investigation and determined if it was just like an injury that a kid got from falling off a bike or a trampoline or something or if there were signs of abuse.

On a related note: DFS removed the child from Hill and his fiancee's custody.

It’s just too much drama ya know.

They both need major help. He needs a break from the NFL to focus on being a responsible parent.

At this point... Cmon. I don't want it to be true. This isn't a choir boy who finds himself in a gray area. This is a guy skating on thin ice already. Whether he's guilty or not. No doubt whatsoever he still has anger issues. I think anyone defending him at this point is clinging to a thin reality.

Let them.

He's gonna get suspended. 8 games. Then he comes back.

If I'm the Chiefs, I stipulate that he no longer has anything to do with that crazy ****ed up conniving bitch.

The ONLY time he's ever been in trouble is when she's been pregnant and hormonal.

And let's not overlook the fact that she's an admitted LIAR, who admits to perjury on the tape.

Hell, we don't know that she didn't lie when she accused him of beating her the first time, in Oklahoma.

Liar is as a liar does.

It’s starting to become sickening

Where does he say that?

Am I listening to the wrong video?

FAX

I get that they found evidence that something happened — I’m asking if they will ask the child point blank if one or the other parent abused him?

The biggest question in this thread is who stole FAX’s account?

Very good post here.
Agreed.

Good to know you’ve opined on the video and its content at length without watching it.

Someone does not know the definition of perjury.

They might as well make it illegal to be black if an eavesdrop tape of what a mom says a 3 year old said is something you lose your job over according to white people.

A recording taken at an airport half a world away?

To those of you who keep saying that he didn't admit punching the kid, here it is once again. When she talked about him punching the kid in the chest, he responded, "Okay, so what about you? What you gonna do?"

No denial. No questioning what she was talking about. He said "okay" and shifted the focus to her.

That does not sound like the way an innocent man would respond to an accusation of punching a child.

If your the owner do you need this drama, twice now, drafting him and now this shit show.
Reek cant keep out of news, after getting a 2nd chance, an opportunity of a lifetime.

Now a 3rd chance ? time will tell

Apparently investigators heard the same thing from the child too. What racist spin can we put on that?

In the darkness of the time- that some funny shizzle rite thar

We have proof that his baby momma is a liar.

No reasonable doubt needed.

Yeah, that, the part where they talk about her lying, and where he says she should be terrified of him.... Just too much, man.

My dad along with most of my friends' dads would then be considered "child abusers" which is totally and completely not true. Idk where you were raised but getting whooped with a belt on the rear is nothing out of the norm.

EDIT: now the age is a little concerning. I am not sure if a 3 yr old is warranted a whooping with a belt.

My thoughts exactly. If my wife ever falsely accused me of that, I wouldn’t let it slide by. I would be livid and correct her immediately.

What about a broken arm though?

She's baiting him and pissing him off on purpose.

He's a hothead and she's distracting him and ****ing with his head ON PURPOSE.

You Shut the **** up.....dude

No way! Innocent til proven guilty!


Oh wait he choked her out while she was pregnant

The “that’s why you can’t keep a ****ing man” is what screams the loudest at me. Sounds like he is leaving her.

Apparently, investigators are supposed to keep child investigations confidential. Does that law apply to black people?

If there is a forensic interview of the kid, the quality of it depends on the interviewer and the kids cognitive ability.

I bet a good forensic interview of the kid, would be helpful to Tyreek.

Not defending Hill, but he didn’t know he was being recorded. In private, people aren’t as likely to feel the need to state the obvious (assuming Hill didn’t hit him). That’s probably how the DA viewed it

Kid was getting whipped and pulled away, arm got twisted

Tyreek didn't break his kids' arm.

Well I would think "you should be terrified of me too, bitch" could definitely be taken as a threat. Personally if i told someone that i'm meaning it as threat.

The DA didn't have this recording.

For those of who who are over analyzing and dissecting the argument between the two.

Stop.

It’s pretty tough to know how they typically argue and context behind it. Him not denying the chest punch thing he could be rolling his eyes, banging his head against the wall **** who knows. He could also be ignoring that because maybe it was just wasn’t true or it was but she was over exaggerating something. They are both obviously super dysfunctional who the **** knows with these two.

Did your dad make you hold your arms out so he could punch you in the chest if you cried?

Did your dad choke your mom when she was pregnant?

Agree or disagree on the belt-whipping thing. I personally think it's child abuse, but whatever. We're way past this simply being a spanking.

As someone who knows I deserved getting a wooden spoon to my ass when I acted like a ****ing brat, this is not about what I view child abuse as much as what everyone else does.

Everyone else considers that child abuse, so..

The DA didn't have this tape until today.

And you got your evidence of that from where?

You've got all the circumstantial evidence in the world to tell you that Hill abuses his kid and nothing that suggests the broken arm is the result of an "accident" but that's what you believe. How did you come to that conclusion?

Why didn’t the party who sent this video hand it to the prosecutor?

The police maybe not but DFS would. Maybe not a 3 year old but they would ask age appropriate questions to understand from the child's point of view what happened.

Sometimes you can't ask a child a question directly but you can ask the same question a few different ways to get an answer.


Note I'm not a social worker but my mom was, and worked in the group that did abuse investigation.

Sounds like one of Crystals girlfriends gave the tape to KCTV5 after Crystal recorded it and sent it to her. As far as why she didn't send it to the DA, I don't have a ****ing clue.

Lol you know why. Media paid money for that shit.

It's at the beginning of the video at this link.

https://www.kctv5.com/news/investiga...14b78938f.html

Can you deny? You keep squirming from answering.