I am at a loss why no one seems to think this text exchange is BY FAR the most important "evidence" we have available regarding this case.

The broken arm has been shown to be consistent with an accidental fall.

The police being called to the house occured when Tyreek called them and he was not even present.

The audio tape sounds bad if taken out of context but not so much when listening to all of it.

Is there some other hard evidence that I am missing here?

There's a lot of skepticism that the texts were "natural" rather than sent for the specific purpose of creating a trail for the story they were hoping to portray. I'd love to see a little more context around them.

The people who matter do.

That's why everything was dropped.

Now't just a matter of reversing the verdict in the court of public opinion, which sadly will take a lot longer because people are willfully stupid.

Ask Terez. He’s been on this case since day 1 and has done great reporting on this situation

I can see that... but what other "evidence' has been put forth? So far I've seen a whole lot of absolutely nothing.

Mexican Standoff. That's what you get ... a damn Mexican Standoff. And Baby Mama is Hispanic, for crying out loud.

I don't like our chances.

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You REALLY want him to be guilty and it's showing bud...

If someone harms a child and is proven guilty, lock them up and throw away the key...

This current situation is not shaping up that way IMO

Then you're completely up to speed.

There was the bizarre presser given by the DA dude. That was strange.

He basically kept alive the implication that Tyreek was a monster (which the media slurped up like Chinese noodles) by stating that "a crime has been committed" but they "don't know who committed the crime", etc. etc.

It was one of those, "I can't indict under the law so I'll do it via public opinion" deals. He seemed like the type of guy who shows up drunk at the jailhouse demanding the prisoner or he'll shoot up the whole damn town starting with the Marshal. And, of course, Brooke would have been standing right beside him with a scatter gun.

The entire thing has been a fiasco from beginning to end. If it continues in this direction, I'll feel very sorry for Tyreek.

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Crawling back out of your hole again I see...

Nope, none.

SAUTO is just obtuse.

every part of this is accurate.

Duncan has hated Hill since the team drafted him.

only one thing left to do

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I’ve said for several weeks now that I no longer believe he’ll be charged and that he shouldn’t be.

My early thoughts on this were shaped by the initial story presented by the mom to law enforcement. She backed off that quickly. It has become a quagmire as time has gone all.

All I’m convinced of now is that someone went far too far with hitting a three year old boy with a belt. As long as that child is being protected moving forward, I’m good with that outcome.

WHILE LEARNING AN ENTIRELY NEW POSITION, BTW.

Dude was an RB in college. He never played WR until he got here.

My god, look how quickly the Espinals moved. Tweet was sent at 1:04 and the police report was filed at 2:25.

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The announcement from the da of no charges was a big point for me for two reasons. One, no charges obviously. Two, he seemed to be trying to hard to implicate tyreek. That's not how a da normally acts. It seemed forced to placate people who would assume tyreek was getting away with something because he is famous and good at football.

I also agree with king that there probably was some type of discipline that was probably too much from both parents as well.

The biggest thing for me isn't the texts. If the arm was truly broke just from a fall that's the biggest thing. And at this point I believe that it was purely an accident. The texts would be a really convenient out that could be coordinated very easily. Not that I'm saying they aren't legit, just that they could be faked.

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as Salt N Pepa would say :

It's those things that make ya go "hmmmm".

Wait just a ding-dong desperate demi-second there ...

Am I thinking of another poster? Because I have this very specific memory of you stating on this board that you had "inside information" based on your contacts within the police department. That, combined with your legal expertise, was the basis for your belief that Tyreek was guilty of breaking Damien's arm, punching him in the chest, and whipping him with a belt hard enough to warrant arrest.

Do I have you confused with someone else? If so, I apologize in advance. If not, WTF?

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This seems false. Your thoughts, like others, were shaped well before this whole thing happened and as soon as something came out that could vindicate your disdain for him being on the team you believed it almost without question and wanted him cut basically immediately. Way too many people did the same thing.

It seems to me that a truly virtuous person would "own up" to the fact when he or she jumps the gun and decides that presumption of innocence doesn't apply when you've already built the scaffold and bought the rope.

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"by the mom" = Crystal or Crystal's mom?

Find a post where I said he broke the arm. If it exists, it’s from the first few hours of that Friday afternoon when this broke.

I heard about this before the story broke. From Day 1, what was shared with me was the story with the broken arm checked out but there were injuries consistent with beating with a belt that were far overboard what is acceptable.

I said repeatedly and consistently it wasn’t about the broken arm.

I know a lot of people who work in law enforcement in Overland Park. Police, prosecutors, defense attorneys. Etc. I shared what I could from talking to a few people. I don’t regret that and would do it again.

I did that, in about an 800-word post that was in a thread that apparently has been deleted.

Clif notes were that what I shared early was based on what Espinal told police initially, which she backed off of quickly, and that the situation was too obfuscated to know who went too far and hurt the kid.

That was C+C Music factory, but whatever....

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"Whatever" is right.

Same producers, same ****ing band, different singers.

I thought the whole thing seemed a bit fishy from the get-go. Now that so much time has passed, and there is no smoking gun against Hill, it's obvious that the tide of public opinion has turned.

I find it very interesting that the Star would write all these articles along the lines that "IF Tyreek Hill is guilty...(and wink-wink, nod-nod, we have good sources saying he is)..then he needs to be banned from the league". All of that on rumor. But barely a peep out of them in response to Hill's release of the text messages. Think about all the articles they could have written in response to that and other rumors. Just such a great example of agenda journalism. They are simply looking for a morsel, any morsel that will allow them to virtue signal and lecture us on our moral shortcomings. The grand narrative was to be Clark Hunt creates an atmosphere in which domestic violence is trivialized and we fans are guilty too because...just because.

Actually, this is the problem: it hasn't.

I will say that most of the fan base has changed their tune now.

But fans of other teams? Not at all. Basically no one in the media is exonerating Tyreek. No retractions, no apologies, no one with the balls to due some real virtue signaling by being publicly humbled.

It's going to be left up to the Chiefs to restore the damage that's been done. And the idiots who want to run up a hill as a show of support.

Hill and Trump have so much in common it is scary. :hmmm:

Maybe, maybe not. I think once Goodell comes out and officially clears TH of any wrongdoing other than the conduct policy(secret recording) AND IF and I know it is a BIG IF some big respected national sports media outlet reports "what really happened" (what I call 'scorned extortion') I think you might see some of the tide turn nationally to some degree.

Not all national media(because most are 'progressive SJWs), because I get your point. This was a witch hunt from the words "breakup, you ain't gettin none of my big contract because you are a crazy woman"(back in March). And from that point, Crystal and her family were out to sabotage his career and damn near did it.:shake:

If KCTV5 knew that the recording had another 5-6 minutes to it, I really don’t understand why they would play it to begin with. That is just too much open space to possibly flip everything on its head.

The local media ****ED this one up.

Perhaps for those of us who are not Tyreek Hill or Damien or Baby Mama or anyone else directly associated with this absurd imbroglio, it can all be chalked up as a learning opportunity. I'm good with that. Mainly because I'm uncomfortable judging someone I don't personally know or with whom I have no shared experience.

On the other hand, it appears that a lot of people (including many in the press and on this board and throughout social media) revealed their true selves here. It is a profoundly sad thing to realize that so many otherwise normal humans were so ready to convict Tyreek based on absolutely zero evidence. They used this situation as a frenzied opportunity to promote and highlight their own supposed morality and righteousness and they did it in the face of the known facts. To my mind, there is nothing moral or righteous about damning another person outright in order to make oneself feel better and look better to others.

It makes one wonder how much social bias actually exists in the world. Using this fiasco as a template, I'd say the answer is far too much.

Still, the reality is that it's their credibility. I suppose they can do what they want with it.

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I'd really like to hear the whole tape or at least what happened after the "scared of me too bitch" part.

The same people who are refusing to judge Tyreek are the same people who are judging and calling Christal all types of names despite knowing next to nothing about the case or her. This whole thing is so ****ed up, it's crazy.

You might be thinking of "Twisted Chief" he was supposedly "the guy" with the inside connections to the police giving the board supposed accurate evidence updates.:rolleyes:

You have been against the Chiefs signing Hill since day 1, and you jumped the gun here because you wanted him to be guilty, and fed that fire. You, along with so many Duncan Disciples, couldn't have been more wrong. Maybe you and your inside sources will learn something from this, like innocent until proven guilty, before you try and bury someone again.

He's totally a victim..

That dipshit is gone because he lost a bet with me over Hill... Duncan did his fair share of spewing too, only Duncan is a class guy, who is just overly bent on Tyreek Hill being a Chief, where Twistedchief is a TOTAL POS.

You gotta give Duncan a break because he’s an admitted SJW & they always overreact to these type of situations.

Got It !!;)

Well to be perfectly frank, I'm not absolving Tyreek of any guilt, but honestly is this the hill you're choosing to die on?

What's next?

Did I forget to ask what's your pronoun?

Snowflakes these days...

Yep, snowflake for sure.;)

You are absolutely correct. All the Hill Haters came out in force after Duncans secret source story. I remember because I called him out for putting it on CP and not taking it to the DA which incised the Hill haters even more.

Crystal*

His beef is with Tyreek. He said on air, he never liked or cheered for Tyreek because he's an abuser. Carrington wanted Tyreek released from the beginning.

I'm going to agree with the 1st part of your post, but I'm not sold that it was "agenda journalism" or a slam at Clark. My take is we had a young reporter anxious to get a big notch on her gun breaking this story and now is flailing to her her career afloat. The more senior members at the Star are playing CYA in hopes that they won't find themselves writing the weekend obits. KCTV is is another story. They are owned by a group known for very conservative values.

I'm choosing to die on a hill where I don't have any information so I'm not going to judge either of them too harshly?

Yes. Yes I am. Any further questions?

I'm a little rusty on their names. Hell, I barely know the kids name. I thought it was Damien but then I see people saying Zev. I don't know what to think anymore!!!

Keep politics out of the Lounge.

They can all back-pedal off a cliff...and take that mod with them.

So much veiled racism projected on "the baby....the poor baby."

Horseshit...all of it.

That article shouldn't be portraying Fat Brooke as a victim....she's a journalist (loosely)....and unless she's dumber than a god damn potato, knew the risk involved in breaking a story based on unvetted sources...especially on a local superstar. If she's right...she gets a feather in her career cap...if she's wrong, she pays the price. She had a choice...**** her. KC locals need to kick her ass to the curb...

Reporters should face larger consequences for this kind of thing if this all ends up being true. If what is being said in this story is the truth about the entire situation, she played a huge part in falsely destroying the entire reputation of this man, something that could in turn cost him millions in endorsements as well as his future contract and ruining the way the public forever views his character. While she gets to move on and break more bullsh1t stories he will forever be tainted by her false clickbait reporting.

Hill is definitely far from the first person to suffer assassination of character from this style of reporting, it’s frustrating to me this kind of thing happens with no consequence given the potential damage it causes.

That is what's lost on people..they move on and forget...Hill has to live with it AND the millions it cost him.

Just a side note...did anyone else notice the way Reid ended his last presser...he slammed his hand down on the podium as he left. Chiefs brass are NOT happy with the media...

I am absolutely amazed Teicher never jumped on the witch-hunt. For as much as I loathe his sad-sack shit-articles...he actually stayed away. So props to him...

Has the KC star retracted anything...or written an article apologizing? Nope...KCTV5? Nope....Florio...Nope. No accountability...just attempt to ruin a man's career and walk away.

The Star doubled-down on their bullshit...and kept piling on Hill. They can burn in hell...

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He tapped the podium and finished his presser congratulating the Blues on the Stanley Cup. But nice try with your sensationalization of reality. GTFO with this perpetual speculative bullshit. Andy’s always been vanilla with the press - he doesn’t fear them, nor gives a shit. He says a lot of nothing which is exactly what he should do.
Nothing to see here.

Go **** yourself...your interpretation of real-time, involuntary metaphor is like discussing a lucid dream with a chicken.

"To the base...all things are base"...

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And they broadcast the Chiefs preseason games....though I guess that is separate from their news department...but still.

Let's hope this matter gets resolved enough for him to play every game this season, and soon... We can get to the part where he sues all the idiots who spoke poorly of him for defamation later.

So, you’ve talked to chickens?

Get help.

Jo Mammy... LMAO

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For the record I want Hill to play on the team this year and then to tag and trade him for a first next year.

The main reason is that he makes poor decisions and I mean very poor decisions. Its one thing to be paid 500K-2 million a year and make bad decisions all the time but to be paid 18-20 million per year and make these decisions is a different story as they can hamstring a team.

At the very least he makes bad decisions staying with CR, I mean if she is responsible for everything ( which could be try, IDK) all he should of done was go to the chiefs a long time ago and just tell them, " look guys I don't know what to do but I need help, my GF is crazy and I need help to get out" I'm sure the Chiefs would of been more than accommodating getting him out of that situation.

I'd imagine that the truth is somewhere in-between but even is it wasn't his poor decision making skills are enough for me to just tag and trade for another first and move on.

I'm not following the twists and turns of the Hill case. That article was so poorly written that I quit trying to push through it to find the new information and facts. Is there a cliff notes version somewhere in this thread? A couple of bullet points?

What poor “decisions” has he made since being drafted?

Black Op and Buckethead.

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Staying with the crazy bitch?
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It's "would have", or "would've"....not "would of".

JFC. Third grade called - you are STILL flunking spelling.

What a crock of shit. I don't know who owns KCTV5. Given your comment, I'm assuming Sinclair. You're insane if you think KCTV5 is filled with Republican operatives or is micromanaged by corporate headquarters. Guarantee you it is filled with SJWs (and the mods better not ding me for the use of this word as it was used in response to a political post by Oldman.)

And regarding the Star, it was more than Brooke Pryor. The whole staff was trying to out-virtue signal each other with each article that came out.

Seriously? There are some forums where I would correct grammar, CP is not one of them. I'm assuming that 'would of' is a pet peeve of yours (it's annoying to me too) but still man. Plus, that isn't a spelling issue, it is grammar. (I'm only correcting you because you did to him.)

I feel as if this thread is soon to be rompered.

Total pet peeve, but for him to go off on how Tyreek "makes poor decisions" and yet not know the difference between "would have", "would've" and "would of" is like nails on a ****ing chalkboard.

Yep. Pretty much nailed it... This place can be such a joke these days, that you feel the need to have a disclaimer in your post about mod censorship, basically coming from 2 mods. :lame:

Post 15 and 17 seem to be decent recaps.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...4&postcount=15

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...7&postcount=17

Fair enough.

My brother hypnotized a chicken one time. He sat that chicken on a fence post and hypnotized its ass right there. That chicken stayed on the post for an hour just staring blankly into the sky. Never moved once.

I've often wondered what that chicken was thinking about.

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One option, of course, is that under hypnosis, the chicken thought he was Harry Truman.

That seems consistent with its behavior ...

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Titling it "Hilluva story" is sooooo cringeworthy

I have a question. Again not challenging, just curious.

Where and when was the exact origin of the Espinal / FBI investigation? Seems like a *huge* ****ing deal, but I can’t remember who had the source or what the story was.

810 reported that investigation into Crystal's mental condition. I don't think any mainstream sources have mentioned the extortion thing, though I could be wrong.

Yip!!!!!

Another possibility is that the chicken thought it was Thomas Hearns meditating before the big fight. I also considered that.

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