I heard they were helping load Tunsil's U-HAUL that's headed to KC?

We had a bigger need last year as we needed a warm body at DE so we could kick Jones back inside. I understand they have a different skillset, but Dunlap already fills that role.

It would cost us virtually nothing to acquire Hughes. There's no reason not to try and improve this team everywhere they can.

Isn't Danna coming back soon?

Yeah, i'd rather just keep the pick. I just dont think he's a net positive in any meaningful way other than depth. We're just gonna have to disagree on that one.

Here’s my question about him, and I’m a fan of how he plays.

Would he be motivated to play a very limited role here?

Danna is getting healthy
Clark is a vet that the coaches seem to trust for sone reason
Dunlap is solid, but doesn’t offer a speed rush aspect
Karlaftis needs reps to continue to grow into a bigger role
Jones has been sliding out to end at times

Will he be motivated to play for a team that has a REAL shot at winning a ring? I think so.

Which I did suggest previously - but remember, because his 2023 salary is guaranteed, he has no incentive to take a paycut. So if you reduce his hit next year, it's going to be via a bonus that turns into dead money the following year.

I knew that was the structure of his deal - I'm not at all worried about this year's figure. I'm trying to figure out how to get Houston to eat some of NEXT year's money, hence my suggestion of him agreeing to a new deal with Houston before being traded.

As for the bonus money - already paid. It's strictly an accounting measure. His cap hit for this season for an acquiring team would be just his pro-rated base so, like $900K.

If Houston's looking to 'eat' any money, it has to be next season's. Unless some reporter is acting like Houston is being noble in agreeing to absorb accelerated bonus charges upon trading a player, as though that's not going to happen by rule already.

Karlaftis, sadly, may actually need fewer reps. He's not progressing right now. Perhaps putting less weight on his shoulders will help there.

Dunlap and Hughes are solid complements to each other.

Danna has exactly 3 weeks in his career where he's been a genuine asset. Otherwise he's just been a solid little space-filler; You can't exactly bank on him staying at a high(ish) level.

Jones is sliding outside by necessity as often as not. Let's figure out a way to prevent that.

Frank Clark ****ing Sucks.

There's absolutely room for 25-30 snaps/gm for Hughes here. And he can still do plenty of damage in those snaps.

I would give a 6th for Hughes. He would be an excellent rotational rusher

Backing up your point, he seems to be performing pretty well.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Double team rate/pass rush win rate by Robert Quinn. Average PRWR, but on an insane number of double teams (data from <a href="https://twitter.com/SethWalder?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SethWalder</a>)<br><br>That&#39;s going away in Philly <a href="https://t.co/k5tX2Xt3ou">pic.twitter.com/k5tX2Xt3ou</a></p>&mdash; Benjamin Solak (@BenjaminSolak) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1585365528138616832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Now this I like.

Look at Jerry Hughes on that list.

/shrug.

WTF do i know. Lol

Jerry Hughes is above him so...well...whatever.

By the graph, they get doubled about the same amount of times. Jerry Hughes is just better at beating them.

Again, for a 5th or 6th rounder, he's absolutely worth it. Especially if Quinn brought a 4th.

Ouch George!

Just for shits and grins I'm now posting the dt chart of the same


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Double team rate at defensive tackle (x) by pass rush win rate at defensive tackle (y).<br><br>-Clear top tier of two: Jones and Donald. <br><br>-Maliek Collins a bright spot for Texans<br><br>-Just half a sack for Christian Wilkins but nice win rate.<br><br>-Strong numbers for D. Jones, Q. Williams <a href="https://t.co/rirqCg2RNG">pic.twitter.com/rirqCg2RNG</a></p>&mdash; Seth Walder (@SethWalder) <a href="https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/1585325803692326912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hughes getting the same number of doubles and winning at a higher rate than Quinn.

He's absolutely worth adding.

Chris Jones is good at football

That’d be bitchin

Yeah - like I said, we would probably be well served to dial his snaps back a bit.

A George/Danna rotation w/ Clark/Hughes and/or Dunlap on the other side would probably work pretty nicely.

Hughes/Dunlap would really just be based on matchups. Dunlap just isn't going to beat a guy like OBJ, for example. But he can beat guys he can overpower.

A guy like Hughes would struggle with an athletic tackle but be able to handle someone like OBJ much better than Dunlap could.

And man, on any given day you just don't know what Clark's bringing to the ballyard with him. You need someone you can count on to step in and take key reps on days that he has a rumbly tumbly or whatever the **** excuse it is we'll be making for him again in a few weeks.

This ain't a DE group that doesn't have room for a quality veteran like Hughes.

But we can't trade for a pass rusher because we need a tackle/CP

Offer a 4 for Green/Hughes; accept a 3 if necessary to get it over the top.

Send a 5 to the Eagles for Dillard.

Dillard has a nice pedigree and really good tools. Just getting him in here to practice with the team for 1/2 a season would give us a great idea of what we may have in him this off-season. If you think that's a guy that can step in as a legit pass-protecting RT like Schwartz was (and again, his athleticism is really his strength) then you've gotten more than your money's worth from that 5th rounder.

It isn't JUST about this year with Dillard, even though he's a pending FA. You'd get to see him in your system and learn a lot about whether or not he's a viable solution going forward.

That's where I'm at too. I would make the Green/Hughes trades the priority. Offense is obviously not the biggest problem on this team. However, if they are able to swing a trade for anyone they believe will help to win this year without sacrificing the future they should absolutely do it.

Yes, he is. I'm trying to remember the people on here who said he wasn't worth the contract. LMAO

Probably the first year you could say with near certainly that Chris Jones is the best interior defender.

People were calling him “Business Decision” after he missed one of the 2019 playoff games IIRC

I would say this is as close to a Chris Jones Extension thread as we have.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...s#post15066279

Phew - glad I didn't **** that up...

Honestly....if we were going to be looking for a RB don't know why we did kick the tires on James Robinson considering what the Jags gave him away for.

Very reasonable.


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Jerry Hughes should be on Bart Vagich’s list.


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Because you need a Frank Clark when Frank Clark is not on the field because he's doing Frank Clark things?

:shrug:

The same chart for DEs shows that Clark is better than Khalil Mack.

What a value signing!

He's the front runner for DMVP right now right?

I'm fully aboard the Hughes train. Doesn't hurt that he'd likely be going against his former team (Buffalo) in the playoffs. Seems like guys find an extra bit of motivation in that scenario, even if the split wasn't acrimonious.

No, this was more recent. Last season or this one.

I don't get the trades that Chicago made. They traded Mack to the Chargers and Quinn to the Eagles. Both players that would have helped the Chiefs immensely. You would think that a GM that just got his chance from Kansas City would have been giving Veach first dibs on those guys. Maybe Veach just wasn't interested in trading for either of them. But I would think that surely he was. Especially getting Mack if for no other reason than to keep him from going to a division rival.

LMAO what?

If your GM is doing favors for other teams instead of only acting in the best interest of his current franchise, then he needs to be fired immediately.

Who says that he couldn't do both? Is a Chiefs draft pick worth less than an Eagles draft pick? I mean, teams have other teams that they work with more than others all over the league. It's not unreasonable to expect the Chiefs and Bears to be just such an example with the Ryan Poles connection

Poles job is to make the best decisions for the Bears and to get the best possible deal in any trade for the team he works for. Some made up loyalty he should have to Veach or the Chiefs should not play into it at all.

I think you all need to lay off jjchieffan, he was obviously saying....everything else equal(trade compensation) or very very close Poles should of worked something out with Veach.

Not hard to understand what jj was saying

The Chiefs have been the gold standard of the NFL since Patrick Mahomes became QB.

If offered a same-round pick by the Chiefs and the Eagles, you'd take the Eagles each and every day. The Chiefs have the least valuable draft pick in the league in terms of trade value and that's just a function of our success.

No one is doing anyone any favors.

With 99% confidence, I'm sure I said to trade him. Probably not the best idea, but of course things didn't look rosy on the outcome at the time either.

Why would you want the Chiefs to trade Jones? Literally, WTF?

Speaking of Poles he looks like he traded Quinn to the Eagles per NFL.com

I had to experience a level of stupid akin to the people who still want Kareem Hunt back on this team or to trade for every broke dick on the planet.

More or less, he was going to be insanely expensive on a team that was juggling contracts and I was convinced KC would get a haul for him, including the ability to end up in a position to draft Derrick Brown or Javon Kinlaw as well as add more to the D-Line in what looked like a loaded draft.

It's not that I didn't like him but I'm also of the opinion that the only player you ever consider untradable is a true franchise QB. In the end, it's a business and sometimes they gotta make business decisions. It's a big reason Tyreek isn't here, and Tyreek is special. I suggested trading him as well.

I wanted Jones traded because he has literally done nothing in the playoffs. I don't think that means he sucks it's just if he is so great why can't he impact a playoff game.

2 tfl, 9 pass defense, and zero sacks in 12 career playoff games.

Yeah? Teams trading with the Chiefs assume that best case scenario they'll get the 28th pick in each round.

If it makes you feel better, we probably don't have the opportunity to play as many playoff games without his production in the regular season.

It's ridiculous to hold his playoff stats against him as if the guy just stops trying at that point in the season.

Uh. The Eagles look like the best team in the NFC right now. Their pick has just as high of a chance of being 29-32 as the Chiefs

This is the only way I'd ever want him back. Then I'd cut the SOB. Lie to your coach and owner and this is what you get.

No they don't. Ask any person which team they'd put their money on to make it further in the playoffs this year and in future years (cause draft picks can also come from future years) and they overwhelmingly say Chiefs.

I'm not saying he sucks he is easily the 2nd best DT in the league. Just produce when it matters. Imagine if he had zero sacks through 10 regular season games. What would everyone be saying about him?

Damn, that Quinn trade is an excellent move by those horse-shit-eating bastards.

He won us a Super Bowl.

He was easily the most dominant defensive player we had in that game and 2nd only to Nick Bosa among all defenders.

Without Chris Jones, that 50 year drought is up to 53...

If the Buccaneers get blown out by the Ravens I expect the Buccaneers to be sellers.

I doubt it. That division is trash and they would probably still win it. Brady won't allow anyone good to get traded. Bucs would be stupid to give away draft picks with Brady out the door next year.

LMAO

As long as they're mathematically in it, they aren't going to do that with Brady.

They wouldn't be giving away draft picks, they'd be acquiring them as sellers. That said, I don't see them giving up on Bradys last season.

A team could realistically take that division with 7 wins.

There's no way the Bucs will sell. Brady didn't fire his marriage into the sun to see a week 8 sell-off...

If the Bucs did that, he would definitely break mentally.

**** Philadelphia.
Hope they go 6-11.

Philly might be the easiest team to root for in the entire NFC.

I can't bring myself to hate the Giants or the Seahawks either, but I don't dislike the Eagles at all.

Agreed. Jalen Hurts also makes them very easy to root for.

Dude is a great leader and has the heart of a champion. He's come such a long way from his college days, you just know that he's obsessed with being great. I honestly think he is or is going to be everything people think/wish Lamar is.

With his skill set and limitations, I'm not sure if you actually win a SB with him, but I don't think he's just going to be dogshit in the playoffs either.

Boy if the Eagles don’t make the SB this year it’s a direct indictment of Hurts. It’s never gonna be easier for him in this league.

They are the best overall roster in football and their competition is so weak.

I remember when he played for St. Louis - is he any good Pest?

Dude went to high school (Channelview HS, just east of Houston) a couple of miles down the road from where I lived at the time. I used to referee high school football games, and did a lot of his games. He was fun to watch back then also.

Of course, he doesn't have the incentive to move money around, he just gets it up front instead of weekly if he does move it to a bonus. If getting the same money and he can help the team massage a few million on the cap then he's being a good teammate.

As for the Texans eating 2023 money in the deal, I'd say there is exactly a zero percent chance that happens.

I am going to be freaking acrimonious soon if we don't sign some piece of shit!

Given that somebody has to make it to the SB from the NFC, I would be happy with Philly (or Seahawks, not happening but would be a hoot, just because Geno/Denver).

Don't hate Giants. Not really a fan unless they are playing the Cowboys.

He'll be better than Lamar in the long run IMHO. Lamar still can't read a defense nor can he hit the broadside of barn. And Hurts is far better than Rypien and Dilfer so for me he is more than adequate to win a SB.

Have you considered that earth is 6 year old

Trade Deadline
 

Absolutely

Teams would consider a Chiefs 2nd round pick a 3rd, a 3rd round pick a 4th round, etc…


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Pass Rush

Robert Quinn for a 4th was a no-brainer.... why weren't we in on this?!

For all we know, they were in on it and just got outbid.

Fair. But a 4th!? Seems like in the offseason the price was expected to be significantly higher after an 18.5 sack season!!! A 4th is a steal!!!

I would have happily offered a 3rd.