Burrow and Hurts have two guys, plus quality TEs. Allen has Diggs. I want to see Pat and Andy at full strength again, and not having to game plan and scramble around the lack of a #1 wideout. That they got done what they did with these receivers blows my mind.

I’m sure Veach doesn’t mind paying for a guy who can come in right away making an immediate impact. It’s smarter than drafting an unproven rookie in my opinion. The transition from college to the NFL would seem more of a gamble when there’s a proven WR in D-Hop. I say be aggressive and go get Hopkins.

I don’t think they will have another draft like last years. Not because they aren’t great at what they do, odds are you just won’t get that again

So a single pick and money for a player isn’t out of the questions

Hopkins wouldn’t be my first choice

I'm not sure why D Hop is the only guy that could do that.

Everyone wants to “just draft and develop cheap players”

Yes. That’s ideal.

Team building isn’t ideal. If you can get a guy you think is an elite player for less than a premium, you do it

Without DHop, but with Chris Jones, Sneed, a quality LT, a quality RT, Nick Bolton, and a GM who drafts well-The Chiefs could 3 peat.

You sign Dhop, you probably have to cut MVS, and you're back to hero ball. Only not as good, because Hopkins is no Tyreek Hill.

This whole thought process is dumb.

This offense was BETTER with a more diverse but less individually great corps of weapons. It's like you guys just didn't notice.

You have Mahomes chiefs fans.

Alex smith isn’t your QB and Marty isn’t walking though the door to coach.

Stop acting so desperate.

**** no to this aging scrub.

You ****ers are impossibly dumb.

Guys...it's literally like this.

You sign Hopkins, you have to let other talented players go. You create holes. We don't need to spend that kind of money at WR, we just had the #1 offense in football.

You want to spend more money on the offense? Well, I for one would prefer to see a healthy Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl. We haven't seen that in awhile. Give me better OT play and we'll roll with the receivers we've got. And we'll DRAFT and DEVELOP our stars instead of overpaying for other teams' cast-offs.

This thread proves chiefs fans Do NOT appreciate Mahomes.

90s ****ing ruined this fanbase.

I noticed us down to guys like Marcus Kemp in the playoffs. It is amazing that we won. Mahomes needs weapons. Even Superman has the Justice League to have his back.

Difference between weapons and trading your future for aging vets because the 90s said we should.

Russell Wilson, Russell Wilson, Russell Wilson

Thank you.

DHop is already under contract until 2024. Why not take the short-term gain WITHOUT hamstringing the future cap? Both things can be possible. Veach is a cap wizard. If he thinks he can fit DHops contract in the cap for 2023 and 2024 without sacrificing future in-house free agents (Sneed, Bolton, Humphrey, etc...) go for it. Give up a 2ndish rounder to maximize Mahomes and Reid chances for rings #3 and #4.

D Hop is a scrub?

He looked pretty dang good last year. Better than any receiver we had. You can double Kelce or D Hop, but not both.

At what cost vs drafting players on rookie contracts.

Who says you can’t get a player that’s better?

I cant get Mahomes' SB postgame presser comments and what he said at the parade out of my head. "I like our chances again next year". Nothing goes down in that organization that Mahomes doesnt know about. I think Mahomes knows Veach and that front office are in position to make some power moves this offseason. Im not saying DHop is one of those dominoes but would not at all be surprised of it was.

We struck lightening in a bottle with winning this championship with so many rookies tbh. And realistically our roster was not better than many teams in this league so I think expecting to be able to pull that off again consistently is naive. Pat won his first SB with Tyreek and Watkins at wideout and an experienced defense..so let's not act like that way isn't a good path to take too. When there's a chance to grab a hall of fame guy you have to seriously consider it imo.

He’s past his prime. Stop living in the past.

Just ducking quit.

Again. Another poster not appreciating Mahomes.

He either didn't watch the Cardinals play after Hopkins came back from suspension - because he was a top 3 WR for a 7 game stretch - or he has zero ability to recognize talent. Because no matter how anyone feels about picking him up, there's no way he can be categorized as a scrub, or washed up, etc.

Look at his freaking numbers. He's unstoppable outside. He couldn't be covered. That was with Murray and Colt McCoy. Imagine Mahomes throwing to him.

I totally get what you are saying and it makes perfect sense.

Then I think about D Hop and Kelce being unstoppable forces. MVS taking the top off defenses, forcing teams to keep a Safety back, which gives Pacheco a chance to eat up some yards on the ground.

Toney and Sky Moore keeping teams off balance with Jet Sweeps. Noah Gray and Ju Ju dominate lessor counter parts to keep the chains moving.

This would close to having the 2018 Offense again. :drool:

Hopkins would be awesome to have. I think that the Chiefs could go undefeated with him added to the offense. Thankfully, they have a new GM and the pain the ass that wanted too much for Patrick Peterson is gone, so maybe a deal can be made.

You guaranteeing 3-5 years of HOF play without injury? I’d you can promise that. Then maybe.

Oof did you miss us against Tampa scoring 9?

I get the #1 offense stuff but we didn't get a ton out of WR. I get Skyy is just coming into his 2nd season, and Toney has huge potential if he can stay healthy, but this offense goes through Kelce.

So while I'd love to see Hopkins chase rings with KC, he's probably playing within a similar window as Kelce, so I'd rather use those resources to try and develop the next pass catching producer for the next 4-5+ years.

Thank you.

And when the play breaks down, Mahomes and D Hop can play some back yard football, that would be entertaining for sure.

In 4-5 years that dudes looking to get paid and the same suspects will be saying to let him go...

Hey OP, needs a simple yay or nay poll so Veach knows where CP is on this next time he logs on.

Right but it layers the production over years.

We need someone(s) to replace Kelce's production in a couple years. If we can do that and fit in Hopkins, I'm all for it, but I think for KC its more about layering the development at skill positions so you're not filling multiple holes when guys either drop off or command big contracts.

Hypothetically:

What if the Chiefs give a 3rd and a 6th this year and a conditional 4th next year for Hopkins?

He reworks his deal to a 4-year contract that will be more team-friendly with plenty of outs down the road and a smaller cap hit this year.

Mahomes to Hopkins combo averages 1200 yards and 9 TD's for the next 4 years. And we win 3 SB's.

Would you pull the trigger?

Absolutely

Lolz, I don't think anyone's really banging on the table here. We're really just blue-skying more than anything. Chill a little. We're just having a bit of fun. It's the offseason. it's talk about the absurdity of having DHop, or talk about the new terminal additions at KCI.:p

Two things though: Veach seemed to believe that he could keep CJ and the rest of the defense intact (minus probably Frank), keep OBJ, and sign Hill last year. So he had a plan on how to fit all that under the cap. So if Veach does acquire DHop I have no doubt he'll be able to do it without having to lose Bolton, Sneed, and the rest. Veach wouldn't go get DHop and trash the rest of the team. He's not that stupid.

Second, signing DHop doesn't mean we have to play hero ball. At all. He isn't going to run endless go routes; he's a complete, elite WR that can run every route. The go routes are probably the ones he won't run. Or at least not nearly as often. And who cares if we lose MVS in the process? I mean, he did a great job for us, but really he's just a limited role speed receiver; we could probably draft a guy that could be developed into an MVS clone by November. Pure speed is replaceable through the draft.

DHop, though, tilts the field. 90+% of secondaries can't single him up. he was considered the best WR in the NFL just a couple seasons ago. And he's still one of the best in the game vs. both man and zone, something JuJu isn't. He even has the advantage over Hill, in part due to that huge catch radius. But you can't single up Travis either. It creates a conundrum that most defenses will not be able to solve, especially with Pat under center. DHop is basically as unguardable as Kelce.

And that opens to the door to an array of possibilities that . . . well, some are probably unimaginable. But two SB Rings in a row becomes nearly inevitable. Three in a row seems almost likely. 6,000 yards/60 TDs? how about doing it twice in a row? Perfect season? Perfect seasons?

It's like dreaming you're in Wonka's Chocolate Factory.

Absolutely as long as we have Mahomes we don’t have to panic or reek of desperation….

Did you miss the PS OL we put in front of Mahomes? You seriously think we score 9 points if even 3 of our starting OL was on the field?

How about the fact that our receivers, including Hill, inexplicably allowed multiple passes to hit them in the facemask? Several for what would've been TDs?

Hell, we played the Bucs this season with this OL and punked them for over 40 points. Could've been 50+, but we shut it down.

Seriously, were you paying attention to the fact that our entire starting OL didn't play in that game?

Yes I think it'll be completely swell to be Green Bay and expect our QB to carry scrubs every year.

2 years. Likely 2 Super Bowls, which are possible without him but probable with him. Everyone gets rings. No new deal. Then off he goes and we get a comp.

Yeah, if we can afford him, this seems likely. Two years of insanely good offense, a couple rings, and then DHop rides off to his next team or whatever. We'd never be able to afford him long-term.

I would take DHop in a heartbeat IF he wants a Championship Ring more than $$ which means he is willing to play ball financially. This dude is a pure "BALLER" and sooooooooo CLUTCH!. Now all this talk that he is old I beg to differ to some degree. He left the Texans in his prime for AZ and was not used properly primarily because Kyler Murray is Kyler Murray. IMO he still has a lot of miles still left on those wheels and is hungry.

I agree. I dont think people realize how pivotal Kelce is. The next two years we need to go for it. You actually can give stuff up for 2025 and beyond because of how good Mahomes is. Maybe you can get lucky in those years beyond Kelce. you cant count on getting a Top 3 TE in league history again. Getting a real #1 WR is a huge priority for this team.

We can afford a top 5 WR for 2 years at $17M AAV. And we can afford the picks.

I'm usually against these types of moves but this guy is an exception. He was on my FF team + I live down here so I watched every game he played and watched him closely. You can't cover him outside. Patrick has a knack for revitalizing guys, and it's time we take the load off him and give him a #1 for 2 seasons for $13M/yr less than Tyreek wanted. DHop would put up MONSTER numbers with Mahomes, Reid, and Kelce.

Yeah, I'm up here in Anthem, so I've watched a lot of DHop. He's still incredible. Went to two ARI games this season, one last season, so got to see him in person, and he's still a beast.

And I agree that it'd be nice to have that type of receiver to take some of the pressure off Mahomes.

And Kelce for that matter. Kelce ain't getting any younger, and the last three seasons we've watched him kind of pace himself through the last quarter or so of the season, until the playoffs. Letting someone else take the bag every few games , or even every other, might add a year or two to his career.

So now Mahomes is Rogers?

Unreal. There isn’t anything else that needs to be said. Your opinion of Mahomes is noted.

That's not what he said.

His cap hit would be $19.4 and $14.9 million the next two seasons. Arizona would eat $22.6 million of his signing bonus.

Maybe I imagined it, but it almost seemed like Murray got jealous of all the attention DHop got after he came back from suspension. Seemed like he started trying to freeze him out. I thought DHop looked just as good if not better with McCoy when Murray went down for a couple games. Then Murray came back and he and DHop got into that spat on the sidelines. I'm going to give DHop the benefit of the doubt on that one since everyone knows what a bitch Murray is. Then Murray tore his ACL and they were just playing out the string.

Give DHop a QB like Patrick with Reid scheming and he'd go nuts.

In my excitement of having and other decade+ of Mahomes, I honestly hadn’t considered the sub-window of Mahomes + Kelce together at maximum velocity. I figure it is 2-3 years, when Kelce slows down or bows out for a media career.

Couple that window with Reid’s age/health as another overlapping factor, I don’t mind us taking big swings (like this one) this off-season and next. I think our Tyreek move + awesome draft haul bought us that luxury, if Veach is on board.

Don’t overpay in comp or cap, and ensure we draft for well again this year, and let’s roll.

Hopkins is a killer on the field so of course it would never work with an entitled excuse maker like Kyler.

We were able to flip Tyreek because Maheid doesn't need 2 stud pass catchers to win a SB.

It would be fun to experience but I don't love the thought of having to replace Hopkins and Kelce at the same time but we got Vert Breach backfilling so if he's on board then you KNOW I am.

Yeah, that might be a thing. And I almost feel bad for DHop at this point, which is kind of funny because I know that DHop can be a little bit of a douche and he was a Texan, but you can see how much he wants to win, and how frustrated he's become with Murray and I think Kingsbury's offense as well. But mostly he just hates losing.

Playing with Andy, Pat and Kelce? He'd feel like it was Christmas every single week. Play to win, but not have to carry the load to make it happen? Not sure he's ever been in that situation.

This is it right here. Prime age Mahomes in waning years of Andy and Kelce. Don't want to look back and feel like we didnt push all the chips in on offense to see what's possible. Let's top 2018 but with a young, speedy, relatively inexpensive defense.

That's a nice way to put words in my mouth.

I'm mixed on DeHop. If he would play on his current contract may be.

But I have no faith in Toney's health, limited faith in JuJu's health, limited faith in Skyy to become the WR we all want to see.

Kelce is an iron man but he's not getting younger.

Not a lot of guarantees in this business. Discount WRs are going to have some sort of downside.

The stats prove that your notion is bs.

It's like Russell Wilson, JJ Wyatt and Julio Jones didn't just happen

Yes.

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Great post.

People talk about emulating the Patriots but there was a decade where Brady and Belichick won no Super Bowls.

Go get 2 more Chips with Kelce still here.

Exception not the rule,

We also do not want to waste Mahomes prime by not putting quality players around him when possible.

Because his camp has already said they want a new deal as part of any trade.

You guys are making me agree with BleedingRed.

Veach and Andy have always talked about putting alot of weapons around Pat. This year was more of a "we got caught with the Tyreek thing a bit late and pivoted" kind of thing. I think exception not the rule is the way going forward.

Of course they do.

But we aren't any old team, we're the Chiefs.

Worth exploring if he would play for us as is.

Certainly worth exploring. But he's going to want a new contract. I think that's the deal-breaker.

Even if we could get him to play as is for 1 year I pull the trigger.

If he needs 25 million plus now then we go elsewhere.

I agree 100%.

I like the idea but not if he wants Tyreek money. I agree with others about keeping him under his current contract for 2023 and then look at an extension during 2024 before he becomes a FA.

I'd also want to throw MVS into the trade as I feel the need for that extra cap space is outweighed by his production.

Cards get:
MVS
2023 2nd

Chiefs get:
DHop


Chiefs will save $7M by trading MVS. You add in DHops $19.45M, that will only be a net of $12.45M for him.

I mean like, if they can afford to do it **** it why not

Im aftaid we would get DHop. Break the single season scoring record. Lose AFC Championship game due to some dumb reason or back luck and then in typical fan fashion everyone would blame Dhop and go see we should have just kept MVS. Because thats the only way fans can think

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I have read this many times and it is always speculation. Fair to assume but I have not seen a single quote from D Hop or his Team that states he would demand a new contract.

If someone has it I'd like to see it but Ive read everything I could find and there is nothing but speculation so far.

My guess is it depends on where he is traded. This man wants to WIN! If a team like the Chiefs want him he may be fine with his current contract.

If he goes to a shitty team then of course he would ask for the Bag, who wouldnt?

Not for a 2nd I wouldn't be happy dude has a lot of baggage.

Such as?

I! Have! Heard! Of! HIM!!!!!

Think some of it depends whether he has a no trade clause. Some talk that his PED suspension voided the no trade clause.

If he has one then he probably can and will demand a extension and to the right team. If he doesn't then the question is does the new team want to deal with a potentially unhappy player. But I doubt his team is really doing much of anything until Arizona says look we have an acceptable deal to ...

What baggage are you speaking of?

He'll be 31, big contact, has a history of knee and hamstring injuries, looking at tape looks like he lost a step and oh yea got busted for PEDs and suspended for half a season. WTF do you mean "What baggage"?

Big contract?

Have you seen what elite WRs are going for lately?

He will be a Raven within a week of them trading Lamar

Also apparently brought baby mama drama to the Texans locker room.

Don’t need that mojo around the Chiefs.

He is over paid but the Cardinals will be eating most of the cap hit...So 19 and 14 is cheap (and probably what we have set aside for a wr.) as long as you think he is going to be more productive then JuJu. The 2nd round pick is the tough part of it. Which makes it important that he will need to produce more then just resigning Juju.

Oct 20 - 10 rec 103 yds
Oct 30 - 12 rec 159 yds 1 TD
Nov 6 - 4 rec 36 yds 1 TD (The Midget left early due to a strained vag)
Nov 13 - 10 rec 98 yds (QB Colt McCoy)
Nov 21 - 9 rec 91 yds (QB Colt McCoy)
Nov 27 - 4 rec 87 yds 1 TD
Dec 12 - 7 rec 79 yds (QB Colt McCoy)
Dec 18 - 7 rec 60 yds (QB Trace McSorley)