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Chiefs Pantalones 12-03-2011 06:41 PM

If OU beats OSU tonight, then **** it, let's have a rematch. Someone shoot me in the face if that happens.

DaKCMan AP 12-03-2011 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward Dante (Post 8164452)
I'm really interested in what you do here. I think OU beats OSU tonight so all the rematch debate will be moot, but what happens if in the rematch Alabama beats LSU by 3 or less? Who do the voters award the national championship to? I'd still vote for LSU for winning on the road but others may disagree.

The AP can go their own way, but the voters for polls affiliated with the BCS are contractually obligated to vote the BCSNCG winner #1.

Old Dog 12-03-2011 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward Dante (Post 8164452)
I'm really interested in what you do here. I think OU beats OSU tonight so all the rematch debate will be moot, but what happens if in the rematch Alabama beats LSU by 3 or less? Who do the voters award the national championship to? I'd still vote for LSU for winning on the road but others may disagree.

If I'm not mistaken, the rules in place say the Coaches are mandated to vote for the winner of the BCS Championship game. If I am, I'm certain someone will correct me shortly.

SPchief 12-03-2011 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward Dante (Post 8164452)
I'm really interested in what you do here. I think OU beats OSU tonight so all the rematch debate will be moot, but what happens if in the rematch Alabama beats LSU by 3 or less? Who do the voters award the national championship to? I'd still vote for LSU for winning on the road but others may disagree.

:banghead: Which is why there shouldn't be a rematch. The winner of the title game wins the title. The AP could award their version of the Championship to someone else though.

tk13 12-03-2011 06:43 PM

I think it's hard to make the case that LSU and Alabama aren't the two best teams.

But these things are all subjective. You can definitely say Oklahoma State's loss was worse, and it was... but if you look at precedent, that hasn't always mattered. Michigan's only loss a couple years ago was to #1 and it didn't matter. It definitely would be fun to see Oklahoma State's offense go up against LSU's D. I would love to see LSU's defense and secondary against a really good college QB like Weeden or Luck or Griffin.

DaKCMan AP 12-03-2011 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 8164456)
Man, these SEC fans are good. The hate email came in before the column was even finished.
Hey Reilly:
I hope you get gangrene on your nose. Your so-called "article" ridiculing an LSU-Alabama rematch for the national championship was stupid. Just because you thought the first one was "boring" does not mean these are not the two best teams. Go back to your spider hole. --Jimmy Tomjack, Birmingham, Ala.

The first LSU-Alabama game was more boring than Tim Tebow's porn stash. To play another one will be like remaking "J. Edgar" or attending a goiter convention.
But that's not why there should be no Dullapalooza II on Jan. 9 in the Superdome. There shouldn't be one because it makes the BCS honchos liars. This is their Twitter handle: @EveryGameCounts. But how can every game count if it doesn't matter who won the first one?
If you remember, LSU won the first game -- which resembled hippos taking a mud bath -- 9-6 (in OT, no less), in Tuscaloosa. Didn't hurt the Tide any. They're going to get a mulligan if we don't stop it. You have to figure, too, that, if Alabama had won, then LSU would only have one loss and the Tigers would get the redo. This is because, apparently, no conference can really play football in this country except the SEC, which invented the sport in 2006.
Meanwhile, four one-loss teams that didn't get two shots at the title will be playing in the Black Friday Pepper Spray Bowl. Afterward, they'll tweet about it at @EveryGameCountsUnlessAnSECTeamLoses.


A team that didn't even make its conference title game will be playing in the national title game? It's like Rick Perry withdrawing from the primaries and then going up against President Barack Obama.



Dear Communist:
You have the brains of half a worm. It's true that Alabama didn't qualify for their own conference title game, but they're still the second-best team in the country by a country mile. Go drink a can of Raid.
--Jacktom Jimmy, Tuscaloosa, Ala.


Sorry. Alabama playing in the title game is bonkers. A team that didn't even make its conference title game will be playing in the national title game? It's like Rick Perry withdrawing from the primaries and then going up against President Obama.
But imagine how idiotic this system is through LSU's binoculars. While the Bayou Bengals are beating their brains out against Georgia in the conference title game this Saturday at the Georgia Dome -- aka, the crime scene -- Alabama will be enjoying chicken wings and "Tosh.0" reruns and resting up. "I won't lie to you," Alabama linebacker Dont'a Hightower told The Associated Press. "It's going to be good to get a week off. A lot of guys are banged up."
Welcome to BCS logic.

Of course, if Alabama wins Walking Dead II, the Tide will be … what? National champions? How? They'll have one loss, same as all the other contenders. They'll have split the home-and-home series with LSU. They won't even have won their SEC division, much less their conference. Yet they could wind up petting the crystal football.
Wouldn't that be special?

Yo, jackwagon:


You rail against a rematch, but who would you rather have play LSU? There's nobody else. Even No. 3 Oklahoma State coach Mike Gundy said this week that he wouldn't vote his team No. 2. Go pound tumbleweeds. --Tommy Jim, Jackson, Ala.
Whom would I rather see? Any team that hasn't already blown its chance.

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</td></tr></tbody></table> LSU vs. Oklahoma State (if the Cowboys beat Oklahoma on Saturday) would be tasty. And Gundy did say he'd consider his team for No. 2 if it beat OU. Just to introduce you to OSU. An offense that scores approximately every 11.3 seconds. A strength of schedule ranked 10th, compared with Alabama's at 38th. A team whose only loss was in double overtime to Iowa State the same week an OSU school plane crashed, killing two women's basketball coaches. A school that beat five teams with winning records to Alabama's three. A team with four wins over BCS top 25 teams to Alabama's two. Hello?

Or what about Stanford-LSU?
Like the Houndstooths, the Cardinal only have one loss, theirs to an Oregon team faster than 4G. You don't think a Stanford team led by Heisman Trophy shoo-in QB Andrew Luck wouldn't make any SEC defense wonder whether to scream or go bowling?

What about LSU-Virginia Tech?
The Hokies' only loss was to Clemson, which they could avenge Saturday in the ACC title game.
Or LSU vs. one-loss Boise State? The Broncos fell to TCU by just one point. You SEC fans remember Boise State, right? It went down south in Week 1 and beat Georgia? Georgia, the team that's one win from claiming your most holy and exalted SEC title?
With all these deserving teams, you still think Alabama should get another chance? You want Kris Humphries and Kim Kardashian to remarry, too?

This SEC bias has to stop. The world of college football doesn't end at the Louisiana border.
The Rematch should make you want to Regurgitate. Two-thirds of the rankings are based on humans. Voters, be fair. We played this one already, and Alabama lost.

What, your TiVo broke?
<hr style="width:50%;"> Follow Rick on Twitter @ReillyRick

He loses all credibility talking about Bama not winning their conference (when the reason why is the team they'd be playing won the conference) and then suggests Stanford WHO DIDN'T WIN THEIR CONFERENCE.

FD 12-03-2011 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 8164456)
But imagine how idiotic this system is through LSU's binoculars. While the Bayou Bengals are beating their brains out against Georgia in the conference title game this Saturday at the Georgia Dome -- aka, the crime scene -- Alabama will be enjoying chicken wings and "Tosh.0" reruns and resting up. "I won't lie to you," Alabama linebacker Dont'a Hightower told The Associated Press. "It's going to be good to get a week off. A lot of guys are banged up."
Welcome to BCS logic.

This is annoying but a good point. LSU should have let Alabama win last time, if they were just going to play it again regardless of what happened, may as well lose the first one and not have to play an extra game against Georgia. Alabama comes out way ahead by virtue of losing. BCS!

DaKCMan AP 12-03-2011 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8164465)
I think it's hard to make the case that LSU and Alabama aren't the two best teams.

But these things are all subjective. You can definitely say Oklahoma State's loss was worse, and it was... but if you look at precedent, that hasn't always mattered. Michigan's only loss a couple years ago was to #1 and it didn't matter. It definitely would be fun to see Oklahoma State's offense go up against LSU's D. I would love to see LSU's defense and secondary against a really good college QB like Weeden or Luck or Griffin.

In that scenario (Michigan-osu), Florida didn't lose to an unranked 0.500 team. They lost to (at the time) #11 Auburn, who finished the bowl season ranked #9.

notorious 12-03-2011 06:47 PM

OSU is underated heavily by SEC knuckleheads, but they have no defense. I think that they could compete, but ultimately fold.

tk13 12-03-2011 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 8164471)
In that scenario (Michigan-osu), Florida didn't lose to an unranked 0.500 team. They lost to (at the time) #11 Auburn, who finished the bowl season ranked #9.

Yeah, but does that really matter? You can't have a better loss than a loss to #1. Everything after that is going for 2nd place.

Saul Good 12-03-2011 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward Dante (Post 8164468)
This is annoying but a good point. LSU should have let Alabama win last time, if they were just going to play it again regardless of what happened, may as well lose the first one and not have to play an extra game against Georgia. Alabama comes out way ahead by virtue of losing. BCS!

I'm sure one more game is really going to matter 5 weeks from now.

Saul Good 12-03-2011 06:50 PM

I think we've seen enough movies about high-flying offenses going up against SEC teams in championship games to know how they all end.

Spoiler alert: Oklahoma got worked by LSU and Florida while Oregon got whipped by Auburn.

kstater 12-03-2011 06:51 PM

I'm shocked, SHOCKED at Saul_Good's position on this.

DaKCMan AP 12-03-2011 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8164480)
Yeah, but does that really matter? You can't have a better loss than a loss to #1. Everything after that is going for 2nd place.

That year Florida played the #1 schedule in the country, scored more ppg than Michigan, allowed less ppg than Michigan, beat more ranked teams than Michigan (highest being the #5 ranked team), and won their conference championship (giving them a better record than Michigan).

Bearcat 12-03-2011 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8164465)
I think it's hard to make the case that LSU and Alabama aren't the two best teams.

But these things are all subjective. You can definitely say Oklahoma State's loss was worse, and it was... but if you look at precedent, that hasn't always mattered. Michigan's only loss a couple years ago was to #1 and it didn't matter. It definitely would be fun to see Oklahoma State's offense go up against LSU's D. I would love to see LSU's defense and secondary against a really good college QB like Weeden or Luck or Griffin.

Michigan/OSU was the last game of the season, and that's all that mattered. Michigan fell to #3, just like Alabama... but Alabama had plenty of time to sit and wait for OSU to lose.


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