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BigRedChief 07-30-2023 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 17035853)
Not true.

The Chiefs aren't going to sign all three anyway. In reality, all three of them are prime candidates for free agency when their contract is up.

--> Sneed's position has depth behind him in McDuffie (and maybe Nic Jones).
--> The Chiefs have let every stud center they've drafted in the 2nd round walk. (Rodney Hudson, Mitch Morse)
--> The Chiefs are likely to extend Joe Thuney for eternity and I don't think it's likely they pay two guards great money.

The Chiefs have about $50m in cap space for next year, but Jones' contract will probably eat 30 of that. That remaining $20m is what Veach likes to start with, ensuring he can sign his rookie class and that he can have extra scratch to do some deals throughout the season.

That means the Chiefs will need to carve out some space with Thuney/Mahomes/Taylor extensions/restructures if they see fit.

For the record, I believe they have Smith and Humphrey for two more seasons anyway. I really don't know what they're going to do with Sneed, and his contract demands will probably tell the tale of what happens to him.
Agree with most of this but Veach will make Creed the highest paid center in the league next year. I think they allow Thuney to walk and sign Trey just because of the age thing. We will also let Gay go and sign Bolton. Mahomes redo of his contract wont hurt our cap space the first year.

2025 the cap is going to explode up. These will look like bargains.

duncan_idaho 07-30-2023 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 17035853)
Not true.

The Chiefs aren't going to sign all three anyway. In reality, all three of them are prime candidates for free agency when their contract is up.

--> Sneed's position has depth behind him in McDuffie (and maybe Nic Jones).
--> The Chiefs have let every stud center they've drafted in the 2nd round walk. (Rodney Hudson, Mitch Morse)
--> The Chiefs are likely to extend Joe Thuney for eternity and I don't think it's likely they pay two guards great money.

The Chiefs have about $50m in cap space for next year, but Jones' contract will probably eat 30 of that. That remaining $20m is what Veach likes to start with, ensuring he can sign his rookie class and that he can have extra scratch to do some deals throughout the season.

That means the Chiefs will need to carve out some space with Thuney/Mahomes/Taylor extensions/restructures if they see fit.

For the record, I believe they have Smith and Humphrey for two more seasons anyway. I really don't know what they're going to do with Sneed, and his contract demands will probably tell the tale of what happens to him.
I don't think they keep running with Thuney forever.

Kind of feels to me like they'll invest at Creed Humphrey and ride out Thuney while trying to find a long-term solution at LT that they put big money on when Thuney is let go.

seamonster 07-30-2023 10:01 AM
So chiefs planet wants to sign the ****ing center and let the most dominant defensive force in the league walk? Jesus.

BWillie 07-30-2023 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by KobesPilot (Post 17035750)
I dont think you understand the IQ that's required for center, and with the talent pouring into the defensive line currently, you'd be stupid to skimp any of those positions.
If your QB is competent and athletic, like Mahomes, you don't need to spend as much on O-line than if your QB is Tom Brady or Joe Burrow. It is certainly a mistake to just have all jags out there but also a huge mistake to beef it up so much that you are overspending. I want a good center, but I don't want the best center (Creed) because of how much you will have to pay him. Jason Kelce makes 15M a year right? Creed is going to demand 15-20M you would have to think. He's such an easy candidate to allow walk. We let Morse and Hudson walk and it was a very great move. It is waaay easier to replace a good center with a serviceable one than it is to replace a LT or RT with a serviceable one...and even harder to find a good DT. This is moneyball in the NFL 101. Don't pay a center if you aren't a power running team.

Red Dawg 07-30-2023 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 17035942)
So chiefs planet wants to sign the ****ing center and let the most dominant defensive force in the league walk? Jesus.
Yeah. The center is younger and cheaper and the best in the league. Mahomes needs him more.

BWillie 07-30-2023 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 17035942)
So chiefs planet wants to sign the ****ing center and let the most dominant defensive force in the league walk? Jesus.
I know right

Obv I'd love to keep everyone but at some point you have to pick and choose what players and positions you are going to keep. The chasm between Chris Jones and the avg to slightly below avg player at his position is MUUUUCH bigger than the difference in Creed Humphrey and an avg center.

Marcellus 07-30-2023 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 17035942)
So chiefs planet wants to sign the ****ing center and let the most dominant defensive force in the league walk? Jesus.
Don't be obtuse, nobody is saying to just let Jones walk.

What they are saying is $30MM AV is a little ridiculous and hopefully they can find a middle ground and still have money left to pay Creed and some other guys.

Sneed is gone IMO we have too much depth and draft picks tied up in the CB position to pay him what he can get.

Willie Gay becomes the next question.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-30-2023 10:48 AM
i really don't get why we delegate a roster spot to long snapper. Why can't Creed long snap ? that extra spot could be used as a WR

Marcellus 07-30-2023 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 17035990)
i really don't get why we delegate a roster spot to long snapper. Why can't Creed long snap ? that extra spot could be used as a WR
The 7th WR spot will be filled by not having a FB.

The long snapper on punts runs down the field on coverage. Creed aint tackling anyone.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-30-2023 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 17035994)
The 7th WR spot will be filled by not having a FB.

The long snapper on punts runs down the field on coverage. Creed aint tackling anyone.
Why can't someone else run downfield and tackle. Creed could sit back and protect our punter.

I think I need to call Andy ,bet he hasn't thought this thru

Marcellus 07-30-2023 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 17035999)
Why can't someone else run downfield and tackle. Creed could sit back and protect our punter.
Because everyone has a job on ST. What you are proposing is losing another defender when the punter is already not much of a defender.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-30-2023 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 17036001)
Because everyone has a job on ST. What you are proposing is losing another defender when the punter is already not much of a defender.
Well, if not Creed then Someone else that already has a position. My point was that it just seems a waste to have one person that's all he does is Long snap.

These are pro athletes that have skill and lots of talent. Surely a Justin Watson or a Trent McDuffie or a Noah Gray can learn to hike a football

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-30-2023 11:07 AM
It seems I remember hearing Kelce was our emergancy long snapper, but I wouldn't want him out there tackling.

Marcellus 07-30-2023 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 17036008)
Well, if not Creed then Someone else that already has a position. My point was that it just seems a waste to have one person that's all he does is Long snap.

These are pro athletes that have skill and lots of talent. Surely a Justin Watson or a Trent McDuffie or a Noah Gray can learn to hike a football
I get it but since every team carries one......

Hell Ive always wondered why not have a punter/place kicker. But i guess its too specialized as well.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-30-2023 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 17036012)
I get it but since every team carries one......

Hell Ive always wondered why not have a punter/place kicker. But i guess its too specialized as well.
Well, then in case of injury we'd lose two positions at once. Another thought is why the hell isn't a QB the place holder for field goals. Seems to me it would open up a pass play opportunity.


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