Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that a deal that will send Colby Rasmus to the Blue Jays for Edwin Jackson, Octavio Dotel and Marc Rzepczynski is "imminent."

a lefty reliever and a pick for Rasmus!? Ouch.

Even worse...

At least the Bell trade was somewhat defensible b/c you get an elite closer and when he leaves, you'd get Type A compensation.

My prediction:

Edwin Jackson puts up Westbrookian ERA numbers and Mo signs him to a 4-40 extension.

Nothing like trading an elite CF talent for a stump-dick SP and two blah relievers.

Hey Mo, maybe you wouldn't need those shit ass relievers if your stupid ****ing ass didn't trade all of ours for worthless sacks of shit like Ryan Theriot.

I can't get over how awesome this is. It's like the Yunel Escobar deal for the Jays all over again.

Thank you TLR, thank you!

Two part question:

Who has gone on past their prime the longest:

A) Tony LaRussa
B) Evander Holyfield
C) Dick Enberg

Who had the biggest, most destructive, prolonged meltdown?

A) Tony LaRussa
B) Tony Montana
C) Caligula

Someone please make a Downfall-parody of this ****ing abortion.

This is such a horrible trade:

Holy shit.

Tallet is coming back? Nice.

The Cardinals should turn Rzep back into a starter. He was pretty good in a tough division in 2009 and 2010 in that role. It's the only way they'll be able to redeem some value on this one.

This is ****ing horrible.

Patterson isn't going to replace Colby. At all.

There's no way in hell they keep Edwin and Dotel is just another bullpen arm. I want to kill Mozeliak.

You and me both but add TLR too.

I could give a rats ass about LaRussa.

Mozeliak didn't have to trade Colby. He traded him because he thought, '"Jon Jay is so ****ing awesome, let's put him in CF all day and get some relievers and an okay starter."

This improves the bullpen and rotation in the short term, but kills the OF in the long term.

Bull****. LaRussa is the one calling the shots. Canning Mozeliak is like killing Ahmadenijad. You're just killing a puppet while the real problem lies behind the throne.

They should both be drawn and quartered on the mound. Of course, if they were, I'd probably masturbate so hard that my wrist would break the speed of light, thus sending me into the past, forcing me to watch LaRussa and Mozeliak **** up the entire 2008-2011 term in perpetuity.

I can't believe with the deals and trades Mo and Tony have engineered recently that this abortion surprises anyone. Tony is the Casey Anthony of managers, takes a good team, smothers the shit out of it, and tosses what's left in the trash.

You'd think after a while that people would recognize that the common denominator with all of this is Tony LaRussa.

He had a problem with Scott Rolen. Gone
He had a problem with Perez. Gone
He had a problem with Ryan. Gone
He had a problem with Rasmus. Gone

Maybe the real problem isn't with those players but the curmudgeonly prick who seems to alienate everyone on his team who isn't a replacement-level utility player.

You know what LaRussa is? He's a close-minded prick who hates everyone who isn't like him: a talentless ****wad without the tools to play and stick in the bigs. I think that's why he gravitates towards assbags like Miles and Schumaker, yet pisses off the Rolens and Rasmuses of the world. I think he resents them.

And here I thought Bell would be a bad move...I wouldn't make that trade for Edwin Jackson without Colby. Dotel is 37 and 8 years ago I would have been pumped, same with with Patterson. How many teams getting rid of guys do they need as evidence that maybe we should shy away too? I like what I have read about the lefty "Scrabble", but not for this price.

The only upside is getting rid of Walters and Miller. A waste of roster space.

I don't remember him having a problem with Perez. Plus, the Rolen trade was pretty even.

This. I sure as hell hope Rasmus never ends up back in our division. :shake:

Bullshit. They destroyed Perez's confidence because he wouldn't bend to Duncan's voodoo, sent him down, kicked him out of the closer's role and shipped him out.

The Rolen deal was horrible. Troy Glaus isn't in baseball anymore, in case you noticed, and Rolen has been the starting 3B and veteran leader on a division champ and a contending team the last two years.

I just hope someone bludgeons LaRussa to death with a lantern battery stuffed inside a cat skin bag.

I guess I would look silly wearing my Rasmus jersey now. That sucks, it's a sweet jersey. Maybe I can send it back and get someone else's name/number on it.

Oh yeah, and **** that trade. **** TLR and **** Mo in their ****ing asses.

Glaus had a good 2008, then ****ed his shoulder up. But I get your point.

You're speculating on Perez, they didn't have a set closer in 2009 until Motte blew the save on Opening Day. In ST, didn't they say they were going closer by committee?

I don't agree with you about them ruining Perez's confidence, but I agree with that him for an injured DeRosa wasn't a good trade.

I hope Jocketty trades for him and he proceeds to rape us annually.

I hope Rolen comes back healthy and shoved it down LaRussa's ****ing throat.

I hope Edmonds foot heels, he signs with the Buccos and they beat us every ****ing time we play.

I hope the next time LaRussa gets drunk and hits the highway, he finds the same mother****ing tow truck that Josh Hancock did.

**** this team.

The Cardinals are set up better for the short term. If they don't make the playoffs, more people associated with the team need to leave.

Damn. I don't like this trade either, but in their defense, the Cards are in 1st place.

Cardinals get 3 PTBNL or cash.

Holy shit DJ, You have officially jumped ship!

When "or cash" is included as a possibility, the list of PTBNL is usually complete dogshit.

The Jays aren't playing for today, so if it was a legit prospect, he'd have been included.

The PTBNL are probably just 10th round and later guys from the 2011 draft that couldn't be traded yet due to service time. Once they're eligible, we'll get our list of possibilities from Toronto. The list will be lousy - the list is always lousy.

And Dollar Bill will take the cash anyway.

Yeah, in the AFC West of baseball.

NFC West<AFC West.

Sadly, that is a better analogy.

In the NFC West there's nary a QB to be found and the division was one by the plucky upstarts that had the closest to a legitimate quarterback around.

In the NL Central, you can't find a manager worth a shit outside of Pittsburgh. Jim Tracy is the Sam Bradford of the NL Central. He probably doesn't have the horses to ultimately win the thing, but he'll keep them in it longer than he should because the rest of the division is rudderless.

Jim Tracy is with the Rockies, you mean Clint Hurdle.

:facepalm:

I like this trade for the short term, if they get any good PTBNL and he's decent, could be decent trade.

Yes, yes I do.

You'll have to forgive me, my brain is simply a smoldering pile of hate and white-hot rage right now.

You need to stop listening to that Pravda-style shit coming out of the Cardinals' FO.

You don't include good players as PTBNL. As DJ mentioned, PTBNL are always low A trash with about a 2% chance of being a below-average MLB player.

It will be some late round flyer that Mozeliak wanted that the Jays drafted instead, just like we did with that piece of ratshit PTBNL that was included in the Ludwick deal whose name was forgotten as soon it was announced.

Here's how it's going to go down:

Step 1) Denigrate the player
Step 2) Trade the player
Step 3) Denigrate the player more after he has left

They do this every time. If you marginalize what you deal away, it makes the shit you get in return look better. Unfortunately, PR-wizardry does nothing to make up for performance on the field. Jackson is a shit pitcher, he's always been a shit pitcher, and he'll always be a shit pitcher, regardless of whether or not he has a Weaverian six week run of luck.

Colby's reaction to being traded: http://www.foxsportsmidwest.com/07/2...22&feedID=8745

I'm not saying I like the trade.

Anyways, some PTBNL turn out to be decent. Coco Crisp, Michael Brantley, Ortiz etc.

Colby is a dumb sonofabitch, but he still managed a hell of a burn.

When the interviewer asked him about TLR, his response, "I hope he's happy."

I can't think of a more apropos thing to say.

Hey, did you know that there's football talk happening, you True Fan sonofabitch you?

That's the exception, not the rule. You can usually tell that PTBNL are filler based on the other players in the deal.

Ortiz went to Boston as a FA, so I'm not sure what you are referring to.

Hey, we can only handle one GM stepping on his dick at a time, k?

this one seems t be doing it worse though

Yeah, I can't even imagine how shitty it would be to be a Chiefs AND Cards fan.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_as...handsfinal.gif

Which is why he's over here.

LMAO

LMAO

makes sense

Going to the game Saturday, so I'm guessing I'll get to see Jackson's debut.

Meh.

Dotel closing now?

Ouch.

Setup man, maybe.

Salas has done a good job this year for the most part.

At least they didn't give up Shelby Miller or Carlos Martinez. Saw Martinez in the futures game, unbelievable stuff.

Mo and LaRussa's conference live: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=7270758

Dotel cannot get lefties out, he's got massive splits. The Jays have been using him as a ROOGY successfully.

Cool. Thanks, guys.

Update on PTBNL. It's not PTBNL or cash. It's 3 PTBNL and cash.

:whackit: Lame. But, but, but you should be honored to enter Baseball Heaven to see these guys in action. This seems like a deal the computer would accept in MLB the Show.

As my phone hasn't blown up, I can only surmise they both survived it.

Shit.

This trade was forced on Mo by Larussa's attitude towards Rasmus. After Larussa's comments yesterday Mo had to strike the best deal he could because Rasmus was done here at St. Louis.

Which is why he should have been fired the instant those comments were aired.

Keith Law:

The Cardinals, meanwhile, have made a terrible organizational move by allowing their aging manager to run off the best hitting prospect the team has produced since drafting Albert Pujols. Whether La Russa was mostly responsible or only shares responsibility with Rasmus and his father, it is clear that La Russa’s my-way-or-the-highway mentality has hurt the organization for this year and several years to come with the Rasmus fiasco, and unfortunately the front office’s decision to retain La Russa for 2011 has come back to haunt them. Rasmus has the potential to be a 5- to 6-win player at his peak, and there’s no manager in baseball who can produce that kind of value.

Cardinals seem to be mocking the Vermeil era Chiefs.

I'm clearly on the record as not wanting to trade rasmus especially for a rental player. And what happens we get a rental player as the cornerstone of the trade. :banghead:

But, this is a freebie for me on how Mo does his job. Everybody and their brother knew Rasmus's time was done here in St. louis. He had to be moved. That lessened his trade value tremendously. No way were we going to get a possible #1 or #2 future young stud SP for Rasmus after all the Larussa comments.

In 2013 we could have the best pitching staff in baseball. 4 pitchers capable of throwing a no-hitter in any start. 3 of them under our control through 2017.

Depending on how well Jackson pitches, I wouldn't be against them resigning him. I doubt they would, but I'd rather have him for another 3 seasons than Carp.

We are not resigning Carp and Jackson, we have Pujols and Waino to sign next year. You want to lock up waino for the long term and not just do the two year option. Almost all pitchers come back stronger after the tommy john surgery. He will be an anchor for another 5 years.

How many times do you have to stick a fork in a light socket before you understand it's a bad idea?

Which is why Tony LaRussa should be fired. Your manager can't undermine the ability of the organization to compete long term. Could you possibly think of a more fireable offense that doesn't involve pederasty?

Would you want a guy who is in his late 20s for 10 mil. for 3 seasons over a guy who is in his late 30s for 15 mil.?

Weeks goes down with an ankle injury for the Brewers.

I think Carp will give a hometown discount say $20 million for 2 years to stay with his buddies on the team. This is the sunset of his career. He has a good chance to pitch in a World Series if he stays. But even at that Jackson is going to want at least what Loshe got 4/40. We still have another year of Lohshe to go. Its just not doable to resign both. If you intend to sign Pujols and Waino.

I really don't mind what they acquired in the short term but the price was far to ****ing high.

Sounds like the Cards are still trying for Bell which makes me pretty terrified of what they will give up. Miller or Martinez wouldn't surprise me at this point.

If the give up Miller or Martinez, Mo needs to go away. Forever.

4th inning on my DVR and Norris is still pulling his Hall of famer hat trick against the Cardinals. :shake:

You never, ever give up young possible #1 starters in any trade. It always bites you in the ass in the end. No matter how good the trade looks at the time.

2013 we have the best pitching staff in baseball.
Waino
Miller
Martinez
Garcia

Miller or Martinez for a rental? That would warrant an immediate mob of torches and pitchforks to run the GM out of town on a rail offense.

It should, but it would never, ever happen. Most Cardinal fans believe absolutely everything that comes from the mouthpieces at Busch, which is why so many were happy to get behind getting rid of a rare talent in Rasmus for a bunch of sacks of shit.

Well this is just me, but am I happy Rasmus is gone? Yes. Am I happy with what the Cardinals got in return? **** no.

The Cardinals could have gotten a better package.

And LaRussa should be out of town because of this.