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siberian khatru 05-21-2013 10:55 AM

Why have the Royals messed up so many can't-miss prospects?

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...id=grantland33

duncan_idaho 05-21-2013 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 9697219)
AAAA Players.

Replacement level (what a AAAA player is) would be an improvement over Getz and Francoeur, for sure. And even over what Moustakas has done outside a two-week stint.

Prison Bitch 05-21-2013 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 9697219)
AAAA Players.

What do you call Moustakas at this point?

Fansy the Famous Bard 05-21-2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9697245)
What do you call Moustakas at this point?

I still call him Moose.

Mr. Laz 05-21-2013 12:35 PM

both Moose and Hosmer are looking like AAAA players right now


good defense
hit well in minors but can't hit in the majors


yes,yes ... they might turn it around


still doesn't explain why virtually every player we have goes through an extended development time.

duncan_idaho 05-21-2013 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9697420)
both Moose and Hosmer are looking like AAAA players right now


good defense
hit well in minors but can't hit in the majors


yes,yes ... they might turn it around


still doesn't explain why virtually every player we have goes through an extended development time.

Much too early to stick that label on them. They're 23 and 24 years old and have had sustained periods of major success in the majors leagues (Moustakas for 3 months last year, Hosmer in 2011). Quad-A guys rarely put up positive samples THAT big.

My best guess on the reeruned development of Royals minor league guys is a combination of two factors. 1) That the team has been SO bad, they have been asked to be THE guy too early and have not been able to handle the early pressure. 2) That the way hitters are being developed is not good enough (it seems like bad habits are allowed in the minors for KC as long as the talent trumps that bad habit, but that gets exposed at the MLB level).

Prison Bitch 05-21-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 9697396)
I still call him Moose.

MOOOOOOOOOSE!

Prison Bitch 05-21-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9697225)
Why have the Royals messed up so many can't-miss prospects?

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...id=grantland33



This is exactly what I posted the other day - where the hell is this vaunted "greatest farm system of all time"? Seriously where is it? We had 3 top-10 guys as young hitters. None of them are contributing. (You can say Myers is as trade bait but if he were still here, he'd be down in Omaha anyway)



Here's the top-20. Look at the Royals. Look at practically everyone else. And tell me we're not the problem. I dare you to. You can't say the authors screwed this up because the other names aren't pathetic losers:

2011 TOP 100 PROSPECTS
1. Bryce Harper, of, Nationals
2. Mike Trout, of, Angels
3. Jesus Montero, c, Yankees
4. Domonic Brown, of, Phillies
5. Julio Teheran, rhp, Braves
6. Jeremy Hellickson, rhp, Rays
7. Aroldis Chapman, lhp, Reds
8. Eric Hosmer, 1b, Royals
9. Mike Moustakas, 3b, Royals
10. Wil Myers, of/c, Royals

11. Jameson Taillon, rhp, Pirates
12. Dustin Ackley, 2b, Mariners
13. Shelby Miller, rhp, Cardinals
14. Manny Machado, ss, Orioles
15. Matt Moore, lhp, Rays
16. Michael Pineda, rhp, Mariners
17. Freddie Freeman, 1b, Braves
18. John Lamb, lhp, Royals
19. Mike Montgomery, lhp, Royals

20. Chris Sale, lhp, White Sox

Fansy the Famous Bard 05-21-2013 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9697533)
This is exactly what I posted the other day - where the hell is this vaunted "greatest farm system of all time"? Seriously where is it? We had 3 top-10 guys as young hitters. None of them are contributing. (You can say Myers is as trade bait but if he were still here, he'd be down in Omaha anyway)



Here's the top-20. Look at the Royals. Look at practically everyone else. And tell me we're not the problem. I dare you to. You can't say the authors screwed this up because the other names aren't pathetic losers:

2011 TOP 100 PROSPECTS
1. Bryce Harper, of, Nationals
2. Mike Trout, of, Angels
3. Jesus Montero, c, Yankees
4. Domonic Brown, of, Phillies
5. Julio Teheran, rhp, Braves
6. Jeremy Hellickson, rhp, Rays
7. Aroldis Chapman, lhp, Reds
8. Eric Hosmer, 1b, Royals
9. Mike Moustakas, 3b, Royals
10. Wil Myers, of/c, Royals

11. Jameson Taillon, rhp, Pirates
12. Dustin Ackley, 2b, Mariners
13. Shelby Miller, rhp, Cardinals
14. Manny Machado, ss, Orioles
15. Matt Moore, lhp, Rays
16. Michael Pineda, rhp, Mariners
17. Freddie Freeman, 1b, Braves
18. John Lamb, lhp, Royals
19. Mike Montgomery, lhp, Royals

20. Chris Sale, lhp, White Sox

Well, you all know how the song goes. "Five of these are not like the oooothers".

Bowser 05-21-2013 01:56 PM

This is a question that has been debated over the years, but I'll ask again -

Is Dayton Moore bad to below average at his job, or is he hamstrung by the Glass family?

siberian khatru 05-21-2013 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9697553)
This is a question that has been debated over the years, but I'll ask again -

Is Dayton Moore bad to below average at his job, or is he hamstrung by the Glass family?

I would submit that giving a 2-year contract to Jeff Francoeur and offering arbitration to Luke Hochevar suggests that increasing Moore's budget wouldn't improve his decision-making, seeing as how he's already wasting limited resources. Give him more money and he might add a year to Frenchy's contract.

Glass gave him a lot more money for scouting, player development and signing draft picks, Moore's supposed strong suit. And that pipeline has produced ... ?

Salvy Perez is the studliest, and the irony is he wasn't one of the Golden Prospects. Moore also does a good job building a bullpen.

Prison Bitch 05-21-2013 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 9697545)
Well, you all know how the song goes. "Five of these are not like the oooothers".



51. Christian Colon, ss, Royals
52. Jose Iglesias, ss, Red Sox
53. Nick Franklin, ss/2b, Mariners
54. Jason Kipnis, 2b, Indians
55. Zack Wheeler, rhp, Giants
56. Brody Colvin, rhp, Phillies
57. Jean Segura, 2b, Angels
58. Simon Castro, rhp, Padres
59. Wilmer Flores, ss, Mets
60. Miguel Sano, 3b/ss, Twins




http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/...e16a1d7-19.gif

Fansy the Famous Bard 05-21-2013 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9697420)
both Moose and Hosmer are looking like AAAA players right now

good defense
hit well in minors but can't hit in the majors

yes,yes ... they might turn it around

still doesn't explain why virtually every player we have goes through an extended development time.

What's so frustrating is you hear about the good defense that Hosmer is supposed to bring.. That he's going to win gold gloves good.

I will contend he will make a good play every so often, and he's a very good athlete as far as 1basemen go... But the guy consistently makes mistakes and misses balls that even above average 1basemen dig out routinely...

I think the myth of him being a great 1basemen is based on his athletic ability and the fact that he makes good to great plays from time to time... that his scouting report shows that he CAN make those plays and that he's going to grow into an excellent fielder... I certainly don't think he's anywhere near that right now, though. His consistency is just nowhere near what it needs to be. That's just my feelings on the matter...

Fansy the Famous Bard 05-21-2013 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9697553)
This is a question that has been debated over the years, but I'll ask again -

Is Dayton Moore bad to below average at his job, or is he hamstrung by the Glass family?

He's bad.

Fansy the Famous Bard 05-21-2013 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9697573)

holy balls that gif is disturbing.


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