I just hope DM and Glass don't cave. We get in these vicious cycles where we cut payroll to play young players... then there's a ton of pressure put on because the payroll is so low. So then we go out and sign over the hill guys for too much money. Then we spend the next three years complaining about guys like Jose Guillen.

And when things change and we're not able to use the draft to our (extreme) advantage? White flag time with Glass as owner?

For those who follow this stuff closely: how much do you honestly believe that the Royals receive in revenue sharing?

Me? I believe we get north of $100M, which is why I'm quick to have little patience with Glass. And I will NEVER forgive him for shitting on this franchise for well over a decade. Grudge? You bet your ass.

I think the 100 million number is really sketchy.. I've always thought it was pretty absurd, but I don't know anything. If we were getting 100 million when were were a top 20-22 payroll, what were the other 8-10 teams below us getting? That'd come out to a billion dollars in revenue sharing.

And I also don't understand why Forbes would protect Glass by saying they only make 8-10 million a year while throwing teams like the Nationals, Padres, and Marlins under the bus in terms of profit. We don't draw that many fans, we have an all-star front office, and spend a ton in the draft and internationally. I don't think it's that absurd, but maybe they're cooking the books.

The grand total revenue sharing for all of baseball was about 400 million. I seriously doubt we're getting a quarter of the pie.

I'm thinking around 30ish? (our payroll wasn't low, so maybe we wont qualify for much)

No, I'm pretty pleased with it. I'd prefer to NOT tie up retread vets to over-priced long-term deals with the kids on the way.

Sixty five million.
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Glass's "turn" has been recent, remember, and it's entirely possible that outside pressure preceded this change.

Also, this sack of shit hasn't really made a public appearance since the stadium tax passed. Also also, there's a reason why DM went from high school high-upside players to college arms/bats. Why? $$$$

When you're the Braves, you're allowed to miss and recover. Here? Not so much.

In my heart of hearts, I'm hoping that these prospects deliver, we re-sign a strong core, and then we rinse/repeat.

But if we buck the odds and still suck, and Glass and co. are business as usual, I'm going to hope and pray for new ownership, location be damned.

Edit: I hope al is right and 30 is the more likely number. If I could buy into this, my Glass hatred might abet a bit. Stress on "bit."

actually based on the leaked pirates and marlins financial documents (both had payrolls a bit more than half ours), i bet our revenue sharing was about 15-20 million last year, but itll be more next year.

According to BA, total payments in 2009 were $433 million from high-revenue to low-revenue clubs.

I highly doubt a quarter of that is going to the Royals alone. I'd guess it's more in the range of $30 million (just saw Al's post - good point - probably lower, possibly even half what my first look at that).

I'm not a huge Glass fan, but he has done everything Moore asked him, especially in investing those revenue sharing bucks in the farm system. Not just in the MLB draft, but in better scouting, better coaching, more teams, and a more aggressive stance in Latin America.

I think you'll see Latin America become more and more of a focus if draft slotting occurs (and who knows when that is coming). I think it's more likely Type A/B FA compensation is done away with than draft slotting happening.

Remember that the Royals farm system hasn't just been built on spending crazy money in the draft. It's been on making good choices in the draft.

yeah, and mlb just released the 2010 number, for whatever reason the revenue sharing dipped to $404MM, probably because the worst revenue teams improved towards the middle a lot quicker than the highest teams pushed against their ceiling.

Type B needs fixed yesterday. Teams like the Yanks and BoSox swapping Type B's and each getting a sandwich pick is pretty stupid and screws teams like the Royals.

I would disagree with this to this point, and here's why. After the Moose selection, Moore all but said it was a signability pick; we weren't going to spend what was needed for Porcello or Wieters. Now, we took a "legit" guy, which is a refreshing change from years past, but my point remains.

Perhaps we fell ass over elbows into the best pick? Could very well be.

I'm not giving DM much credit for taking the likes of Melville and Myers in the 4th and 3rd respectively, because there are quite a few posters in this thread right now who could have and would have made those very same selections.

We won't know if Moore is really a drafting genious (CP) until we--I hope--start to see dividends from late round picks that end up being solid contributors.

Agree 100 percent.

Those teams are making a killing taking on guys just to get that pick. And the Rays are out of control with it. The picks they're nabbing for middle relievers ... just crazy!

I think that's a double edge sword we often fall into in the draft analysis in all sports. "Anybody would've made that pick." Yeah, but no one did until DM did it. You can't not give them credit for that. There are a lot of GM's who outsmart themselves and don't use common sense.

for a loosely-related note that might be interesting, I researched the values of the leagues recently after some baseball fans elsewhere were depressed about nfl pro-bowl ratings vs world series ratings.

MLB makes almost as much money as the NFL. Gross anyway, not sure what the profit looks like. The NFL TV contract is massive, but baseball makes up for it in volume.

MLB has slightly beaten the NFL in licensing revenue for several years. (so more hats, shirts, key chains, etc)

MLB obviously wipes out the NFL in ticket/gate revenue (162 games vs 16), and the NFL obviously wipes out MLB on TV revenue (watching one of a few games in the den while its snowing outside, vs skipping a whole lot of baseball games because its nice outside), so what do the grand totals look like?

Total revenues, all sources of income, by sport

2008-2009 NFL: $7.6B
2009 MLB: $6.6B
2008-2009 NHL: $2.6B
NBA: not sure, but unprofitable

2010 MLB: $7B
We'll find out how the NFL did this season in a few months.