This. Frat boy behavior by grown men with the minds of teenagers. And someone hired them for big bucks. Does the Wonderlic test indicate maturity? Obviously not. What type of job would Incognito hold outside of professional football? Maybe as a recreation supervisor at the local Y? Probably not. More likely as the night maintenance man.

I think there's more to the story than these texts and high priced dinners. I have no idea what it is, but I think Martin being gay is a possibility.

If, when you ask if it matters, you mean do I think that would justify mistreatment, the answer is no.

One weird thing about this story is that it's O-line. I always figure those guys must be the tightest group on the team. Probably makes it even more volatile when you have this kind of thing going on because of how closely they have to work together.

He'd be an assistant football coach and substitute health teacher.

Ok.

I don't really want Incognito.....but I don't really want Allen either....and I'd be tickled to see someone better in for Hudson too.

How is Martin a "pussy"? Should he have just taken the racist comments, threats against his family, and extortion and done nothing about it?

If anything, he has brass balls for actually exposing Incognito's vile behavior even though doing so would make him look like a "pussy" and a "snitch" to the good ole' boys club in the NFL.

So then why harp on his sexuality since it's completely irrelevant to the story?

Feel free to fly off half cocked without knowing what's really going on if you'd prefer, but I'm interested in what's really going on in Miami. In other words, I give a ****. If you don't like that, I'm going to drop a bag of dog shit on your front lawn.

right on. There certainly is...but just based off what i've read....it seems unlikely to be anything that would change my mind.

Flying off half-cocked? You're a complete ****ing nutjob, you know that? If he's bullying him for being gay, he's a mother****er. If he's dropping n-bombs on him, he's a mother****er. If he's threatening his family, he's a mother****er.

There is no point to even broach that question except to call into question something about Martin that is immaterial to the story. Does it matter if he's gay? If not, then why bring it up? It's just a chickenshit attempt at victim blaming.

How did you determine that it's completely irrelevant to the story? And what do you mean by "harp"? Do you think being gay is something to be ashamed of and covered up?

Martin obviously has the constitution of an English professor.

And you the constitution of Incognito with the build of Seth Green.

You yourself admitted that whether he's gay or not doesn't change the fact that Incognito's bullying was wrong. In other words, his sexuality is completely immaterial to the story, because the story is about Incognito's actions, which would be equally wrong whether Martin is gay or straight.

Huh? That's a pretty big reach. I was referring to your continued posts about how "he might be gay" as if that would change anything.

So flinging the n word around loosely is unforgivable regardless of the context? Is that what you're saying?