I don't give a **** about Discovery at this point - I probably wouldn't have watched the second season if not for the injection of Pike, Spock and the Enterprise. Without them, seriously, who cares? Discovery has the lamest cast in the history of Star Trek, by a factor. At best, they're unremarkable. At worst, they are insufferable and annoying as ****. I don't care about any of them now. At all.

Smart move. Pike is an iconic figure in Trek lore.

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The only actor I liked in Discovery well enough to anticipate watching was Tig Nataro, who played the engineer Jett Reno. I had never seen her before and I had no idea that she was a stand up comic. I swear I laughed every time she was on screen. I liked the character of Saru even though the 'sensing death' thing was stupid. Other than that I can't think of anything I'd miss if this replaced Discovery.

Season 2 was way better than season 1. But, when you think about it even with Spock from the beginning, it gets a lot better when Pike and his crew show up and the story line with them ramps up.

Right. I was pretty excited at just the prospect of seeing an earlier version of Spock on the screen, done well. And it was. But the way the three mains (Pike, Spock, Number 1) came across just popped on the screen. Compared to the Discovery cast those three seriously inhabited their characters. They had this immediate chemistry that was fun to watch, like the actors just got it and took off.

Whoopi’s in for Picard szn 2!!!!

He asked her to join in before season 1 had finished airing. He appeared on the View and asked her on camera IIRC.

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Just in case you needed another reason not to bother with Season 3 of Discovery......

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/enter...ers/index.html

'Star Trek: Discovery' to introduce history-making non-binary and transgender characters

By Sandra Gonzalez, CNN
Updated 4:18 PM ET, Wed September 2, 2020

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Blu del Barrio and Ian Alexander

(CNN)"Star Trek: Discovery" is boldly going where no "Star Trek" TV or film has gone before.

CBS All Access on Wednesday announced that Season 3 of "Star Trek: Discovery" will introduce non-binary and transgender characters, who will be the first in the franchise's history.

"'Star Trek' has always made a mission of giving visibility to underrepresented communities because it believes in showing people that a future without division on the basis of race, gender, gender identity or sexual orientation is entirely within our reach," said Michelle Paradise, co-showrunner and executive producer, in a statement.

One character, named Adira, will be played by Blu del Barrio, a non-binary actor whose preferred pronouns are they and them. Adira is described in a press release as "highly intelligent" and someone who forms "an unexpected bond with Lt. Commander Paul Stamets (Anthony Rapp) and Dr. Hugh Culber (Wilson Cruz)."

Another character, named Gray, will be played by Ian Alexander, a 19-year-old actor who counts Netflix's "The OA" among his other credits.

Gray is said to be "empathetic, warm and eager to fulfill his lifelong dream of being a Trill host, but he will have to adapt when his life takes an unexpected turn," according to a description shared by the network.

"We take pride in working closely with Blu del Barrio, Ian Alexander and Nick Adams at GLAAD to create the extraordinary characters of Adira and Gray, and bring their stories to life with empathy, understanding, empowerment and joy," Paradise added.

The new season is expected to premiere on October 15.

You know how I know that whomever wrote this doesn't give a shit about Trek? STTNG has already hit on this subject with "The Outcast" (Season 5 Episode 17). Trek has gone there before and Soren was the first androgynous character to appear on Trek.

I know. It's the same way they ignored Sisko and Janeway when trumpeting the magnificent virtues of Mary Sue Burnham.

I just hope they're smart enough to contain all the alphabet people to Discovery. Because if they load up the new Pike show with this crap, I won't watch a second of it.

A Star Trek Pike show is as good as it gets for you. And to be fair, I’m really excited too.

Are you boycotting the Lower Decks show as well? Because if you are... you are missing out.

I haven't watched it yet. Not really boycotting, just haven't mustered up the interest. I've been watching Lucifer lately, and have several seasons to get through.

I watched the first episode. It was better than I thought it would be. It was still goofy and cartoonish but it has potential.