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Patrick would rather throw it to anyone but Skyy. That's telling.

He's a rookie, give it time.

Skyy is going full Keysor Soze in the playoffs. Gimp to Mvp receiving 50 yard bombs from Mahomey

The Spirt of Buddy Biancalana LIVES!!!!

I think I've been as big of a defender of Moore as anyone. I liked the pick and I think he can be a good WR for us. Not elite but better than solid.

That said, his usage has been pretty disappointing. Maybe he offers too similar a role to JJSS, who in turn offers a little of what Kelce does. But given how much some of these guys have struggled against man, and that his calling card is winning quickly, it just seems a waste.

I get the argument that maybe he's just not doing enough to convince coaches or Mahomes, and that guys like MVS occupy a different role. But it's a bummer seeing him given less looks than some of the others. It's a waste imo.

This thread has been an epic re-read.

Comparisons to Antonio Brown and expecting 700-800 yards this year.

Whoo boy.

Hater

Meh.

All it takes is 1 heroic catch in the playoffs and everyone will be in full force claiming it was a successful season for him. Skyy got 5 catches for 63 yards against the Chargers and it gets treated like a break out game.

And i think you're right about the JuJu thing. I've been thinking that for awhile now.

Yeah, i get that JuJu and Skyy are totally different in terms of size. But maybe Skyy's role will be similar to JuJu.

I think Skyy's best case scenario going into next season is that the Chiefs see him as this short yardage, reliable target guy who can fill JuJu's shoes in getting open 5-10 yards at a time underneath. Enough so that they allow JuJu to walk.

The optimist in me says that very well could be the case.

I think the thing with Skyy is that with his skillset, he simply can not afford to run routes incorrectly. Even him drifting 2 yards away from his target can not happen. He just doesn't have the athleticism to make up for being imprecise on the field. Welker, who flat out set the standard of a slot receiver, had a 75% catch percentage in his prime (insane, tbh). But that was because Brady (and even CASSEL) could count on him to be where he needed to be with near 100% precision.

Andy has not hid the fact that two of Mahomes interceptions were on Skyy in postgame this year. That's telling from Andy, who usually opts for things like "we gotta play better." Eventually Mahomes is just not going to look in his direction if he can't rely on Skyy to be where he needs to be.

Lol, on most passing plays Sky is usually the 3rd or 4th read at best.

Now think about our OT play this season. Just how often do you people think Patrick getting to the 3rd-4th read on most passing plays?

Begs the question as to why the **** did KC take an undersized WR with limited athleticism in the 2nd round

ROFL
Limited athleticism, oh god.

Does your objection come from one of those excellent 3-cone times that don't exist that y'all keep saying do?

Or is it some outstanding shuttle time?

At some point you fellas convinced yourselves that he's some elite athletic specimen. He isn't. Never has been. As an NFL wide receiver, he's an average athlete...mostly. In some ways he's above average, in some very much below. On balance he's...fine. And small. But he does have good hands and some solid abilities that should make him a decent complementary player someday.

But he's no sort of elite athlete out there, no matter how many times you guys have tried to simply create facts from whole cloth.

I think he could still get 700-800 yards this season!!!

Where did I say he had elite athleticism? Don’t recall going there. I said he could run some sweet routes. He’s got some wiggle. He obviously can run, 4.45 sec/ 40 time, iirc. He can jump, don’t remember what he did in the combine, but we’ve seen him get up in games.

Don’t remember his shuttle/cone time anymore, didn’t realize that we must concede he’s not a good athlete based on some drill he ran in the combine. I always figured the truth about a player came out on the field, not in the combine. My bad.

Y'all are making a single catch against the Chargers do a LOT of work, then...

Who is “y’all”?

And not sure which LAC game you’re referring to but whatever.

I’d hope he has more of a role going into next year

Guess we shall see

I think we all hope that.

But with MVS here and not going anywhere....and Toney....and if you listen to CP, JuJu will be back.

And with the Chiefs likely to pick up another WR from SOMEWHERE, it's not some sure thing that there's a clear path to snaps next season either.

To use Pacheco's words, he's gonna have to take a grown man's job.

So who's that grown man gonna be?

Because if he doesn't, it's gonna be the same excuses as this year. "Well, he's the 5th read, what do you expect?"

Well....i guess i expect him to be all the things everyone told me he'd be? Because if he were, he wouldn't be the 5th read.

So next season, he needs to take a grown man's job. So again, who's that grown man gonna be?

I don’t see bringing jjss back. If that’s the role you want moore to fill atleast

If they do I’d say that says a lot about what they think about moore

Agreed.

If JJSS comes back I think it will be because he loves the system and is willing to take a discount to stay in it. I don't see us being able or should offer him what some other teams will after this season.

So either it will say they don't believe Moore can step up in that role or they'll be able to get Juju back at a price they can't turn down.

I don't believe for a second teams will be clamoring to pay this guy. Nope. If the Chiefs want him back, he'll be back. And he'll still be cheap.

What exactly has he done to show GM's he's anything other than what he's always been? It's been two straight season's with no team offering him big money. I don't see that changing.

If you wanted to run KCs offense you could probably sign JJSS to do a reasonable facsimile of Travis Kelce...

That’s true. I’m not against it, I like jjss a lot

But they can’t keep burning high round picks on guys that take a while to contribute like that

I can't really buy into all the pessimism yet, limited snaps for rookie receivers is longstanding SOP for Andy Reid

To quote Aaron Rodgers... R-E-L-A-X

I mean, what’s the definition of limited? Are we comparing him to randy moss? Or DRob? Or Edelman? I’d say he’s not Randy, or Metcalf, but he’s probably more athletic than Edelman. Certainly faster. I doubt Edelman ever jumped higher or had quicker feet.

Let’s have some kind of reference here at least. And a 5’10” too short to play WR in the NFL? Lot of former WRs would probably disagree.

Antonio Brown had 16 catches for 167 yards snd no TDs as a rookie.

Skyy has 18 for 212.

Suck it, hater.

(Meant as a joke. Skyy hasn’t earned the trust in Mahomes or the coaches as quickly as I anticipated he would)

Here’s my issue with this.

Sure it’s a tough position to learn in this offense. But guys have come in early and done well.

Hardman put up numbers as a rookie. Maclin, jackson etc.

Skyy was a second round pick. If he needed that much time and development, maybe he was drafted too early?

Edelman/Welker is still the target.

Impossible to judge if he was taken too early or not this early in his career.

I guess a fair way to judge that would be to go back through all 2nd round picks at WR over the last 10 years snd see how many were productive as rookies.

If I get bored, I just might do that.

I'd never be that bored

Edelman proday numbers:
40 Yard Dash: 4.52 seconds
40 Yard (MPH): 18.1 (MPH)
20 Yard Split: 2.58 seconds
10 Yard Split: 1.52 seconds
Bench Press: (N/A) reps (225 lb)
Vertical Leap: 36.5 inches
Height: 70.38 inches
Weight: 195 lbs
Broad Jump: 123 inches
Hand Size: (N/A) inches
Arm Length: (N/A) inches
20 Yd Shuttle: 3.92 seconds
Three Cone: 6.62 seconds


Skyy Moore combine numbers

40 Yard Dash: 4.41 seconds
40 Yard (MPH): 18.55 (MPH)
20 Yard Split: 2.51 seconds
10 Yard Split: 1.46 seconds
Bench Press: (N/A) reps (225 lb)
Wonderlic: (N/A) (0-50)
QB Ball Velocity: (N/A) (MPH)
Vertical Leap: 34.5 inches
Broad Jump: (N/A) inches
20 Yd Shuttle: 4.32 seconds
Three Cone: 7.13 seconds


So you can say Edelman is quicker and more explosive while Skyy is faster.

Skyy is a really good route runner. That makes a big difference in his poor 3 cone.

People made AB comparisons partially because of that. He wasn’t the fastest or laterally quick guys but his route running was the difference

Was he drafted too early?

Thats a fair question I guess, but he has made several splash plays so far that render the extreme pessimism unwarranted IMO

And again, I have to go back to the fact that Reid typically makes it tough for rookies to get on the field much... Tyreek Hill aside

But Skyy isn't Reek, and very few guys are

I dunno man, we've seen him occasionally dazzle in a limited role... nice routes, nice wiggle, nice hands, nice burst

Thats enough to satisfy me for now, lets give him some slack

So the target of our 2nd round pick is to turn out like a 7th round pick and an UDFA, both of whom only found success in New England with Brady/Belichick? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not seeing many (if any) examples of that type of WR to find success under Andy Reid.

The target is the production, not the draft position of those players. I think you know that. Pretty much every team in the league for 2 decades was trying to target their first round qbs to turn out like a sixth round pick Tom Brady.

Skyy isnt even Hardman.

Keep watching the Skyys

I'd really like to revisit this thread...oh...about next October.

I have a feeling it'll be a laugh.

I keep hearing that but hasn’t the knock been his poor route running a big reason for his lack of snaps/targets?

How exactly?

Does him being good in his 2nd year in your fantasy somehow cancel out criticism of him being unproductive in his rookie year?

Depends on which argument you pick in this thread. It definitely cancels out the arguments that it's a bad big or he is a bust. Wouldn't cancel out the arguments of being unproductive this year

A pick being a success or failure very seldom is decided in their first season. Usually only by injury in that case.

The Skyy Moore pick is going to end up one of Veaches best picks as a GM.

A needlessly pessimistic take

I'm mad about a few things too, but just can't buy this

He doesn't have to be Mecole, all he has to do is keep producing within the system... and he is doing that

Moore is far more capable of being an every down receiver than Hardman to my eye... not as blistering fast but better able to display availability, and versatility

No one has said it's decided. But it is fair to judge his production up to this point.

Wut?

:LOL: ROFL LMAO

He is progressing through the system just as fast as he and Andy can manage it... prove me wrong

Bet you good money he is a key player next year

Hardman was forced into action early. His rookie year was the year Tyreek got hurt for a month by being body slammed by Jalen Ramsey. Sammy Watkins was hurt during that time too (shocker). Remember the Colts loss at home where it felt like Mecole was the only decent WR we had?

Hardman had 41 targets as a rookie. Skyy has 28 and is on pace for 41.

We've seen Juju, Hardman, and Toney all miss time with injury, all without hardly any increase in usage outside of the LAC game.

Math is hard.

I think he just isn't where he is supposed to be when Mahomes looks for him.

3 of the interceptions Mahomes has thrown this year are because Skyy Moore didn't do what Mahomes expected him to do.

If you can't be where you are supposed to be, it's very hard for the QB to trust you.

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Don't you think saying a Hall of Fame player is the target is a little farfetched and a little too ambitious?

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Sky's learning curve has been steep.

receivers can take a little bit of time, only legends have 1,000 their rookie season. But still, I think that last sentence is a little too optimistic, 200 yard rookie season doesn't scream anything. You just have to hope it's because there are 3 good receivers ahead of him, it takes a rookie longer to learn Reid's system, Watson took some PT from him, and that he'll break out next season.

No. I really don’t.

I watched both players whole careers and when I watch Skyy Moore play, that’s the player I see. I’ve made those comparisons from before we drafted him, too.

I see a player tailor made for our offensive system.

Some CPers might remember what TG’s rookie year was like before they summarily throw Skyy onto the scrap heap. Sometimes, I mean every now and again, a player has a less than ideal start to their career. I know that sounds like excuse-making to some , but it has happened In the history of the game.

No-one will admit to being wrong. I figure if it's another year like this or marginally better the naysayers can tell me I told you so. Question is what next year allows me to say the same? 600 yards? 800 yards? From my end I'm not sure but for those questioning him I'd be genuinely interested in what would change their minds

I'll say that it's time to give all of watsons snaps to Skyy. They're both going to make mistakes so I'd rather let Skyy make them since he's part of the future

Toney is our early 2nd rd draft pick.

Skyy Moore is the guy we traded crap pics for to take a flier on him.

Well, might as well have been.

Moore looked good today.

Better than a starter I'm not going to name.......

5 yards is pretty damn impressive

Wat

Yeah, given Moore seems to block fairly well too I'm inclined to agree. Would love to know what's holding him back. Lack of understanding, lack of trust in his understanding, abundance of caution with a rookie, specific game-planning?

Skyy seemed to be the check down on several plays.

yes.

How can you give Watson's snaps to Skyy when they don't play the same position it's not like Skyy is going deep

Ha, you think it's all of that? But man id rather have him targeted than Watson.

...is he unable to go deep?

This type of thinking works... Its what I used to do with CEH and Sneed.

Hardman and Mahomes seemed to take forever to think the same

Dont know why not. Hes faster than Watson. Ran a 4.41 40 yard dash at the combine.

Might still be a headcase, but in case anyone was wondering Pickens is now up to 700 yards and 3 TD, probably finishes the season with 800+ yards. Clearly is an elite talent, if he can keep his head on straight that’s the kind of guy we sure could have used on offense.

Oh, and 11 snaps for Skyy Moore yesterday. Every WR on the roster is getting more reps than him.

This would be too logical.

Boss is right to keep his projection too...

Edelman is HOF caliber except for those first 4 seasons.
Welker and Steve Smith are HOF except that first season was a real shitter.
The list carries on.

Point is that the guy could go on to have a HOF career yet. He's not trash just because of his rookie season.

If he looks lost, isn't getting PT, and is a genuine dung cake come middle of 2023, then its probably time to start firing up these talks.

I can accept it's hard to defend his production this year, but basically all of this.