Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 8440416)

I agree, but outside of the NCAA tourney itself in basketball the conference tournaments mean very little. The only exception is for those that need to win theirs to get a bid. The Pac 12 was the exception this year, but generally speaking if you are from a power conference and you do well during the regular season, you will get a NCAA tournament bid regardless of how you did in the conference tournament. Look at KU/MU. MU won the Big XII tournament while KU won the conference championship. KU has a much better chance at a #1 seed than MU. The same could also be said for UK and SU, and UNC. They will all be #1 seeds regardless of how they do in their respective tournaments. Now when I talk about regular season success over postseason, it only is in reference to conference tournaments in men's BB. In every other sport, post season success easily trumps regular season success.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 8440426)

I am not looking through 59 pages of posts so I am not sure if it has been posted yet but FWIW the experts at ESPN feel that had Mizzou beaten KU in the Big XII championship they would have been a #1 seed. But since KU did not make it, a MU win over Baylor is not enough to justify a #1 seed. Not saying I agree or disagree with it, but it is what some are thinking. Hopefully winning the Big XII championship allows for MU to stay in the midwest as a #2.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 8440385)

If those sports had some kind of divisional or conference tournament before the playoffs that no effect on whether the top teams made the playoffs, I'd care about the regular season more than that divisional/conference tournament.... especially the latter 3, who spend 82 or 162 games jockeying for position.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8440436)

This is what I've said basically. I think if MU had beaten KU again, they would have been above them on the S-curve. Still not sure it would have been enough to go ahead of the B10 teams.

Originally Posted by beer bacon (Post 8440454)

Mizzou beats KU in the eye test, the "Who would you bet to win" test, and the "less likely to choke in the second round" test.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 8440439)

The post-season conference tournaments do have an effect on whether teams make the NCAA tournament (and where they're seeded). And IIRC, the Big 12's only automatic qualifier is determined by the Big 12 tournament, no? Maybe you should care about it more than you do.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8440464)

A team that doesn't play defense and relies entirely on hitting jump shots seems like far more of a threat to drop an elimination game to an inferior team to me. You do or die with that shot, as they say.

Originally Posted by beer bacon (Post 8440448)

How happy are KU fans that they choked in the Big 12 Tournament and didn't have to play MU again? Instead of getting drilled by a red hot Mizzou team, KU fans now have enough grey area they can continue to talk trash. KU takes care of business against Baylor, and their fans would be in hiding today.

Also were any of the CP KU fans at the game yesterday? There were some in my section, and most of them were living and dying with every Baylor basket. It was great to see them all slowly realize Baylor had no shot and leave in the second half.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8440436)

This is what I've said basically. I think if MU had beaten KU again, they would have been above them on the S-curve. Still not sure it would have been enough to go ahead of the B10 teams.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8440464)

A team that doesn't play defense and relies entirely on hitting jump shots seems like far more of a threat to drop an elimination game to an inferior team to me. You can live or die with that shot, as they say.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 8440476)

I hate this belief that the Big 10 is great. That conference is garbage. Outside of OSU and MSU the other "ranked" teams would get absolutely abused in either the Big XII, ACC, or BE. I think that conference is way, way too overrated.

Originally Posted by beer bacon (Post 8440448)

How happy are KU fans that they choked in the Big 12 Tournament and didn't have to play MU again? Instead of getting drilled by a red hot Mizzou team, KU fans now have enough grey area they can continue to talk trash. KU takes care of business against Baylor, and their fans would be in hiding today.

Also were any of the CP KU fans at the game yesterday? There were some in my section, and most of them were living and dying with every Baylor basket. It was great to see them all slowly realize Baylor had no shot and leave in the second half.