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Mosbonian 03-11-2012 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 8440476)
I hate this belief that the Big 10 is great. That conference is garbage. Outside of OSU and MSU the other "ranked" teams would get absolutely abused in either the Big XII, ACC, or BE. I think that conference is way, way too overrated.

Interestingly enough, if you talk with intelligible B1G 10 fans, they will tell you that the conference is overrated. Most will point to OSU and MSU as the power teams.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-11-2012 01:28 PM

Mizzou is a very efficient offensive team. Not about to rip them for shooting "too many jumpers".

Mosbonian 03-11-2012 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8440592)
No, if their seasons were on the line, Kelly and Henson would have been playing this week. They didn't because these games are largely meaningless to them.

Neither Kelly nor Henson would have been able to effectively play and contribute positively. Might even have been a liability.

You can't make the assertion they were held out because the tourney wasn't "important"

KC_Connection 03-11-2012 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 8440593)
But we don't rely on it.

Getting open looks from the perimeter is what their offense is all about. They are incredible at doing so. But if they don't hit those shots, they are at an enormous risk of an upset.

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BTW, do you have a link to that stat?
You wouldn't be able to see it on Pomeroy's site without a subscription. I've also made a huge mistake in reading it. 37.5% of your shots come on 3s (not 39.5)....which is 74th out of 345 and 2nd in the B12 (behind Iowa State). Still a significant jump-shooting offense, but not as much as I thought.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-11-2012 01:30 PM

I smell a name change to KenPom Whisperer in the near future for a certain Beaker.

stonedstooge 03-11-2012 01:30 PM

KU fans spin shit worse than the ****ing White House

eazyb81 03-11-2012 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8440617)
Mizzou has the most efficient offense in the country. Not about to rip them for shooting "too many jumpers".

FYP

KC_Connection 03-11-2012 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 8440624)
Neither Kelly nor Henson would have been able to effectively play and contribute positively. Might even have been a liability.

You can't know this.

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You can't make the assertion they were held out because the tourney wasn't "important"
They were held out specifically because the conference tournaments aren't as important to them as next week.

Mosbonian 03-11-2012 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8440617)
Mizzou is a very efficient offensive team. Not about to rip them for shooting "too many jumpers".

I seem to remember that they are th #1 most efficient offense in the nation, even better than Kentucky.

But that doesn't matter...all it takes is one game where our shots don't fall and we are screwed.

Wait....what do you mean that the same analogy applies to any team in the tournament? Surely this applies only to MU,:rolleyes:

Bearcat 03-11-2012 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 8440646)
I seem to remember that they are th #1 most efficient offense in the nation, even better than Kentucky.

But that doesn't matter...all it takes is one game where our shots don't fall and we are screwed.

Wait....what do you mean that the same analogy applies to any team in the tournament? Surely this applies only to MU,:rolleyes:

Yes, it's black and white... no way it might matter more for MU than other teams.... any stat that shows MU might be vulnerable must be cherry-picking spin by some butthurt Beaker.

Dartgod 03-11-2012 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8440630)
Getting open looks from the perimeter is what their offense is all about. They are incredible at doing so. But if they don't hit those shots, they are at an enormous risk of an upset.


You wouldn't be able to see it on Pomeroy's site without a subscription. I've also made a huge mistake in reading it. 37.5% of your shots come on 3s (not 39.5)....which is 74th out of 345 and 2nd in the B12 (behind Iowa State). Still a significant jump-shooting offense, but not as much as I thought.

I'd like to see how the entire conference is rated. If Mizzou is at 37.5% and everyone else is in the 20's %-wise, then you have a point. My guess is that it is more like 37.5, 36, 35.5, 34, 33, etc.

In other words, not a real significant difference.

KC_Connection 03-11-2012 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 8440600)
Maybe they just take the open look. And you would agree that sitting back on the threes opens up the lnae later in the games, no?

If you can get an open look at a 3 in Missouri's offense with their efficiency, you might as well take it, yes.


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And really, label them whatever you want. Whoever they are and however they're doing it is working.
No doubt. But the NCAA tournament crapshoot is the great equalizer. An entire season of games comes down to whether your players can make their 3s or not.

Bearcat 03-11-2012 01:35 PM

Lunardi has Kentucky, Syracuse, UNC, and the Big Ten winner as the 1 seeds... someone else is making a case for Mizzou.


(watching espn)

Mosbonian 03-11-2012 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8440641)
You can't know this.


They were held out specifically because the conference tournaments aren't as important to them as next week.

I can't know this any more than you know for sure the opposite.

KC_Connection 03-11-2012 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 8440657)
I'd like to see how the entire conference is rated. If Mizzou is at 37.5% and everyone else is in the 20's %-wise, then you have a point. My guess is that it is more like 37.5, 36, 35.5, 34, 33, etc.

In other word, not a real significant difference.

Iowa St: 42.2%
MU: 37.5%
OSU: 35.8%
Baylor: 31.9%
Texas: 31.1%
Kansas: 30.5%
KSU: 29.7%
A&M: 29%
Tech: 27.1%
OU: 21.9%

MU takes a lot of jump shots. Mostly open ones, but jump shots nonetheless.


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