Kershaw is not going to be available, but Billingsly is... and I hear we are going to make a push.

not that Billingsly isn't quality, but he is not kershaw. I'd still trade prospects but not the motherload.

Not that Billingsley wouldn't be an upgrade over what they have, but the need is for a legit #1 or top tier #2. Would you really consider Billingsley as the missing piece?

He is numbers were not as good this year as years past. Should that be a concern or are we buying low?

Yeah, Billingsley would be great at all, but I think we need to be careful not to overvalue the player in terms of the prospects that we'd trade for him.

Kershaw or bust! and if we can get jurjjens cheap that too

Are you all serious in that you think Dayton Moore would actually try to trade for Kershaw? He overvalues his own guys so much it's ridiculous. He's not going to trade for probably one of the most coveted young players in the entire game.

I want no part of Jair Jurrjens. He's a pitch to contact guy who doesn't strike anyone out and is completely reliant on luck to put up good numbers. His first half was built almost entirely on a ridiculously low BABIP. No thanks.

Billingsley is someone you can kick the tires on, though. Better K rate, not a dominant guy but a good, solid No. 2.

Cost on the two is going to be similar, but Billingsley is a much better pitcher.

I would love for them to make a run at Clayton Kershaw, but I don't know how likely it is. Seems like it would require at least Montgomery or Myers, and I'm not sure Moore would move either (not only are they keystone prospects for the Royals, but Moore and company are in love with both, AND they both would be sell-low prospects at this time.)

I still think adding a solid No. 2 is enough to get this team into the .500 range next season. A true No. 1 would be ideal, but acquiring one in a pitching-poor offseason will be problematic.

Any way of knowing what pitchers will be available AFTER next season? (if it hasn't already been discussed)

Yes, you want to trade for the NL CY Young winner, and a youngish player at that, but not give up anyone good. Right, I'm sure the Dodgers will be all over that. When will people realize to get something you have to give something?

at this point that may be warranted.

all that have come up so far look, right now at least, to be as advertised.

he has been right so far with his picks.


they all may come crashing down though i doubt it. hos is the real deal, moose is looking like he is starting to get it, gio is looking good, perez looks like he is very special (and moore signed him at what 16?)

might as well overvalue up until he is proven wrong IMO

Just my feeling here but I think they may be open to letting Myers go. As I've mentioned before I've read that he resisted the move to the outfield so he wasn't picking it up as fast as they'd have liked. I can't remember where I read that though. Francouer being extended could be evidence of that if you want to read into it.

Montgomery would be more difficult to give up since he's exactly what we need position wise.

Just imo.

I would gladly do something centered around...

Montgomery/Cain OR
Myers/Odorizzi

I just don't think Dayton Moore will. Something like Cain+Dwyer+?? for Billingsley is more likely.

The Dodgers are on record that they have to seriously cut payroll and they want prospects in return. If we have one thing, it's prospects and lots of them. I'm not saying it will happen but I don't think it's quite as far fetched as it might seem.

Interesting you heard that. I saw a recent scouting report on Myers (I think it was from Prospectus) that spoke highly of his transition to RF. The injuries seem to have really hampered him with the bat this season, though.

I don't see Francouer's extension blocking Myers. It's only two years. Myers is likely to start this season at AA (though a AAA promotion wouldn't shock) and is unlikely to be ready before the start of next season.

If he's ready to go out of ST next year, you can promote him and start trying to move Frenchy. Or you can wait until June and save a year on his service clock, then move Frenchy.

I would be open to trading him. Just not sure Moore would be. He still speaks pretty glowingly of the kid (especially in the KC Star chat from earlier this week).