LMAO How the **** does the defense have nothing to do with it? That's complete and utter bullshit. It's a team sport dude. ND won by 3 points in all three of those games. If your defense is good, they don't let lesser teams score. Simple as that.

Yes I still believe that. I said they are the best conference. Does Oregon losing to a ranked Stanford team change anything in the SEC? K-State played a terrible game, but they still have the same record as Alabama. Alabama has beaten LSU and who else? Georgia lost by 28 points. So you tell me, why are they ranked as high as they are?

For a KU fan to continually pimp the SEC is completely dumbfounding.

Gonna be a little humorous when everyone has one loss after next week and Ohio St will be the only undefeated team and possible the AP #1.

ESPN's BCS guru thinks it'll be ND/Alabama/Georgia/Florida/Oregon in the top 5 tomorrow. K-State falls out of the top 5.

Florida is way overrated. Their offense is terrible and they will get blown out by FSU next week.

Funny.....I've never said that ND would go out destroy Alabama. Golson is getting better as the year goes on though.....and I don't give a **** how we won the games.....we still won them.

That being said.....we still need to beat USC next week.

The Irish have allowed over 14 points twice all season. By your logic, every good team should shut out every bad team they play. Jesus, watch the games and then come back and talk smack.

I don't see it that way. Being a KU fan has given me an opportunity over the last five years to watch a lot of college football other than KU and the B12 conference. I've realized that the SEC is vastly superior to it and every other one. Even with everyone's obvious biases here, I'm still not sure why this isn't plainly obvious.

It's the strength of the conference that makes Alabama rated as high as they are (and they deserve the credit for playing through the tougher schedule).

No problem. It happens to everyone.

Fair enough. I don't see it that way (I think that even if the best two teams are in one conference, you should still go with them regardless), but I get that perspective (of wanting to have two "winners" there).

Damn, next year's format can't come soon enough.


Of course, with next year's format, Oregon's loss wouldn't have near the impact it does this year.......

If they had played all of the other "tough" teams in the SEC I would totally agree with you. They have played LSU (probably should have lost, but they won and thats all that matters) and Texas A&M (lost). They haven't had to play Georgia, Florida, or South Carolina. If you have watched Alabama against LSU and TA&M, you have to admit that they aren't dominant as everyone thought they were earlier in the season. Their defense can be exploited on the back end if the other team can protect their QB. McCarron has played well, but in the big games has looked shaky (not withstanding the final drive against LSU).

I have conceded that the SEC is the best conference in college footall. I just don't see the "head and shoulders" part of it. All of the top teams have flaws and I think they get more credit than deserved based on past performance.

I just cannot understand how you can knock Alabama for playing a tough game against LSU, and not knock Notre Dame for playing a tough game against Pittsburgh.

What the hell are people arguing about?

If Notre Dame and all those SEC teams win next week, it will be Notre Dame and Alabama in the championship game. And it's not even close.

What are we even debating here?

I just honestly think the SEC in general, while they say is a good conference, and I'm not disputing that, I just have an issue of bias being involved because of Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and South Carolina being all log-jammed in the middle.

The SEC has mastered the art of manipulating the polls.

It also goes a long way with the perception that they are the toughest conference - play high-profile conference games opening weekend and impress pollsters while everyone else is playing patsies, for the most part. The winners of their difficult early conference games end up in the top 10, like, every year.

Either way, I just have no desire to see a SEC/SEC match-up at all.

What happens when Matt Barkley comes out like Willis Reed next week and throws 4 TDs with his left arm to win the game.