I'm inclined to agree. AS isn't the long term future. I don't know if Bray is, but I will go on record saying the next starter we get will be ours first and will be long term.

Because I as a fan have an impact on who they trade for/draft, etc?

I think it's crazy to watch the game last night and not see Geno's potential. He is comfortable in the pocket and runs through his reads. He just under-threw guys and has to learn how to get the ball out. People need to learn how to judge things a little deeper than face value.

You need to learn how to evaluate QB play.

Comfortable in the pocket? Runs through reads?

Did you watch the game?

Planning on flip flopping some more? Or are you going to stick with an opinion for once?

No, it's not.

But there is a huge difference between actually developing a QB, quietly, whether it be as a second or third stringer, and starting a QB that is clearly not ready to start.

Out of the 2013 QB class, I preferred Manuel and Bray due to their ideal size and arm strength. Contrary to what all of the SEC and Florida fans said this offseason, Manuel doesn't "suck" and he has a ton of potential. He's also NFL ready as a starter.

The other players in this draft are not.

Bray is only 21 years old. If he can stay out of trouble and focus on football, he's in a great position to challenge for the starting spot in 2015, in which he'd only be 23 years old to start the season.

IMO, the Chiefs currently have the best of both worlds. A solid NFL starting QB and a young developmental QB. I'm not sure what else people could expect, especially after the past six seasons.

The question I keep asking is why this is a Smith/Smith debate, and nobody is starting a Smith/Manuel debate. Smith has raised many flags, biggest one being his massive draft day tumble. Manuel's stock is rising and he looked good in week 1 against the same team that crushed Geno.

More than anything, with Geno there are red flags on his attitude and his accuracy has to be called into question. He didn't just underthrow yesterday, he threw passes into the dirt, behind receivers, and over receivers' heads. And not just by a little, by a lot.

Where did I say differently?

He looked good at times, which were followed up by horrendous decisions, overthrows, underthrows and awful pocket presence. Essentially, the same knocks he had back in April.

Maybe he'll "get it" and maybe he won't. But he's faced two of the worst defenses in the NFL his first two weeks and has four INT's.

And without an egregiously stupid play on the behalf of Lavonte David, the Jets would be 0-2.

You were all over Geno's nuts up until we didn't draft him.....now all of a sudden he had problems in college and is not improving.

Um, no.

I liked him, but said he had problems. I would have like for us to have drafted him, but I realized what he wasn't and moved on.

And did he not have problems in college, the same problems he's having now?

It doesn't matter who is on the other end of the debate.

Christ, people think we got the best QB of the class as an UDFA.

Geno is overrated.

I flipped. Once I saw the Chiefs were not going to take him, I jumped ship.

Not sure why any Chiefs fan should give a shit about Geno.