Well, thank you for that. One of the first phrases is "cost effective," and that's when I threw the **** up.

couple Greinke notes from Jayson Stark

• Clubs that have spoken to the Royals say Kansas City would only accept a bunch of front-line players for Zack Greinke. One of those players must be a pitcher with a Greinke-like ceiling, so GM Dayton Moore expects a lot for his ace.

• Clubs that have checked in with the Royals believe Greinke would veto a deal to any major market East Coast team. However, one official says the pitcher “would at least think about the L.A. clubs.”

edit: actually, this is a more useful version from Stark

And this cannot change. If you trade a player like Greinke, you simply have to get a great return. If not, you must be fired. And I cannot stress "must" enough.

Sucks. I wish DDJ the best. Quality at bats for 100 Loss team in the heat is not easy.

I'm not saying the guy is going to light the world on fire. He looks like a 4.15 80 BB/150 K guy to me.

But he also would've led this team in quality start percentage last year at 23 years old. He did some okay things last year.

Mazzaro is an intriguing piece... Much more upside in terms of stuff than a Bannister/Sean O'Sullivan. As early as 09, he was considered a big piece of the A's future along with Cahill and Anderson.

I think Marks is just more depth... you've got to think that at some point, the lefty pitching prospects will be exchanged for some young hitters...

DeJesus getting hurt when he did really boned the Royals. He was a pretty hot trade piece at the time, and it killed that. It also killed his chance of being a Type A free agent. Type B free agents bring much less of a haul (less than this trade, even).

If DeJesus recovers and has a really good offensive season, this trade probably works out as a loss. But if he doesn't hit well enough to qualify for Type A FA status (which I'm sure is what Beane is looking for), this is about as good as you'd have gotten for him.

IMHO this trade SUCKS BIG-TIME!

When will the future actually arrive to the K? DDJ is a player who developed in the last few years within our club and is hitting (no pun intended) his prime years right now. He deserved to get a Gold Glove last year and was on his way to deserving one this year. He's an above-average hitter with some decent power and can run. But now DM's throwing him out because negotiation time's coming up? Pay the man! He's worth the risk. This is looking like the Carlos Beltran deal: Toss away a legitimate All Star and get players who have budding potential. This is EXACTLY what Zack Greinke was bitching about earlier this year. When will DM finally seal up the revolving door, hold onto his cards, and go all in? How many teams have reached the World Series with 22 of its 25 players under 30 years old? And yet we retain Billy Butler who, yeah, hits alot of doubles, but is a sub-par defensive player with limited range and below-average speed and is often the 2nd out of double plays? R U F'n kidding me? And that's just one Royals player who DM should have traded before offering DDJ to anyone. DM: You're doing it bass-ackwards -- keep the proven productive ones and get more by packaging up and trading prospects with (possible) up-side who are 2 or more years away from the bigs. If before today anyone out there doubted that the Royals were the farm system for the other MLB teams, then this is now your wake-up call: There is absolutely no way anyone can deny it.

First, DeJesus was not and is not an All-Star caliber player. What he is, however, is a very solid starting LF, who would start on most clubs in the league, including both who played in that World Series thing.

But, as much as I dislike DM, he has shown that he'll stop the revolving door. Evidence A: Greinke.

We'll see what happens with this trade. Could be a loss. Who knows? But placing too much importance in DDJ is misguided, IMO.

First, DeJesus was not and is not an All-Star caliber player. What he is, however, is a very solid starting LF, who would start on most clubs in the league, including both who played in that World Series thing.

But, as much as I dislike DM, he has shown that he'll stop the revolving door. Evidence A: Greinke.

We'll see what happens with this trade. Could be a loss. Who knows? But placing too much importance in DDJ is misguided, IMO.

A lot of it probably does have to do with age and potential. This isn't quite the Beltran deal, and he's not Butler. Beltran was 27 when we traded him. Butler is 24 years old.

Remember, when he hits free agency next offseason, DDJ will be 32 years old. I still think he has the potential to put up .330/15-20 HR seasons, no doubt. I think he can be a very underrated, valuable player for a winning team. But his next contract might take him to 35-36 years old. He might permanently be a corner OF'er at that point.

This deal is not even close to being Beltran-like. And "might" be a permanent corner OFer? He's that now.

The problem with DDJ is that his glove doesn't play in CF and his bat is less than ideal for a corner spot. Overall, and I don't mean for this to sound contradictory, I agree that he's an underrated LFer. Ironically, he's largely overrated by Royals fans.

(and Hoch is a #4 :evil:)

As long as Brian Bannister is being replaced, I'm happy.

I think he can still play center. At least he avoids making too many bonehead plays out there. I always thought he'd develop the ability to steal bases more than he has... that might be his biggest problem. He's hardly been able to push being a 10/10 guy. But he does hit doubles and triples. Our offense definitely went down a notch without him.

I won't even acknowledge the tripe that is your last statement. :D If you mean behind Greinke, Crow, and Mazzaro, then sure.

I was a big fan of DDJ, but am not mad that we traded him. I'm not overjoyed at what we got for him, but admittedly that has to do with the fact that I've never heard of these guys.

He's a guy who was on a ton of horrible teams & (as far as I remember) never complained about it. Solid player, wish he could have stayed a Royal, but if it helps the team win some games, I'm all for it. I just want this damn team to be competitive!

So instead of trading DeJesus for 1 decent prospect he trades him for a replacement level RHP with fringe stuff and a(nother) lefty that doesn't seem like he projects to do much at the major league?

I've always said that DeJesus has more value to other teams than he would KC, but a steady bat at the top of your order is a big deal and the Royals just gave one away.

If they couldn't do better than this, they should've had him play out the season and offered him arby to pick up at least a sandwich pick as a type B FA.

Not a good trade.

heh, ok dial it down a bit. DDJ wishes in his wildest fantasy that he was as good as Beltran.

I like DeJesus, he's a nice solid guy, but he's a left-fielder worth about 2 wins above replacement. If a win is worth about 5 million, then starting at 10, and discounting due to his non-premium position, perhaps he's a solid decent $8MM or so outfielder. At 6, he's a nice discount this year, but he sure as hell is not an all-star, and there are lingering concerns that his hand injury could sap his power next season.

I'm annoyed about the move because I think we could have gotten better for him at the deadline (or maybe sign if he doesn't have a wildly inflated opinion of himself) and DM let him go too early, not because this was a pure Beltran salary dumping surrender.

No question.

But I heard there's a certain RH "power" hitting OFer from the ATL area who is now available...

1) Mazzaro has more upside than as a replacement-level guy. And he's got better than fringe stuff. He's a guy who in the minor leagues took some time at each level before feeling comfortable challenging hitters, which is when his stuff usually started to improve. 92-93 with good movement will play in the major leagues, if you have command...
2) Mazzaro and Sykes are both pretty similar to anything you could nab in the sandwich round, Sykes especially.

DM apparently said this deal was better than anything he had available at the deadline last season before DDJ went down. If that is true (really?), then I would have rather taken my chances.

You know Francouer is heading to KC now that he is a FA, Dayton is drooling

Don't even think that. (or at least not more than 1 year at the minimum salary if we really have to fill the spot) If you assume disaster it could happen.

I don't know if there's anything that could incite the rage I felt after learning about the Betancourt trade and then, months later, the Kendall contract.

Sorry, but a guy that throws in the low 90's with a minor league WHIP of 1.37 over 500+ innings is a fringe major leaguer. Throw in the fact that his command is sub-par and you're looking at a guy with #4 starter upside. His major league numbers are below average and that's pitching for a sound defensive squad in a pitchers park in a weak division (Texas excluded). His road ERA is nearly a run higher than his home ERA and to end the season he went 0-6. The kid's just not very good - I'd be surprised if he's ever the equal of Jeff Suppan.

He's O'Sullivan with a bit more velocity. Hell, he might just be Brian Bannister again.

I'd take the sandwich pick without thinking twice.

I am glad DDJ is gone, he won't have a longterm future here and we may as well get what we can. I like him as a player, i will miss him blowing bubbles and his sandy vag.

Seriously though i wish him well in Oakland.

I am glad DDJ is gone, he won't have a longterm future here and we may as well get what we can. I like him as a player, i will miss him blowing bubbles and his sandy vag.

Seriously though i wish him well in Oakland.

You know you want to feel an ice breeze on a hot summer day in KC, Francouer can give us a temp. drop of about 5 degrees with the light winds err wiffs from homeplate.

9 million off the Royals books next year too.

Trade DDJ and cut Banny?

wow...

welp they both suck IMO

You said he had "fringe stuff." That's not accurate if you read any of the scouting reports on him from his minor league days. A low 90s fastball with good movement - especially good late movement - is an effective pitch. He's got at least usable changeup and breaking pitches. His upside actually is that of a #3 if you read any of that stuff on him.

He's 24. A year and a half ago, he was extremely highly thought of. Generally isn't a good idea to give up on pitchers QUITE that early.

Sykes is exactly the type of person you get with a sandwich pick.

The compensation for Type B free agents, quite honestly, really isn't worth the risk of offering arbitration that is required to receive the compensation.

If DeJesus comes out like he did this season and puts up similar offensive numbers, Mazzaro and Sykes aren't enough compared to what his value would be. But if he struggles with the bat at all - or even just has a .280/10/60/80/5 campaign - it's better than the alternative.

Should have an idea by midseason how good or bad this trade was. Right now, it's too early.

DDJ is a #7 hitter on a good team...

He was more valuable to us than anyone one else. That said he will add to a championship team (which isnt the A's). I think this may be one of the better deals we couldve gotten for him. Too bad he got hurt, im sure he wouldve been a Giant

Scott Pioli>Dayton Moore

DM has the #1 minor league system, i'd say things are on the up for the Royals big time...

The outrage for DDJ being traded is like as if he traded Beltran.

Can we at least wait until these guys do soemthing at the Major league level??

This is the equalivent of saying the Chiefs won the draft in April.

No reason NOT to get excited about the future...i mean wtf else do we have at this point? We know we'll lose 100 games this year and have sucked for 25 years or so

I am ready to see these kids play

True, but its not like there's no objective reason to be excited, given history.

The Royals are a lock to be declared as the #1 farm system in baseball next season. Not only will we have the best farm system in baseball, but it is arguably one of the best "#1 farm systems" in recent history comparable to the Rays a few years ago, much better than a typical "#1 farm system". If I remember right, of the last 10 or 20 teams (dont remember which) who were given that designation, almost every single one of them (only except one) made the playoffs within 3 or 4 years.

The royals are going to suck next season, but by 2013 this is going to be a good team. It is possible that enough players will disappoint to the point that we don't become a "great" team, but the Royals will be "good" at a minimum. We simply have far too many class-A and solid class-B+ prospects to miss.

(edit: In the last decade, EVERY #1 farm system has made the playoffs within 5 years.)

Not sad to see DDJ go. I never liked him. I can't stand a guy and almost appears happy after he strikes out with a runner on third and no outs. He was a solid player but not someone I really cared to see play.

Look for more shiny objects coming soon to Kauffman Stadium.
Bring the whole family...it's fun!
And there's a baseball game going on too.... who knew???

Who the hell is Sykes?

I assume you mean Marks? And no - he's nothing like what you'd get in the sandwich rounds. He's a 22 year old 3rd round pick that spent most of the year struggling in A ball. If that's your sandwich pick - fire your scouting department.

You know how you can tell that Mazzaro's stuff isn't that good? His results. Even in the minors, his groundball rate wasn't actually that good (below average, in fact).

For a guy that doesn't have any decent secondary offerings, doesn't miss bats and doesn't throw particularly hard, his groundball rate pretty much sucks. He seems to generate outs by throwing 92 mph 'heat' somewhere near the zone and hoping hitter hit the ball at someone. A 'usable changeup' doesn't come in 6 mph slower than his fastball unless the bottom drops out of it, Mazzaro's doesn't.

If he's a lefthander, he has good stuff. But as a 6'2'' righthander without a plus secondary offering of any sort, a 92 mph fastball that doesn't generate grounders is nothing. His stuff, scouting reports be damned, is mediocre at best.

His 'low 90's fastball with movement' has actually had a worse value/100 than Bannister's. That 'movement' by the way? It was almost exactly the same as Bannister's, with an average vertical Z axis of about 9.6, compared to 9.5 for Bannister (meaning that Bannister's actually has a little more drop; Lowe was 3.4 for comparison). The drop on his changeup was also the exact same as Banny's. But hey, at least he makes up for it by getting half as much horizontal movement on his slider as Bannister.

Mazzaro isn't good. He's better than Bannister only because his fastball is about a MPH faster, so there's room for growth there. But that very same fastball was actually a less effective pitch than Bannister's was last season.

Unless Mazzaro can about 3 times the drop he had on his fastball last season, he's just another 5th starter.

Congrats. I'd have taken my chances on the sandwich pick.

Oh please. And I'm sure you'd be begging to get rid of Hines Ward if he was on the Chiefs - "He smiled after he couldn't cath that pass - he must not care"

If anyone was paying attention, you just saw a team that did something similar to what the Royals are doing play in the World Series. They did it through their farm system and trades (with the Braves no less). The Texas Rangers had the best farm system in the majors. They made trades (Cliff Lee) and build up their team.

The Royals are doing it the right way under a small market style. The Royals have a Who's who of minor league players at almost every position in the Minors. They have the best 3rd base prospect (Moose Tacos). They have 3 of the best pitching prospects. However, these kids are 2 years away from being stars. Baseball America is considering 11 players for minor league player of the year and four of them were Royals. It used to be that the Royals had 1 or 2 big time prospects in the minors, now they have 9 big time prospects. They have those Moos, Hosmer, Colon, Duffy, Lamb, Montgomery, Will Myers (maybe the best prospect, better numbers at C position than Joe Mauer and Buster Posey in minors and is only 19).

Most of these players spent last year in the A/AA league. They will need another year in AA/AAA before they jump to the Majors, but don't let that fool you, scouts are gushing over some of these propects. The Royals will try to get all of them in the Majors for a couple years together.

My last point, it seems like Greinke would be gone or in the last year of his contract when these kids make it to the bigs, so the Royals are looking to shop him.

If you are a Royals fan, here is what you want:
You want Cliff Lee to go to the Yankees. The teams that want Greinke are the Colorado Rockies and the Texas Rangers. The Rangers have exceptional prospects.

The Royals would want 2 top shelf prospects and a Major League ready player. The Rangers would supposedly look to offer Derek Holland (LH pitcher) and 2 of their top prospects (1 is Tanner Scheppers RH fireballer, who the Royals want). The Royals are in a really good position, it will just take a couple years to get there.

As for the extra money saved by the Royals, I want them to sign one player to a longer term contract and I am thinking to keep him for 7-9 more years. He is the best at his position in the Major Leagues, the Mexicutioner Joakim Soria.

The Royals are in a very similar situation to where the Rangers were a couple of years ago. Glad I'm not the only one who sees the similarities. Also their GM Jon Daniels started off making some bone headed trades as well.

Maybe if you had looked at any of the old Royals threads would see my disdain for DDJ. I never like the way he played and wanted him gone last year. He was a veteran that looked happy to collect his paycheck regardless if the team won or not. I would rather have a redass on the team that is pissed off most of the time....with the exception of Kendall, he was just dead money.

Both DDJ and Joe Randa were annoying smilers.

DDJ was probably just happy, but I think Randa's face was shaped in a way that made it look like he was always grinning, kind of like The Joker.

DDJ im sure wants to win, but at the same time he's probably smiling cause hes doing what he loves.

DDJ im sure wants to win, but at the same time he's probably smiling cause hes doing what he loves.

I'm sorry but the Rangers being the #1 system in the minors has almost zero to do with their success. Feliz was good and Andrus is a good SS defensively but pretty bad offensively, but that's about it from their farm system other than an aging Young and Kinsler who had just ok seasons(neither had an OPS above .800). In reality, the Rangers got extremely lucky that Wilson and Lewis turned out to be solid if unspectacular, Hamilton became an MVP, Nelson Cruz hits .318/.374/.576 and hits 55 HR's in 2 years despite hitting a combined 22 in his first 4 years in the majors and never being considered a good prospect, they got one more year out of an aging superstar who probably won't last through next year(Vlad), and they played in a division where the A's and Mariners weren't anything special and the Angels had a down year.

I don't think anyone in this thread is complaining about the farm system; most of us are aware and excited. However, many of Dayton's decisions at the major league level have been questionable at best. The fear is that once the young guys are ready, DM won't be capable of making the right moves (trading arms for bats for example) to actually mold a winner.

He was on 810 this morning, and when providing a scouting report on Mazzaro, led off with, "Scout X had Mazzaro touching 97 with his fastball last season". Bullshit. Either he's trying to make fans feel better about the trade, or he's projecting what he hopes Mazzaro can be, not what he is. The latter is very dangerous, and I think it's happened before with other players we've acquired (Yuni, Farnsworth, Ankiel, etc.).

Another point, DM spoke this morning about our OF depth, and mentioned that Myers was likely going to play some outfield this coming season; I think we can officially pencil him into RF in future lineups.

We pretty much thought Myers wasn't going to play catcher anyway

Sure, but it's the first time I've actually heard the words come out of DM's mouth, so I thought people would be interested to hear. He transitioned into talking about how happy they are with Perez's progress at catcher, so the path is pretty clear for both at this point.

We basically signed Ankiel to trade him. It is not like Moore thought he was a piece of the puzzle. Otherwise I somewhat agree I am nervous

I hear ya...

It is frustrating to hear dayton always talk of potential with every acquisition rather than what they are right now

I hear ya...

It is frustrating to hear dayton always talk of potential with every acquisition rather than what they are right now

Exactly. The management of the ML roster has been as impressively bad as the stockpiling of talent in the farm system has been impressively good.

We have to hope that the latter can effectively cover up the former, because there have been plenty of microcosms (Kendall, Betancourt, Francoeur????) that suggest that DM just doesn't get it.

Blue Jays interested in Greinke and Gordon:

http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2010/11/...x_gordon_t.php

2 top prospects for Greinke isn't enough.

We're going to be hearing about phone calls and rumors all winter, but I very much doubt a trade will happen because of the king's ransom we are demanding and Greinke's refusal to play on the east coast.

Could be true. The folks on the radio (810) have been saying that NOT trading Greinke makes no sense now that DDJ has been moved.

Obviously, I don't necessarily agree with this "logic."

Nervous? Nothing could get worse, I don't know anything worse, I can't possibly imagine it getting worse, unless we are talking the 2004 royals. No talent anywhere exept for future savior Alex Gordon.

Unless the org is sure he's going to bolt, not sure this logic makes sense. Greinke is still relatively young, just moving into his prime. He could certainly be a part of the next good team in 2 or 3 years, and that team should be cheap considering all the youngsters they'll have on the squad. Paying an ace top money should be reasonable with that in mind.

Don't shoot the messenger here but I just got an email from a guy who is a hardcore hot stove guy & he said the Blue Jays are willing to part with...

Shaun Marcum
Kyle Drabek
Travis Snyder

for

Greinke


Is this a doable trade for the Royals?

The Jays' best prospect + a young RF w/ major league experience + a legit, established #2 starter? It's a good haul... but not nearly good enough.

Grienke should get us more that that....

Grienke should get us more that that....

Found this about Toronto's prospects:

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/mlb/...0510drabek.jpg
There's no better example of the instant impact Alex Anthopoulos has had on the Blue Jays than their No. 3 prospect as rated by Baseball America .

Outfielder Anthony Gose is third in the Toronto system, according to the magazine's annual rankings, but he's a relative newcomer. The Phillies acquired Gose from the Phillies in the three-team deal that sent Roy Oswalt to Philadelphia and Brett Wallace to Houston. To get Wallace, the Blue Jays sent Michael Taylor to the A's. Taylor was one of the three prospects Toronto got from Philadelphia in exchange for Roy Halladay, along with Kyle Drabek (pictured) and Travis D'Arnaud.

Drabek, by the way, is the team's top prospect, according to the list, and D'Arnaud is fourth. Four of the team's top five prospects came in trades. In addition to Drabek, Gose and D'Arnaud, right-hander Zach Stewart came over from the Reds in the trade for Scott Rolen (that was before Anthopoulos came aboard).

Here's the Top 10:
1. Kyle Drabek, rhp
2. Deck McGuire, rhp
3. Anthony Gose, of
4. Travis D'Arnaud, c
5. Zach Stewart, rhp
6. Asher Wojciechowski, rhp
7. J.P. Arencibia, c
8. Carlos Perez, c
9. Aaron Sanchez, rhp
10. Jake Marisnick, of

Don't like that Drabek is coming off of Tommy John's.

For Greinke, I think any club is going to have to part with 2 of their top-3 prospects plus young, ML-ready talent.

And these prospects need to have big upside, not simply be top prospects from an otherwise shit system, thus inflating their value.

Don't like that Drabek is coming off of Tommy John's.

For Greinke, I think any club is going to have to part with 2 of their top-3 prospects plus young, ML-ready talent.

And these prospects need to have big upside, not simply be top prospects from an otherwise shit system, thus inflating their value.

Here's a trade I could live with....
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/1...the-expos.html

Bartolo Colon and Tim Drew from the Indians for Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips and Lee Stevens.

The Canadian Press wrote that Minaya made a "stunning acquisition," and some of Colon's teammates agreed. C.C. Sabathia told the AP the move was a "big blow," a "shock."

Combine a bold GM, a franchise in peril and a division title within reach and you'll see some surprising moves.

The Expos were in the playoff race after acquiring Colon on June 27th, 2002. They trailed the Braves by 6.5 games and found themselves 5.0 games behind the Wild Card-leading Diamondbacks. At the time of the trade, many writers pointed to the Expos' rotation depth; Colon joined Javier Vazquez, Tomo Ohka and Tony Armas Jr. to form one of the Senior Circuit's deepest rotations.

Colon played well for the Expos. He pitched 117 innings of 3.31 ERA ball, allowing less than a hit per frame and striking out two men for every one he walked. The Expos won 83 games - more than they'd won since 1996 - but it wasn't enough to topple the Braves, who won 101 times.

The Indians weren't in a position to make a playoff run so, like this year and last, they dealt their ace away. But not even GM Mark Shapiro can hope his recent deadline deals turn out as well as the one he made in 2002.

Shapiro told the AP at the time that the Indians were "clearly moving to a total rebuilding process." So how did he plan to rebuild the franchise? Start with an athletic center fielder and a left-handed ace.

Sizemore, who was 19 at the time of the trade, has combined power, speed, plate discipline and defense to become one of the league's elite players. Lee followed up his 2008 Cy Young campaign with a strong start that allowed Shapiro to obtain four Phillies prospects for him in a midseason trade.

Lee Stevens was a non factor and the Indians sent Phillips to the Reds for Jeff Stevens in a 2006 trade. Shapiro sold low on a second baseman who plays strong defense and has a 30-30 season to his name. But they acquired talent to spare for Colon, who was under team control for a year and a half after the trade.


The Expos traded Colon to the White Sox after the season. In return, they obtained Rocky Biddle, Orlando Hernandez, Jeff Liefer and cash. Minaya's gamble turned the Expos' top minor leaguers into a trio of considerably less valuable players. A playoff appearance would not necessarily have prevented the Expos from moving to D.C. after 2004, but the Bartolo Colon trade was anything but the solution to the organization's problems.

Here's a trade I could live with....
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/1...the-expos.html

Bartolo Colon and Tim Drew from the Indians for Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips and Lee Stevens.

The Canadian Press wrote that Minaya made a "stunning acquisition," and some of Colon's teammates agreed. C.C. Sabathia told the AP the move was a "big blow," a "shock."

Combine a bold GM, a franchise in peril and a division title within reach and you'll see some surprising moves.

The Expos were in the playoff race after acquiring Colon on June 27th, 2002. They trailed the Braves by 6.5 games and found themselves 5.0 games behind the Wild Card-leading Diamondbacks. At the time of the trade, many writers pointed to the Expos' rotation depth; Colon joined Javier Vazquez, Tomo Ohka and Tony Armas Jr. to form one of the Senior Circuit's deepest rotations.

Colon played well for the Expos. He pitched 117 innings of 3.31 ERA ball, allowing less than a hit per frame and striking out two men for every one he walked. The Expos won 83 games - more than they'd won since 1996 - but it wasn't enough to topple the Braves, who won 101 times.

The Indians weren't in a position to make a playoff run so, like this year and last, they dealt their ace away. But not even GM Mark Shapiro can hope his recent deadline deals turn out as well as the one he made in 2002.

Shapiro told the AP at the time that the Indians were "clearly moving to a total rebuilding process." So how did he plan to rebuild the franchise? Start with an athletic center fielder and a left-handed ace.

Sizemore, who was 19 at the time of the trade, has combined power, speed, plate discipline and defense to become one of the league's elite players. Lee followed up his 2008 Cy Young campaign with a strong start that allowed Shapiro to obtain four Phillies prospects for him in a midseason trade.

Lee Stevens was a non factor and the Indians sent Phillips to the Reds for Jeff Stevens in a 2006 trade. Shapiro sold low on a second baseman who plays strong defense and has a 30-30 season to his name. But they acquired talent to spare for Colon, who was under team control for a year and a half after the trade.


The Expos traded Colon to the White Sox after the season. In return, they obtained Rocky Biddle, Orlando Hernandez, Jeff Liefer and cash. Minaya's gamble turned the Expos' top minor leaguers into a trio of considerably less valuable players. A playoff appearance would not necessarily have prevented the Expos from moving to D.C. after 2004, but the Bartolo Colon trade was anything but the solution to the organization's problems.

Report: FLA talking Maybin trade w/ SD, KC


Maybin
MLB.com's Joe Frisaro reports that the Marlins are talking with the Padres and Royals about a trade involving Cameron Maybin.
Apparently the Marlins are willing to get rid of both of the main pieces of the Miguel Cabrera deal, as Andrew Miller was dealt to the Red Sox Friday. Maybin has yet to make an impact at the big league level, but the former top prospect still has time at 23 years of age. Obviously it depends on what they'd have to give up, but getting a high-upside player like Maybin at a position you really need could potentially pay big dividends for either the Padres or Royals. Nov. 13 - 1:01 pm et
Source: Joe Frisaro on Twitter

Report: FLA talking Maybin trade w/ SD, KC


Maybin
MLB.com's Joe Frisaro reports that the Marlins are talking with the Padres and Royals about a trade involving Cameron Maybin.
Apparently the Marlins are willing to get rid of both of the main pieces of the Miguel Cabrera deal, as Andrew Miller was dealt to the Red Sox Friday. Maybin has yet to make an impact at the big league level, but the former top prospect still has time at 23 years of age. Obviously it depends on what they'd have to give up, but getting a high-upside player like Maybin at a position you really need could potentially pay big dividends for either the Padres or Royals. Nov. 13 - 1:01 pm et
Source: Joe Frisaro on Twitter

Per Rotoworld:

A source told Yahoo's Jeff Passan that Cameron Maybin "will be traded."
Passan's source says a deal with the Padres is close, though the Marlins have also been talking to the Royals about Maybin, and it appears the door might not be closed between those two teams. Alex Gordon's name is being mentioned in the discussions with Kansas City, but it's not clear who the Padres would be giving up. Stay tuned.

Intriguing

What's going on with Maybin? Why the decision to move him?

What do you guys think of Maybin for Gordon?? I say do it...

Maybin going to SD....

Dayton couldnt give up 2 relievers for Maybin??? wtf..................that is what SD gave up

The Marlins will receive relievers Ryan Webb and Edward Mujica in exchange for the center fielder, Krasovic tweets. (per mlbtraderumors)


I am very very frustrated at Dayton for not topping this deal.....what the ****

Maybin's all sizzle, no steak.

Kid has all the tools in the world, but he's never had an approach at the plate. He goes up there and swings hard a few times and hopes he hits it. He doesn't have a consistent swing path and doesn't know how to use his speed.

That said, he's a major leage defender even if he never improves a bit.

I'm surprised KC didn't try to top that deal, but at this point I think Maybin's more name than production.

Sigh....that is f'n pathetic that we were interested in Maybin and were not able to top that weak deal.

no, you mean not willing to top that deal. We obviously were able. DM's opinion of Maybin's value was apparently considerably less than San Diego's opinion.

The same man who signed Kendall for 2 for $6M...and thus the heavy dose of skepticism.