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rabblerouser 01-23-2020 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14747119)
The Packers linebackers and safeties suck. If they don't get you with the pass rush you can throw whatever you want against them.

They also give up enormous amounts of long passes.

Agreed. And they suck at stopping the run.

Beef Supreme 01-23-2020 10:44 AM

Yeah, good luck with your ban.

Sofa King 01-23-2020 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14747117)
I’d say it’s about time to close off registrations for a couple weeks...

Great idea. An amazing idea. Let's do this.

rabblerouser 01-23-2020 10:45 AM

Did someone fart in here?

Thought I smelled something...

All22 01-23-2020 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 14747115)
beleive me the "stat" is a bunch of bullshit...they were talking about the collective winning percentage as the measure of 'the toughest schedule of all time'



I had to hear that shit on local talk radio daily... It really and truly was a meaningless stat and took literally nothing into account other than winning %. (no factoring in of strength of schedule, current situation with regards to injury etc...) and they try to extrapolate it to ALL TIME...... Sorry...I call bullshit.

Our bye week was week 4 and we had more injuries than any of the team's we faced. Played the AFC #1 seed on the road, and the NFC #2,3,5 and the Rams.. mostly on the road.

Feel free to provide some metric or evidence for why that wasn't the hardest stretch

Ming the Merciless 01-23-2020 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14747121)
I want to know what mod thought it was a good idea to approve "BangBangOnTy'sGF"??

WTF, mod team!?


I can see both sides. CP prides itself on being free and open and tough. We don't neeed mods to baby sit IMO. We got this.



It is annoying and if one particular guy spams too much, then sure....banhammer but all in all I prefer freedom and don;t need mods to protect my feelings.


I personally thank the mods and think theyre doing a hell of a job and riding a good line. Keep it up boys.

Ming the Merciless 01-23-2020 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 14747132)
Great idea. An amazing idea. Let's do this.


I respectfully disgaree. I think its a terrible idea....just enforce the rules we have..athat is all that is needed. We are supposed to be a tough message board and thick skin...lets prove that.

DaFace 01-23-2020 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14747121)
I want to know what mod thought it was a good idea to approve "BangBangOnTy'sGF"??

WTF, mod team!?

We don't "approve" people, dipshit.

All22 01-23-2020 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14747125)
Agreed. And they suck at stopping the run.

Yeah, the same runs that would go for 5 yards against MN might go to the house against GB. Shanny even impled that in the press conference after the MN game. MN's safeties and linebackers are too notch though.

rabblerouser 01-23-2020 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14747136)
Our bye week was week 4 and we had more injuries than any of the team's we faced. Played the AFC #1 seed on the road, and the NFC #2,3,5 and the Rams.. mostly on the road.

Feel free to provide some metric or evidence for why that wasn't the hardest stretch

Having a bye on week 4 is tough, but your schedule is your schedule. We had a pretty tough go of it ourselves with injuries and strength of schedule.

We played :

Minnesota
Green Bay
Baltimore
Houstonx2
Tennesseex2
New England

Of course, we got lucky that our bye was so late in the season so that we got to heal up a bit. Can't underestimate that...

Halfcan 01-23-2020 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14747133)
Did someone fart in here?

Thought I smelled something...

And with a snap of the fingers from the Mighty Deface- the trolls turned to dust.

Nice work! :thumb:

Sassy Squatch 01-23-2020 10:52 AM

Fellas, you might as well get used to that type of talk, because it's going to be thrown in your face by every person trying to discredit the success of the Chiefs.

Sofa King 01-23-2020 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 14747143)
I respectfully disgaree. I think its a terrible idea....just enforce the rules we have..athat is all that is needed. We are supposed to be a tough message board and thick skin...lets prove that.

There's no way what has happened in this thread can be seen a a productive argument or discussion. Everyone knows how your posting style is so it makes sense that you like this kind of chaos though.

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14747144)
We don't "approve" people, dipshit.

OOOOOOOOOOOooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Gravedigger 01-23-2020 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14747073)
We definitely didn't have a "cushy" road to the Superbowl if you include what it took for us to secure the #1 seed. Our last 6+ games was the hardest stretch any team has ever faced so late in the season.

Minnesota's defense is pretty damn good too. The way their safety's and linebackers were playing was light-years better than anything else we saw all year long. Their flaw was selling out against the pass and never waviering from it. Once Kyle realized it, he just ran the ball over and over.

Talking about the playoffs, notice how I only mentioned what the teams did in the playoffs? Not the 6+ games stretch you refer to?

The Minnesota defense was great, but when their offense led by Kirk Cousins can't muster up more than 10 points, it makes it hard to win that game no matter how disruptive your defense is. Looking at the stats, the Minnesota defense was just outside the top 10 for the season for defense in total yards, rushing and passing, the only category where I'd consider them one of the best is points allowed where they were top 5.

Do you know how many playoff teams Minnesota faced this year? 4 of them, Packers x2, Eagles at home, Chiefs on the road, and Seahawks on the road. Their record was 1-4 with giving up point values of 21, 20, 26, 37, and 23. They're good, but not as great as you're making them out to be.

rabblerouser 01-23-2020 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14747144)
We don't "approve" people, dipshit.

Then what's the point of banning or rompering someone if they can just make a new account? Do you even check IPs? You can't tell me that you just allow anyone to sign up and start posting? If so, then I'm not the dipshit, dipshit.

Halfcan 01-23-2020 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14747153)
Having a bye on week 4 is tough, but your schedule is your schedule. We had a pretty tough go of it ourselves with injuries and strength of schedule.

We played :

Minnesota
Green Bay
Baltimore
Houstonx2
Tennesseex2
New England

Of course, we got lucky that our bye was so late in the season so that we got to heal up a bit. Can't underestimate that...

Not to mention the weather and field conditions this team had to overcome.

Ming the Merciless 01-23-2020 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14747136)
Our bye week was week 4 and we had more injuries than any of the team's we faced. Played the AFC #1 seed on the road, and the NFC #2,3,5 and the Rams.. mostly on the road.

Feel free to provide some metric or evidence for why that wasn't the hardest stretch


https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof



Your and idiot. You can't prove a negative. I can't logically prove that the niners didnt have the toughest 6 game stretch of all time, because thats not how basic logic works. If you weren't a ****ing moron you would know that because they literally teach that in high school. So I suppose youre a drop out.


https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance


It is an argument from IGNORANCE , with your claim being that as long as no one can disprove it, your argument must be true. You can't disprove my penis is 10 inches long and I can bench 350 so that must be true also? Right genious?


Its simply ridiculous to cherry pick some stats and claim that the 6 games the niners played were the toughest 6 in a row of all time....the burden of proof would be on YOU to prove the claim....and so far youve got a bunch of baloney for evidence...

Sassy Squatch 01-23-2020 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 14747158)
There's no way what has happened in this thread can be seen a a productive argument or discussion. Everyone knows how your posting style is so it makes sense that you like this kind of chaos though.



OOOOOOOOOOOooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

It's been that way for weeks now. A couple of pages of legitimate discussion then some tard starts up another flame war.

rabblerouser 01-23-2020 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 14747159)
Talking about the playoffs, notice how I only mentioned what the teams did in the playoffs? Not the 6+ games stretch you refer to?

The Minnesota defense was great, but when their offense led by Kirk Cousins can't muster up more than 10 points, it makes it hard to win that game no matter how disruptive your defense is. Looking at the stats, the Minnesota defense was just outside the top 10 for the season for defense in total yards, rushing and passing, the only category where I'd consider them one of the best is points allowed where they were top 5.

Do you know how many playoff teams Minnesota faced this year? 4 of them, Packers x2, Eagles at home, Chiefs on the road, and Seahawks on the road. Their record was 1-4 with giving up point values of 21, 20, 26, 37, and 23. They're good, but not as great as you're making them out to be.

Minnesota will never be great with Kirk Cousins under center. He's like a poor man's Alex Smith, albeit an overpaid one.

FlaChief58 01-23-2020 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14747133)
Did someone fart in here?

Thought I smelled something...

It's the 9er fans breath ATM is a big deal in Cali

rabblerouser 01-23-2020 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14747161)
Not to mention the weather and field conditions this team had to overcome.

Especially that Mexico City field.

WOOF.

rabblerouser 01-23-2020 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 14747174)
It's the 9er fans breath ATM is a big deal in Cali

ROFL
Bass-to-trout

Ming the Merciless 01-23-2020 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14747160)
Then what's the point of banning or rompering someone if they can just make a new account? Do you even check IPs? You can't tell me that you just allow anyone to sign up and start posting? If so, then I'm not the dipshit, dipshit.


yes, you are a total and complete dipshit


just ****ing stop


youre a pussy too if you can't handle a couple of trolls WTF are you even doing here?



You acting like this is just proof that you are a pussy and dipshit...which I already knew

Halfcan 01-23-2020 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14747156)
Fellas, you might as well get used to that type of talk, because it's going to be thrown in your face by every person trying to discredit the success of the Chiefs.

When these 49er trolls are banned to the Romper room- they should have to have Brooke Pryor's face as their avatar. A living image of their true self.

Back in the old days they would tar and shackle trolls, then hang them by the yardarms as a warning to all coming into the bay.

We can use Brooke's face now, which is a worse punishment than a slow agonizing death.

DaFace 01-23-2020 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14747160)
Then what's the point of banning or rompering someone if they can just make a new account? Do you even check IPs? You can't tell me that you just allow anyone to sign up and start posting? If so, then I'm not the dipshit, dipshit.

Yes, we just allow anyone to sign up and start posting. Dipshit.

rabblerouser 01-23-2020 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14747182)
Yes, we just allow anyone to sign up and start posting. Dipshit.

Apparently so. Dipshit.

Sassy Squatch 01-23-2020 11:03 AM

This is somehow both the most interesting and lamest flamewar I've ever seen on CP.

rabblerouser 01-23-2020 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 14747179)
yes, you are a total and complete dipshit


just ****ing stop


youre a pussy too if you can't handle a couple of trolls WTF are you even doing here?



You acting like this is just proof that you are a pussy and dipshit...which I already knew

Go **** yourself, 'mo. I was asked to not respond to the troll and make things worse. So I didn't. You don't know dick.

All22 01-23-2020 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 14747163)


Your and idiot. You can't prove a negative. I can't logically prove that the niners didnt have the toughest 6 game stretch of all time, because thats not how basic logic works. If you weren't a ****ing moron you would know that because they literally teach that in high school. So I suppose youre a drop out.



It is an argument from IGNORANCE , with your claim being that as long as no one can disprove it, your argument must be true. You can't disprove my penis is 10 inches long and I can bench 350 so that must be true also? Right genious?


Its simply ridiculous to cherry pick some stats and claim that the 6 games the niners played were the toughest 6 in a row of all time....the burden of proof would be on YOU to prove the claim....and so far youve got a bunch of baloney for evidence...

You don't understand the concepts you're trying to use. You can prove that stretch wasn't the hardest by providing one harder.

rabblerouser 01-23-2020 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14747192)
This is somehow both the most interesting and lamest flamewar I've ever seen on CP.

It got boring, quick.

I'm out.

A8bil 01-23-2020 11:05 AM

Interesting question
 
Here's an adaptation of a question run on a local SF sport station this morning for KC fans. Would you rather your offense have the ball on their own 25 yard line with 2 minutes left in the game and down by 6, or would you rather SF have your defense on the field with SF down by 6 on their 25 yard line with 2 minutes left?

Listener responses in SF overwhelming wanted the ball down 6. What say you?

Ming the Merciless 01-23-2020 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14747186)
Apparently so. Dipshit.


Jesus youre a spazztic window licking moron. These guys are literally the best at what they do. This isnt just the best Chiefs message board and news source, its the best NFL message board and youre sitting here second guessing shit because youre a panicking pussy. calm down, mary. These guys got this. WE GOT THIS. We can handle a couple trolls...as long as everyone follows the rules theres literally no need to do anything different than we normally do things...

rabblerouser 01-23-2020 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14747196)
You don't understand the concepts you're trying to use. You can prove that stretch wasn't the hardest by providing one harder.

All22, meet Pawnmower. A bigger fan of himself than anyone you'll ever meet.

All22 01-23-2020 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 14747159)
Talking about the playoffs, notice how I only mentioned what the teams did in the playoffs? Not the 6+ games stretch you refer to?

The Minnesota defense was great, but when their offense led by Kirk Cousins can't muster up more than 10 points, it makes it hard to win that game no matter how disruptive your defense is. Looking at the stats, the Minnesota defense was just outside the top 10 for the season for defense in total yards, rushing and passing, the only category where I'd consider them one of the best is points allowed where they were top 5.

Do you know how many playoff teams Minnesota faced this year? 4 of them, Packers x2, Eagles at home, Chiefs on the road, and Seahawks on the road. Their record was 1-4 with giving up point values of 21, 20, 26, 37, and 23. They're good, but not as great as you're making them out to be.

Well Points Allowed is really the only one that matters at the end of the day. But that said, I was talking about scheme and personnel. The Vikings are awesome at both and have been for years.

Ming the Merciless 01-23-2020 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14747196)
You don't understand the concepts you're trying to use. You can prove that stretch wasn't the hardest by providing one harder.


ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL


The burden of proof is not with me....its with the claimant (you). Ive already explained this to you and I am not surprised you do not get it. Honest question: did you finish high school?

DaFace 01-23-2020 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by A8bil (Post 14747201)
Here's an adaptation of a question run on a local SF sport station this morning for KC fans. Would you rather your offense have the ball on their own 25 yard line with 2 minutes left in the game and down by 6, or would you rather SF have your defense on the field with SF down by 6 on their 25 yard line with 2 minutes left?

Listener responses in SF overwhelming wanted the ball down 6. What say you?

I'd guess most people would want their team to have the ball just because that feels like you're more in control.

But the reality? You definitely want the lead. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand probabilities.

rabblerouser 01-23-2020 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 14747203)
Jesus youre a spazztic window licking moron. These guys are literally the best at what they do. This isnt just the best Chiefs message board and news source, its the best NFL message board and youre sitting here second guessing shit because youre a panicking pussy. calm down, mary. These guys got this. WE GOT THIS. We can handle a couple trolls...as long as everyone follows the rules theres literally no need to do anything different than we normally do things...

You're just a keyboard warrior. I guarantee you wouldn't call me names to my face like that. I asked a valid question as to what's the point of banning or rompering someone if they can just sign up with a new account? Simple.

TripleThreat 01-23-2020 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14747196)
You don't understand the concepts you're trying to use. You can prove that stretch wasn't the hardest by providing one harder.

Actually he does.

And you are right All22 you had one of the hardest stretches in NFL history, except what pawnmower is explaining to you, is you can’t just walk in a room and say “this is true, prove me wrong” and walk out and say how right you are if no one proves you wrong. The burden of proof is set on you, providing a link, showing statistical data etc.

Your way of conversation and proving a point is actually the exact opposite of how they teach people to approach a discussion.

Halfcan 01-23-2020 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14747196)
You don't understand the concepts you're trying to use. You can prove that stretch wasn't the hardest by providing one harder.

Did you guys play on a shitty Mexican field, then in a tornado, monsoon at Foxboro, snowstorm, then back to back sub-zero wind chill games? Then back to back freezing game in the playoffs?

The Chiefs are battle-tested in any and all weather conditions.

wachashi 01-23-2020 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by A8bil (Post 14747201)
Here's an adaptation of a question run on a local SF sport station this morning for KC fans. Would you rather your offense have the ball on their own 25 yard line with 2 minutes left in the game and down by 6, or would you rather SF have your defense on the field with SF down by 6 on their 25 yard line with 2 minutes left?

Listener responses in SF overwhelming wanted the ball down 6. What say you?

Telling. People are terrified of Mahomes. They should be terrified our defense too, bitch.

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan 01-23-2020 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14747210)
I'd guess most people would want their team to have the ball just because that feels like you're more in control.

But the reality? You definitely want the lead. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand probabilities.

Agreed. I’d rather have the lead because all it takes is one bobble, a dropped pass, an untimely penalty and the team coming from behind is screwed. Just too many ways things can go wrong.

DRM08 01-23-2020 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14747118)
I really think that Bears game was the most complete game we've played. We ground their ass to complete dogshit. It was when I went "Man, Andy Reid really is a very good head football coach!" I think I even posted "we keep playing like that, we can go to the Super Bowl!"

Really enjoyed the offensive approach in the Bears game. They have a pretty good defense and it was cool to see the Chiefs grinding a lot of clock with good scoring drives. They scored 26, but it felt like they could have scored 40 if they wanted.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-23-2020 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14747221)
Really enjoyed the offensive approach in the Bears game. They have a pretty good defense and it was cool to see the Chiefs grinding a lot of clock with good scoring drives. They scored 26, but it felt like they could have scored 40 if they wanted.

Mack was a beast in that one too. It wasn’t like Mahomes didn’t deal with any sort of pressure. Still made stuff work.

rabblerouser 01-23-2020 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14747221)
Really enjoyed the offensive approach in the Bears game. They have a pretty good defense and it was cool to see the Chiefs grinding a lot of clock with good scoring drives. They scored 26, but it felt like they could have scored 40 if they wanted.

Absolutely, 100%. They were in total and complete control.

A8bil 01-23-2020 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14747210)
I'd guess most people would want their team to have the ball just because that feels like you're more in control.

But the reality? You definitely want the lead. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand probabilities.

The gambler's take...I love it. But, what about Mahomes? Part of the reason the listeners didn't want the lead and their defense on the field was Mahomes, particularly if you changed the hypothetical to KC only down 2 -- they figured there was no way for SF's defense to prevent Mahomes from driving 50 yards.

rabblerouser 01-23-2020 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14747222)
Mack was a beast in that one too. It wasn’t like Mahomes didn’t deal with any sort of pressure. Still made stuff work.

Fat fingered the thumbs down. Should've been thumbs up. My bad, dawg.

All22 01-23-2020 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TripleThreat (Post 14747215)
Actually he does.

And you are right All22 you had one of the hardest stretches in NFL history, except what pawnmower is explaining to you, is you can’t just walk in a room and say “this is true, prove me wrong” and walk out and say how right you are if no one proves you wrong. The burden of proof is set on you, providing a link, showing statistical data etc.

Your way of conversation and proving a point is actually the exact opposite of how they teach people to approach a discussion.

No, he claimed I used an argument that was impossible to disprove. I did not.

As far as burden of proof, well, I'm new here so I can't use links in posts. I provided headlines and the information is otherwise widely reported and available.

His claim was that the widely reported information is wrong. Therefore the burden of proof is with him.

Ming the Merciless 01-23-2020 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14747204)
All22, meet Pawnmower. A bigger fan of himself than anyone you'll ever meet.


not surprised in the least you take the side of ALexians and niner's fans


huge pansy

Halfcan 01-23-2020 11:15 AM

49ers fans had to put on a windbreaker their last home playoff game-Nobody has ever had it that bad before!!!!

All22 01-23-2020 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by A8bil (Post 14747225)
The gambler's take...I love it. But, what about Mahomes? Part of the reason the listeners didn't want the lead and their defense on the field was Mahomes, particularly if you changed the hypothetical to KC only down 2 -- they figured there was no way for SF's defense to prevent Mahomes from driving 50 yards.

But I never enjoy leaving the game in the hands of a kicker.

A8bil 01-23-2020 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 14747217)
Telling. People are terrified of Mahomes. They should be terrified our defense too, bitch.

Perhaps they don't know your defense that well? They discussed Clark at length in the same show and noted that statistically KC is better than SF's defense in some ways. Still, it was the concern of Mahomes with the ball and a tired SF defense that were the prime factors.

FringeNC 01-23-2020 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 14747110)
Man, this is awesome stuff. I will say, the Chargers seemed to have some moderate success against us on defense this year. They forced us to dink and dunk down the field, and that's really not when our offense is at its best. The Chiefs can certainly do it though - we dominated the Bears with methodical drives like that when they basically sold out to prevent the deep ball.

Mahomes has seen this defensive scheme 4 times just with the Chargers in the past two years. I think he and Reid are going to shred it with 2 weeks to prepare.

The Chargers have stymied Mahomes a bit the last three times we've played them.

DRM08 01-23-2020 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14747222)
Mack was a beast in that one too. It wasn’t like Mahomes didn’t deal with any sort of pressure. Still made stuff work.

Yeah, I felt like KC did a great job in that game. Might see a somewhat similar approach against the Niners.

DaFace 01-23-2020 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by A8bil (Post 14747225)
The gambler's take...I love it. But, what about Mahomes? Part of the reason the listeners didn't want the lead and their defense on the field was Mahomes, particularly if you changed the hypothetical to KC only down 2 -- they figured there was no way for SF's defense to prevent Mahomes from driving 50 yards.

It's probably shifted for Mahomes, but PFR's win probability calculator says that the team down by 6 is only a 17% chance to win in that situation. I'll take the lead all day long.

A8bil 01-23-2020 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14747230)
49ers fans had to put on a windbreaker their last home playoff game-Nobody has ever had it that bad before!!!!

LOL...I had my beanie in my pocket just in case.

Sassy Squatch 01-23-2020 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 14747237)
The Chargers have stymied Mahomes a bit the last three times we've played them.

Derwin James is a ****ing freak. He's the reason.

rabblerouser 01-23-2020 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 14747229)
not surprised in the least you take the side of ALexians and niner's fans


huge pansy

You've never been friendly. Why would I ever take your side? Ever?? Your whole "keyboard warrior" schtick runs thin. You post like you're tough, but you're not. It's kind of pathetic, really.

If you had thicker skin, you wouldn't care that I "take the side ALexian's and niners fans" (I don't)...but you're just being a little bitch. Figured you could "handle it." And I can say that to you, whether on a keyboard or in person, because I can back it up, Mother****er. In real life, I'm anything but a huge pansy. It's well documented. So talk all the shit you want. I know what you are. Just a keyboard warrior. You feel tough typing that shit out? Does it give you a stiffy? Does it make you feel better about yourself?

Sounds like you're the one with an issue. I have no interest in going back and forth with you, at all. It's tiring. So, if I annoy you that much, just put me on ignore. It's simple. This isn't the thread for this. If you hate me that much, then just put me on ignore. No great shakes, not like I care much about what you post anyway. Then we'll both be happy.

If not, then leave me the **** alone. I'm sick of you.

Ming the Merciless 01-23-2020 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14747227)
No, he claimed I used an argument that was impossible to disprove. I did not.

As far as burden of proof, well, I'm new here so I can't use links in posts. I provided headlines and the information is otherwise widely reported and available.


Thats not exactly my claim. I claimed that 1) its not my burden to prove your statement is invalid, or else it suddenly is valid... and 2) I cant logically prove a negative (you asked me to prove it WASNT true) very easily....



Your evidence is based on winning %. If you go back and read my post youll see that I do not believe that winning % of the niner's opponents in a 6 game 2020 is an accurate enough measure of "toughness" to make the claim that it was the "toughest" 6 game stretch of all time. The most you can say is that you played a 6 game stretch against teams with the highest win %.


Im sorry youre not smart enough to understand or read my actual argument. But in my mind "toughness" doesnt necessarily correspond 1:1 to win %. There are some years where even 3 really good teams have been in the same division and hurt each other's winning %. There are years with a crappy division where a teams winning % is inflated.... If your ONLY measure is win % , I don't personally find that ENOUGH evidence of "the toughest 6 game streak' of all time.that is a bold clai.....because theres so many other factors involved.

rabblerouser 01-23-2020 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14747230)
49ers fans had to put on a windbreaker their last home playoff game-Nobody has ever had it that bad before!!!!

ROFL

RaidersOftheCellar 01-23-2020 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14746736)
I wouldn't call the Chief's D mediocre, it's good, well above average but I wouldn't put it above the Vikings or Saints. But yes, it's more likely we blow them out than they blow us out.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">According to B/R’s <a href="https://twitter.com/mikefreemanNFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MikeFreemanNFL</a>, several assistant coaches and executives around the NFL expect Kansas City to win big against San Francisco. <br><br>Freeman is “stunned” by how confident they are ♨️ <a href="https://t.co/ERaVXOft7K">pic.twitter.com/ERaVXOft7K</a></p>&mdash; B/R Gridiron (@brgridiron) <a href="https://twitter.com/brgridiron/status/1220073652152098816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Ming the Merciless 01-23-2020 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14747249)
If you had thicker skin, you wouldn't care that I "take the side ALexian's and niners fans" (I don't)...


You do. You didn't look at what I was saying. You don;t like me so you took an ALexian/ SF guys side just to spite me ..and ignored what I was actually saying in my post.


I give lots of positive and negative feedback to people. If youve been the recipient of mostly negative feedback, its because you say a lot of stupid shit in my eyes...I literally neg and pos people constantly and most people i have both neg and pos given to them. I'd bet I have given you at least ONE positive over the years....maybe?


Clearly you cant separate your butthurt from facts and logic so you jump in the arms of an alexsexual when convienient to spite someone you don;t like, even though you aren;t smart enough to actually read what is written or understand the argument.


Thats why youre a moron. Say something intelligent and you'll find that I make a friendly comment or positve rep. Talking shit about the great job the mods are doing and high fiving dipshit niners trolls is NOT the kind of posts I am going to be friendly to.

DaFace 01-23-2020 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 14747267)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">According to B/R’s <a href="https://twitter.com/mikefreemanNFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MikeFreemanNFL</a>, several assistant coaches and executives around the NFL expect Kansas City to win big against San Francisco. <br><br>Freeman is “stunned” by how confident they are ♨️ <a href="https://t.co/ERaVXOft7K">pic.twitter.com/ERaVXOft7K</a></p>&mdash; B/R Gridiron (@brgridiron) <a href="https://twitter.com/brgridiron/status/1220073652152098816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2020</a></blockquote>
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It doesn't really surprise me. The issue with the 9ers is that their path to victory is pretty narrow. In looking over Mahomes's career, 23 points is pretty much the floor of what he's gonna score (outside of a fluky Colts game when he was banged up), and he's never lost by more than 8 points.

It's really just a matter of whether the 9ers offense can keep up. If their run game continues to be super effective, they've got a shot, but if our defense shuts that down (as they have for about 6 games in a row now), it could get ugly fast.

To put it another way, if the 9ers win, it's gonna be a dogfight. The Chiefs have the potential to turn it into a rout.

Sassy Squatch 01-23-2020 11:36 AM

Man, I wish I shared that confidence with those folks.

staylor26 01-23-2020 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14747243)
Derwin James is a ****ing freak. He's the reason.

And they have 2 really good corners.

They are a more balanced D than the 49ers, even if they aren’t as good.

All22 01-23-2020 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 14747251)
Thats not exactly my claim. I claimed that 1) its not my burden to prove your statement is invalid, or else it suddenly is valid... and 2) I cant logically prove a negative (you asked me to prove it WASNT true) very easily....



Your evidence is based on winning %. If you go back and read my post youll see that I do not believe that winning % of the niner's opponents in a 6 game 2020 is an accurate enough measure of "toughness" to make the claim that it was the "toughest" 6 game stretch of all time. The most you can say is that you played a 6 game stretch against teams with the highest win %.


Im sorry youre not smart enough to understand or read my actual argument. But in my mind "toughness" doesnt necessarily correspond 1:1 to win %. There are some years where even 3 really good teams have been in the same division and hurt each other's winning %. There are years with a crappy division where a teams winning % is inflated.... If your ONLY measure is win % , I don't personally find that ENOUGH evidence of "the toughest 6 game streak' of all time.that is a bold clai.....because theres so many other factors involved.


You're still mis-using the fallacies. Proving a negative would be to prove a harder stretch doesn't exist. It is absolutely possible to prove that one does does exist.

Regarding inflated winning percentages and such... We're in the best division in football. Our division was one FG away from having 3 teams in the playoffs and has repped the NFC in the Superbowl 4 of the last 7 years

TripleThreat 01-23-2020 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14747227)
No, he claimed I used an argument that was impossible to disprove. I did not.

As far as burden of proof, well, I'm new here so I can't use links in posts. I provided headlines and the information is otherwise widely reported and available.

His claim was that the widely reported information is wrong. Therefore the burden of proof is with him.

The burden of proof still isn’t with him. You make a claim it’s true, he turns around and says it’s not. Your back to square 1. How entitled do you think you are? I truly hope you don’t act this way in real life. The burden of proof is always on the person presenting the fact. I’f your only evidence is, well it’s true, the information is readily available by google, anyone can say, well it’s not, the information is readily available via google. It’s not until you provide facts and data that the burden of proving you wrong falls on someone else. . .

Ming the Merciless 01-23-2020 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TripleThreat (Post 14747215)
Actually he does.

And you are right All22 you had one of the hardest stretches in NFL history, except what pawnmower is explaining to you, is you can’t just walk in a room and say “this is true, prove me wrong” and walk out and say how right you are if no one proves you wrong. The burden of proof is set on you, providing a link, showing statistical data etc.

Your way of conversation and proving a point is actually the exact opposite of how they teach people to approach a discussion.


Furthermore, I am saying that winning % is perhaps not the best way to "prove" that that particular stretch was the "toughest"... So I guess I am disputing the entire premise that winning % is ALWAYS the best indicator of a "tough" team...My point is a team with a higher win % at a certain point in the season doesnt always mean they are the toughest or best team...depending on opponents, home/away, injury, flukey plays or luck...etc....



If you're going to make the really bold claim that that particular stretch of 6 games was the TOUGHEST not only of this year but of all time, I think it might be a good idea to have more than win % as your ammo -- otherwise just stick to the facts of that stretch was against teams who had the highest win %....

Skyy God 01-23-2020 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by A8bil (Post 14747201)
Here's an adaptation of a question run on a local SF sport station this morning for KC fans. Would you rather your offense have the ball on their own 25 yard line with 2 minutes left in the game and down by 6, or would you rather SF have your defense on the field with SF down by 6 on their 25 yard line with 2 minutes left?

Listener responses in SF overwhelming wanted the ball down 6. What say you?

Invalid hypothetical, as we’ll be up by 10+ points with 2:00 left.

staylor26 01-23-2020 11:42 AM

I know one thing, Spags vs. Shanny Jr. is a much better matchup for us than Saleh vs. Reid is for them.

Ming the Merciless 01-23-2020 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14747292)
Regarding inflated winning percentages and such... We're in the best division in football. Our division was one FG away from having 3 teams in the playoffs and has repped the NFC in the Superbowl 4 of the last 7 years


Ok thats fine but then its your burden to come up with other metrics and study all of the 6 game stretches in the entire history of the NFL and prove to me that that 6 games the niners played was indeed the hardest / tough 6 games of all time. Its not my burden to do all of that work, because it isn't my ridiculous claim. You'd have to study the different eras of football and the times when there was only 3 divisions and the eras when strength of schedule actually mattered in scheduling etc...and the pre-salary cap eras when there were stacked teams with infinite budgests and easy teams....etc...


I am saying JUST looking at win % for a 6 game stretch this year for SF is not sufficient to prove your claim that this 6 games is hands down the hardest 6 in a row for ANY TEAM for ALL TIME.... and for me to disprove it is essentially not practical / possible. If you'd like to ACTUALLY prove your claim by doing all of that work and providing some other metrics and comparison of the eras...feel free. As I have explained it isn't my burden nor is it really possible (for me or most people).


Until then, in my eyes your argument that that 6 game stretch was the "toughest of all time" is not proven.

RunKC 01-23-2020 11:46 AM

Chargers are a more talented defense than SF. Bosa, Ingram and Tillery is a damn good pass rusher and King, Heyward and James is a top 5 secondary.

We still scored 24 on them before the end of the 3rd quarter.

Mahomes will destroy them

Halfcan 01-23-2020 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14747304)
I know one thing, Spags vs. Shanny Jr. is a much better matchup for us than Saleh vs. Reid is for them.

Andy probably had his Super Bowl game plan ready for years and it has been encased in a fire alarm box. In Case of Super Bowl, Break Glass!

The glass has been broken now.

I expect to see a game plan for the ages.

DRM08 01-23-2020 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14747289)
Man, I wish I shared that confidence with those folks.

Of course the flip side is we have cocky Niner fans who think it’s a repeat of Marino getting blown out by Montana and Manning getting blown out by Seattle. Never mind that KC has better weapons and Marino/Manning were not a threat to scramble.

DaFace 01-23-2020 11:50 AM

Can't we all just agree that DVOA is far superior to any subjective observations? :)

Megatron96 01-23-2020 11:50 AM

So apparently some of the trolls got banned/rompered?

Ming the Merciless 01-23-2020 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14747241)
It's probably shifted for Mahomes, but PFR's win probability calculator says that the team down by 6 is only a 17% chance to win in that situation. I'll take the lead all day long.


Especially with their #1 plan being to slow the game down and run Mostert..


Agree....I think a lead is essential ..the earlier the better....because it will change their plan of what they would like to do...Hopefully we can start hot but I have confidence in our adjustments. Weve been making great adjustments lately on both sides of the ball.

Megatron96 01-23-2020 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14747326)
Can't we all just agree that DVOA is far superior to any subjective observations? :)

I think it is, and it isn't.

But it is (DVOA) better probably at least 95% of the time.

Mecca 01-23-2020 11:56 AM

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Here is the companion video for the last where Mahomes mobility is discussed more in depth.

Hern 01-23-2020 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14747311)
Chargers are a more talented defense than SF. Bosa, Ingram and Tillery is a damn good pass rusher and King, Heyward and James is a top 5 secondary.

We still scored 24 on them before the end of the 3rd quarter.

Mahomes will destroy them

I’ll take our front 4 over SD. As far as their secondary, 100% agree, those names are stellar.

But as a unit, .9ers play better than SD loaded Secondary.

Hern 01-23-2020 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14747327)
So apparently some of the trolls got banned/rompered?


What’s rompered??


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