I love how Year 1 didn't happen. Already erased from the memory banks.


And yet, you guys all demanded KU "apologize" for (at minimum you discounted) 2007 where we missed the Big 3 schools in the division rotation just like you did last year. Funny how that works when the shoe is on the other foot.



Gary Pinkel went 1-7 vs OU and 1-5 vs Texas.

It happened. This year will be a nice indicator if it was an aberration, as many Mizzou fans think (based on the number of injuries).



Please point out to me the team Missouri lost to that it receive the Cotton Bowl bid OVER. Also please point out to me the conference championship game KU played in, where it faced one of those schools from the other division. [/quote]




Gary Pinkel went 1-7 vs OU and 1-5 vs Texas.[/QUOTE]

He sure did. Weird quirks of luck with the way the schedule against those teams always seemed to work out.

By the time Pinkel rebuilt the program (really about 2006, his second full recruiting cycle), he seemed to always play the one of the two that was up (05, Texas won the national title, 06 and 07 - Oklahoma was the better team and won the conference both years; 08 and 09 Texas was better).

Of course, he beat Oklahoma in 2010 when they were ranked No. 1 in the BCS and Texas in 2011.

Duncan ill agree Pinkel has a good program right now and he offers recruits stability, but I don't think anyone would honestly say they're any better than Kansas State the past decade. Or even the past 5 years really. KSU was also 11-1 recently. If I were a KSU fan I'd seriously be wondering where the sense of superiority exhibited by Mizzou towards them comes from. And they've done it without any $

I don't think DI's claiming superiority over KSU. Its my opinion that most of his posts are referring to KU. Of course, I've been wrong before.

But that last game was quite a statement by Snydz.

"Roll Snyd" as they say. ;)

Missouri dwarfs KU, KSU, ISU, Iowa. Couple other schools in there too.

IMO, he'll prove to be a great pickup for you guys.

I'm not referring to DI necessarily in that group of Mizzou mouth-breathers. I'm guessing you sense the superiority they feel towards KSU. Go browse their forums under "Kansas State" if you haven't noticed their opinions of y'all.

I wasn't talking about on-field performance. Was talking about money in the program. KSU has had a nice resurgence in Round 2 of Bill Snyder, though he has benefited a bit from Texas and Oklahoma falling off from where they were even 5 years ago.

Over the last decade, Kansas State is 68-54 (.557). Missouri is 85-45 (.654). That's a pretty sizeable gap, though Kansas State does have a conference title in there, Missouri has had 3 teams that could have won the same title if plopped into the Big 12 in 2012 (2007, 2010 and 2013).

Cut it to 5 years, and it gets pretty even. 42-21 for KSU and 43-22 for Missouri.

It's going to be interesting to see who does a better job replacing their coach. Both are going to retire in the next 5 years, in all likelihood. KSU failed disastrously in its attempt to replace Snyder and has been one of the worst major programs in America without him. Missouri has a mixed bag pre-Pinkel. There are a few very successful coaches, a few moderately successful, and a handful of disastrously ineffective coaches (Windehofer, Stull).

Both schools should be in better shape to hire the next coach, though, due to facility improvements, improved brand perception and more cash.

Over the past decade, Missouri has been more successful. Over the past 5 years, they've been very similar programs. That's what I would say when comparing Mizzou and Kansas State.

Which last game are you referring to? Just curious. You mean the 2011 game?

Notes from big 12 media days.

http://www.foxsports.com/southwest/s...-survey-072214

Sagarin preseason rankings came out today:

1) Bama
2) Oregon
3) Fl St
4) Stanford
5) Okie St
6) ou
7) LSU
8) S Carolina
9) Wisconsin
10) Ohio St
11) Texas A&M
12) Southern Cal
13) Mizzou
14) Ariz St
15) Baylor
16) Georgia
17) Clemson
18) K State
19) Mich State
20) ND
106) Chunky Cholly

SEC with 6 in top 20, 3 in top 10.
big 12 with 4, incl. 2 in top 10.
Pac 12 ..3 in top 20, 2 in top 10.
Big 10, 3 in top 20, 2 in top 10.

Sagarin heavily weights based on prior season until he gets more datapoints from 2014 to incorporate, usually by October something legit starts to form.

The Stoops smack-down of the SEC continues…

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...olation-remark

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...%20Stacked.png

4 in the top 20 with 2 in the top 10.

10 teams, 9 conference games, 1 True Champion.

love it

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtQ2SVvCYAE5w5e.jpg
Looks like my school is 2nd in the state now.

Nice. George O'Leary really has done quite a job down there.

But look out for Miami. Now that they got Jake Heaps comin in to run the show! ;)