You dont think teams scheme to try and stop Hali?

really?

you drunk or something, zilla?

Thats' why we drafted two more pass rushers...

I fully agree, and Romeo is a guy who likes to have strength in his secondary. That's a really good thing. But regardless of the scheme, you need to have guys who can put pressure on the QB, especially off the edges. Nothing is more dangerous than to be able to put tremendous pressure on the QB without blitzing a single player.

With the secondary we have, we should be getting a shit ton of picks. The problem is that while the QB gets sacked every once in a while, you don't see our pass rush forcing a bunch of stupid mistakes. It seems that what happens more often than not is a Peyton Manning game, where our coverage is so tremendous he gets frustrated because he can't find a single guy open. I love that, but rather than consistently give the QB that much time, why not pop him in the mouth for waiting that long too?

What the ****? Are you moving the goal posts now? We're talking about needing push the pocket up the middle and a guy to herd the QB back Hali's way and you bring up Dorsey? WTF?

If Hali played in either of those two players place, I would fully expect him to outperform them. Like I said, his production in sacks, hurries and pressures has been equal to or greater than any other player in the league over the past two seasons. His first year in a 3-4 he disrupted the backfield WAY more than any other single player in the NFL, the argument was though that he could not finish. So last year, he finished, and proved us all wrong. Now you tell me that if you replace Vrabel and Ron Edwards with players of the caliber that Ware and Harrison play with that Hali would still not be in their league? You are a ****ing ignoramus.

Sorry, buddy. If you watch the way offenses scheme against players like Freeney and Ware, Hali doesn't command nearly the same kind of attention. Of course offenses pay attention to him, but we're grossly exaggerating how much they do.

I've said all thread long he's very good. I'm saying it's homeristic to say he belongs in the same class as players like Ware and Harrison. We're basically saying Hali should be elite because he put up one 10+ sack season against a schedule that consistently featured some of the sorriest offensive lines in the NFL.

Nobody is arguing this. They are just arguing with how you would like to achieve it. I personally do not want Woodley. I like the approach the Chiefs have taken to building a team. I think Houston can be a Woodley type player as far as pressuring the QB is concerned. So does the rest of the goddamned pro football loving world, otherwise, he would have been a consensus 1st round talent. Now the only real question as far as I am concerned is whether or not we really believe Powe can be our NT. Obviously not this year, but in the future, and in the meantime, who's our guy?

The 5-technique playing in front of Hali is just a little bit important in giving Hali room to roam. You can't bring up supporting casts and act like Hali is completely crippled.

If you say so. Good luck trying to feed that argument to anybody who isn't a Chiefs homer.

You are right, teams don't have to gameplan for Hali the same way they need to gameplan the other guys. All they have to do for Hali is say, "Hey QB, roll out right or step up into your massive pocket when you feel pressure from Hali alright?!"

You are being ridiculous. That approach won't work for the other guys you've listed b/c the squash the pocket and crash the left side. Deet da dee.


No, we're saying he is elite b/c in two consecutive season with two different schedules, he has been the most productive pass rusher in football.

JMO, but watching the Pats play the Colts it almost seemed like a random mix.

1/2 the time they were all after Payed-a-Ton and 1/2 the time they'd drop back in zones hoping the crippled-rush might get him to make a mistake.

The Crennel Pats that is.

He doesn't (or didn't) have the talent here to do that so he doesn't have that range he had before. I still think that's the goal though...

B/c the numbers lie...:rolleyes:

C'mon, man. I love the Justin Houston pick, but can we cut it with the "first round talent" thing? Based on whose opinion? A bunch of draft junkees? There are plenty of teams who will pass on character for first round talent. There are more than plenty of teams who treat the combine as a one-time test. Teams care about character, but they're 32 teams aren't going to pass on first round talent twice unless there was something they felt was going to limit his game.

To your point on NTs. I still think the Chiefs should front-load on Aubrayo Franklin. When he tries, he's one of the best Nose Tackles in the game. He had a shortened season last year because of a holdout. And he wouldn't be any worse than what we have with the potential to be astronomically better.

Absolutely.

I truly believe that the Chiefs' #1 focus should be on making this defense not good enough, but elite. I hear people on this board go on and on about how we need to get Cassel some talent to make our offense good enough to not lose. I don't think people realize how close we are to possibly being a consistently scary defense.

Whatever. I'm going to bed.

It will be interesting to see how many people truly believe (when I wake up) that he is the best 3-4 pass rusher in the game, as you have claimed.

You're wrong.

Don't get too sappy with Franklin. He does almost nil for the pass rush. He has shown he can be the man to stop the run game though. The reason I'm okay with him being the guy is that I don't trust a rookie to shut down the run game. I have no problem with Powe going in on passing downs and trying to do what he was good at in college and pressure the QB. In the meantime he learn to read blocking schemes and develops his run stopping game. Then so long Franklin, or whoever the run stopping NT winds up being.

Chill out you defense junkie. We can't sign every top defender in FA just 'cause you want a 24/7 erection.

I think we have one that can, and will...