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Chiefs to sign Tyler Bray (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=272578)

Bray's mechanics are total shit

he changes his arm angles on every throw and he often does't use his legs to throw at all.

maybe his ego will take such a hit about not being drafted that he will actually take coaching now. :shrug:

Bray's a head case and has shit mechanics. He's also got one of the best arms on the planet.
If anybody can get him to get his shit together, it's Reid.

He's a wilder animal than Cutler...I think young Favre is his ceiling. Ryan Leaf is his floor. Of course, he didn't cost you anything, so it's totally worth a shot.

He's got more ability than any other QB in this draft.

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 9640368)

Yep, he has Jeff George/Jay Cutler physical ability:clap: he has Jeff George/Jay Cutler football intelligence:shake: and more than anything he has Jeff George/Jay Cutler lack of emotional maturity:shake:

Cutler never matured and was only an average to above average QB in Denver and was subsequently trade for two first round picks, basically still on his potential.

With a guy like Bray you don't need to turn him all the way into a finished product, but if he gets some playing time and shows improvement in his footwork, throwing motion, football smarts - all things that can be coached - he could bring a return.

We don't lose anything but Stanzi.

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-Plays with very slow and heavy feet, struggles to reset them when moving through options or after a pump fake
-Can’t create space for himself in the open field, very rarely picks up yardage with his feet
-Very slight of frame with a thin lower half

Velocity inconsistencies arise due to mechanical issues, will leave some short passes in the dirt, then laser one in 30 yards downfield
-Mechanics worsen the farther downfield he wants to throw, elongated wind-up gets longer and longer

Very poor decision maker under pressure, game speeds up too much for him
-Incredibly squeamish about hanging in late to deliver the ball, will not sacrifice himself to wait for receiver to break in his route
-Often feels pressure that’s not there and continually backs farther and farther away
-Allows his lead shoulder to fly open when trying to get rid of it quickly under pressure, steps to the side throws with all arm
-Drops his eyes quickly when trying to elude pressure
-Poor handler of the football, very loose with it even when eluding pressure; very fumble prone
-Footwork falls apart if he’s not able to get it out on time with his drop
-Threw the ball up into double coverage late if pressure was on its way on numerous occasions

Locks eyes onto receivers too often which defensive backs can easily follow
-Really struggles when initial reads fail and is forced to improvise outside of the pocket, unable to cover ground to create space or reset his feet on the

Very emotional player, will ride the highs and lows of the team
-Benched in the Vanderbilt game for what the coaches deemed to be “too amped up” causing poor play
-Didn’t improve at the rate most expected since getting 5 starts as a true freshman

From another board.

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 9640430)

Yes, exactly. If Reid can't get anything from him, no one will. Lets see if he matures, studies, works hard and can be coached up.

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9640448)

Yes, exactly. If Reid can't get anything from him, no one will. Lets see if he matures, studies, works hard and can be coached up.

This, over and over. Nobody who was hoping that Bray would be picked up by Chiefs has said he's going to be great out of the gate. He needs time to develop or simply bust out. There is no in between with this kid, it's all or nothing.

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Originally Posted by Cmd'r&Chief (Post 9640353)

Oh come on now, Coyle? Really?... GTFO

The mustaches in your sig are creeping me out.

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Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice (Post 9639579)

Well, Chase Daniel and Tyler Bray have one thing in common: neither has done shit in the NFL.

Stanzi's ass is already toast IMO.

Tyler Bray is the most talented QB on our roster.

How ****ing sad is that?

and they are polar opposites in many other areas of life and specifically one and I wonder what that would be :hmmm::rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 9640468)

Ya, I have said all along. Take this kid late. Let him sit, study and mature. Like the Pats did with Mallet. Lets see if Reid and co. can coach him up

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Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint (Post 9640479)

The mustaches in your sig are creeping me out.

John Holmes all the way:thumb:

Tyler Bray signs with Kansas City Chiefs

By Chris Wesseling
Around the League Writer
Published: <abbr id="article-time" class="value" title="2013-04-28T12:22:00-0400" style="border: 0px; font-variant: normal;">April 28, 2013 at 12:22 p.m.</abbr>
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The Kansas City Chiefs didn't pick up a quarterback in the 2013 NFL Draft, but they may have landed the best arm available this year.

The Chiefs signed Tennessee's Tyler Bray, reports ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Expected to be a mid-round draft pick, Bray has all of the measurables of an NFL starter. At 6-foot-6 and 230 pounds, Bray produced the Scouting Combine's best peak ball speed at 59 mph.

"This kid can rip it," NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said at the Combine. "He's got a live arm, man."

Bray's accuracy was scattershot and his pocket presence suspect at Tennessee, but it's maturity issues that kept him from being drafted. Bray reportedly turned off NFL teams with his inability to correctly identify plays on the whiteboard during the interview process.

"There's a lot of refinement that needs to take place," ESPN analyst Jon Gruden said. "He's got to learn how to manage some situations better. He's got to deliver at crunch time. He's got to polish his game. I think his preparation needs to increase."

Bray isn't going to challenge Alex Smith for the starting job any time soon, but head coach Andy Reid has picked up the most intriguing arm talent available this year.
Follow Chris Wesseling on Twitter @ChrisWesseling.

Tyler Bray Scouting Report
By Charlie Campbell

Strengths:
Cannon for an arm
Quick release
Plus mechanics
Big pocket presence
Great height
Can make all the throws
Good deep-ball thrower
Experience in a pro offense
Field vision is at a good starting point
Has the potential to compete quickly
Displays a gunslinger mentality
Huge upside

Weaknesses:
Accuracy issues
Footwork needs real improvement
Decision-making
Ball security; prone to interceptions
Not consistent; streaky during games and from week-to-week
Off-the-field maturity problems
Leadership skills?
Intangibles
Needs to gain weight
Lacks mobility, won't make plays with his feet

Summary: Bray has all the physical skills to be a good NFL quarterback. He has a powerful arm that can make all the throws in every level of the defense. He has great height to see the field and good pocket presence. There is no doubt that Bray has a powerful arm to beat NFL defensive backs and he clearly has the talent to develop into a starter.

Still, Bray is very much a work in progress. He really has to improve his accuracy and decision-making. If Bray can get more uniform with his feet that would really help him to throw more passes on the money. At times Bray will throw perfect passes downfield, so he has displayed the potential to be an accurate quarterback. If Bray can mimic the feet of Peyton Manning that could go along way to vastly improving his accuracy.

As a junior in 2012, Bray had a bunch of uneven games. He had a great start to the season with a huge game against North Carolina State. He targeted and abused one the nation's top cornerbacks, David Amerson, with two long touchdown passes. Bray was 27-of-41 for 333 yards and two touchdowns versus the Wolfpack. He had some struggles against Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi State. There was no legitimate reason for it but Bray was benched against Vanderbilt. He had huge performances against South Carolina, Troy and Missouri. In 2012 Bray completed 59 percent of his passes this season, collecting 3,612 yards, 34 touchdowns and 12 interceptions.

Bray completed 59 percent of his passes as as sophomore in 2011, totaling 1,983 yards with 17 touchdowns and six interceptions. He had a hand/thumb injury that caused him to miss five games and hurt him down the stretch. Bray completed 55.8 percent of his passes as a freshman for 1,849 yards with 18 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.

It is clear that Bray is a pocket passer. He is not a mobile quarterback and is not a threat to pick up yards on the ground. His line is going to be under more pressure to give Bray a clean pocket.

In college Bray struggled with his decision-making at times. He was repeatedly hurt by dropped passes and Tennessee's program had a lot of turmoil over the last few seasons. Bray wasn't in the best place to succeed and make the most of his physical talents.

However, NFL coaches are going to like the teaching he received from Jim Chaney at Tennessee. Chaney is well regarded in the NFL and has given Bray preparation in a pro style offense.

If Bray is developed well, he could turn into a quality starting quarterback in the NFL. Because Bray is a project with some significant accuracy issues to overcome, he'll probably fall to the second day of the draft. Bray would be best in a pro-style offense with a lot of downfield passing based off of play-action with a quality running game. A West Coast offense wouldn't be as good of a fit for Bray.

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 9640484)

John Holmes all the way:thumb:

In the British comedy Red Dwarf, a cat got turned in to a human being. That is what that picture looks like too me. A former cat, human.

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 9640430)

If anybody can get him to get his shit together, it's Reid. He's got more ability than any other QB in this draft.

Andy 'Crash Davis' Reid to the rescue !! But I do want him to hit the KCWolf mascot at least just once in pre-season:p

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Originally Posted by Cannibal (Post 9640490)

Tyler Bray Scouting Report
By Charlie Campbell

Strengths:
Cannon for an arm
Quick release
Plus mechanics
Big pocket presence
Great height
Can make all the throws
Good deep-ball thrower
Experience in a pro offense
Field vision is at a good starting point
Has the potential to compete quickly
Displays a gunslinger mentality
Huge upside

These are good strengths

Weaknesses:
Accuracy issues-Hopefully he can fix this enough to be good.
Footwork needs real improvement-Reid and co. can coach this.
Decision-making
Ball security; prone to interceptions-Reid can coach this and help his ball placement while in the pocket
Not consistent; streaky during games and from week-to-week
Off-the-field maturity problems
Leadership skills?
Intangibles
Needs to gain weight
Lacks mobility, won't make plays with his feet-Just needs to refine his pocket presence and learn to move around enough like Brady and Manning.

Summary: Bray has all the physical skills to be a good NFL quarterback. He has a powerful arm that can make all the throws in every level of the defense. He has great height to see the field and good pocket presence. There is no doubt that Bray has a powerful arm to beat NFL defensive backs and he clearly has the talent to develop into a starter.

Still, Bray is very much a work in progress. He really has to improve his accuracy and decision-making. If Bray can get more uniform with his feet that would really help him to throw more passes on the money. At times Bray will throw perfect passes downfield, so he has displayed the potential to be an accurate quarterback. If Bray can mimic the feet of Peyton Manning that could go along way to vastly improving his accuracy.

As a junior in 2012, Bray had a bunch of uneven games. He had a great start to the season with a huge game against North Carolina State. He targeted and abused one the nation's top cornerbacks, David Amerson, with two long touchdown passes. Bray was 27-of-41 for 333 yards and two touchdowns versus the Wolfpack. He had some struggles against Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi State. There was no legitimate reason for it but Bray was benched against Vanderbilt. He had huge performances against South Carolina, Troy and Missouri. In 2012 Bray completed 59 percent of his passes this season, collecting 3,612 yards, 34 touchdowns and 12 interceptions.

Bray completed 59 percent of his passes as as sophomore in 2011, totaling 1,983 yards with 17 touchdowns and six interceptions. He had a hand/thumb injury that caused him to miss five games and hurt him down the stretch. Bray completed 55.8 percent of his passes as a freshman for 1,849 yards with 18 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.

It is clear that Bray is a pocket passer. He is not a mobile quarterback and is not a threat to pick up yards on the ground. His line is going to be under more pressure to give Bray a clean pocket.

In college Bray struggled with his decision-making at times. He was repeatedly hurt by dropped passes and Tennessee's program had a lot of turmoil over the last few seasons. Bray wasn't in the best place to succeed and make the most of his physical talents.

However, NFL coaches are going to like the teaching he received from Jim Chaney at Tennessee. Chaney is well regarded in the NFL and has given Bray preparation in a pro style offense.

If Bray is developed well, he could turn into a quality starting quarterback in the NFL. Because Bray is a project with some significant accuracy issues to overcome, he'll probably fall to the second day of the draft. Bray would be best in a pro-style offense with a lot of downfield passing based off of play-action with a quality running game. A West Coast offense wouldn't be as good of a fit for Bray.

Hoping he gets coached up and sits for a couple years until he's ready.