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RealSNR 06-18-2021 05:25 PM

Is it just me or can the mirror universe go **** itself?

Look, it's cool. It's the plot of many great episodes. Obviously the original series is great. DS9 did some neat things with it, but they definitely ****ed up a good thing by the very end. Enterprise had a great two-parter. And after that, every time I see it, I brace for some lukewarm-ass Alex Kurtzman Star Trek.

The problem is you just can't rely on it for a 3+ episode arc. It gets too campy. All the episodes and shit they do starts to bleed together. You keep trying to push the envelope with it because you can get away with lots of shit, but by that point the writing just feels lazy.

RealSNR 06-18-2021 05:32 PM

The other gripe I have with the show is that Picard just has zero command presence. I know he's not a ship's captain anymore, but for ****'s sake, let him pontificate about something. Or stare down an enemy through a view screen. Or make a bold call. Those are all things old man Picard can do. If you want to highlight his age and how he's lost a step, go ahead and have him do it slowly. Or have him **** up.

This show is just a completely unrealistic portrayal of the Picard from the shows and even the movies. I suspect it's because they got Patrick Stewart in the writing room, and he clamored for some kind of deep, space Jesusy character that is put in situations for him to explore rich emotions or some shit. That's not Picard the character, or at least it's not why people liked Picard the character.

Is it too late for them to make Michael Dorn's Captain Worf show? Or would Kurtzman **** that up, too?

Mephistopheles Janx 06-18-2021 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15713271)
Is it just me or can the mirror universe go **** itself?

Look, it's cool. It's the plot of many great episodes. Obviously the original series is great. DS9 did some neat things with it, but they definitely ****ed up a good thing by the very end. Enterprise had a great two-parter. And after that, every time I see it, I brace for some lukewarm-ass Alex Kurtzman Star Trek.

The problem is you just can't rely on it for a 3+ episode arc. It gets too campy. All the episodes and shit they do starts to bleed together. You keep trying to push the envelope with it because you can get away with lots of shit, but by that point the writing just feels lazy.

I have always hated the Mirror Universe. Hated it in every iteration of Trek it has been brought out in. It kinda worked in TOS but I disliked it then too.

Frazod 06-18-2021 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mephistopheles Janx (Post 15713275)
I have always hated the Mirror Universe. Hated it in every iteration of Trek it has been brought out in. It kinda worked in TOS but I disliked it then too.

Oh come on, evil Kira was ****ing awesome.

Mennonite 06-18-2021 06:51 PM

Mirror,Mirror is a classic. I liked the first DS9 mirror universe episode "Crossover" but they went south after that. They were increasingly campy and dumb and they just kept going back to them. DS9 was a great show but this was one of its weakest aspects. I actually thought ENT's Through a Mirror Darkly was pretty decent outside of a dodgy CGI Gorn and some hammy acting by Bakula.

https://i.imgur.com/50EDtre.png

Jamie 06-18-2021 07:02 PM

I don't think Picard is going to use the Mirror Universe anyway. The first trailer implied (or at least seemed to imply) it would be a time travel plot.

Frazod 06-18-2021 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mennonite (Post 15713335)
Mirror,Mirror is a classic. I liked the first DS9 mirror universe episode "Crossover" but they went south after that. They were increasingly campy and dumb and they just kept going back to them. DS9 was a great show but this was one of its weakest aspects. I actually thought ENT's Through a Mirror Darkly was pretty decent outside of a dodgy CGI Gorn and some hammy acting by Bakula.

I've never really liked Bakula in anything. That Enterprise two-parter was pretty good, though. The Constitution-class Defiant laying waste to everything was awesome.

Mennonite 06-18-2021 07:10 PM

I like Scott Bakula. He has an innate likability. However, I don't think he has a commanding voice which makes it hard to play certain characters. His weakest moments are when he has to be a be a be authoritative or intimidating. Overall, I think his acting ability is on par with all of the other Trek captains outside of Patrick Stewart.

Oddly enough, I think Bakula would have been great as Trip. You would need to drop the pointless southern accent, of course. Bakula as Trip with Keith Carradine playing A.G. Robinson as the Captain, maybe? I don't know.

Frazod 06-18-2021 07:14 PM

Heh. If you like bad fake southern accents, try watching him in NCIS New Orleans. Yeesh.

And as far as his acting goes, IMO he's as wooden as Pinocchio.

Hammock Parties 06-18-2021 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mephistopheles Janx (Post 15713275)
I have always hated the Mirror Universe. Hated it in every iteration of Trek it has been brought out in. It kinda worked in TOS but I disliked it then too.

It's pretty kitschy.

Mennonite 06-19-2021 10:12 AM

One of the things I like best about Mirror, Mirror is that it is probably the best "ensemble" episode of TOS. Most episodes tend to center around the big three of Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, but in this episode everyone gets something to do.

Oh, and it has Barbara Luna too:

https://i.imgur.com/fISkk6v.jpg

Mennonite 06-21-2021 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 15594998)
I'm still watching Enterprise and I've hit some cheesy weak episodes that remind me that this is an old TV show


So, did you ever finish up ENT?


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listopencil 06-23-2021 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mennonite (Post 15715692)
So, did you ever finish up ENT?


https://i.imgur.com/c8yj4j5.png

I am still dragging it out as slowly as I can. Savoring it. I need it to last until the new Pike series comes out. I can't allow myself to be tempted to give Star Trek: Dicksuckery another chance.

unlurking 09-11-2021 07:45 AM

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