This was a young team that gets pretty rattled when teams start draining 3's on them.

It's almost like they just give up.

And the bigger problem is, unlike teams of the past, this team is so bad offensively talent wise, they can't shoot themselves back into a game or keep up pace w/ the hotter shooting team. That's why we saw them get blown out a lot this season a lot more times compared to teams of the past. KU got worked this yr......a lot (by their standards).

And really the way Auburn was shooting the first half, KU would have had Graham and Svi and it may not have mattered. Maybe they wouldn't have been up by as much, but KU also couldn't stop shit at the same time, even in 2nd half.

The season unceremoniously comes to an end. Thank goodness. :rolleyes:

Well, the nightmare is over. The least I've ever cared about a KU BB team. I don't get the feeling we'll be much better next year.

Can't say I've ever turned off a tourney game at half, but last night I did. First time I can say I'm glad the season is over.

Season was done before it even started.
Bill letting that Shit for Brains headcase back on the team
set the stage. Bill should of told Lulu and Lagerald to head overseas
and try his luck there. Much like Vick, this team had no fight or toughness.
They folded like a cheap suit any time adversity raised its head. Just like Vick....

THE WORST Team Self has had since he has been here......
Set a record for complete ASS Whippings (@ISU, @TT, @OU, ISU Tourney, AUB)

They had no leader.

Dotson is the only bright spot this year.

Bad job from Self this season... had a top recruiting class and still got clowned.

At least he didn't lose to a Bucknell,Bradley,Northern Iowa,VCU or Wichita State

Great job by Self to overcome losing 3 main players & fielding 4 freshmen. Hope KU can keep some of the young key players. They will reload for next year. They always do.

All of the Elite Eights and trips to the Final Four are fun though. :shrug:

At least he makes the tourney. If he didn’t you wouldn’t have anything to gloat about.

That Auburn team is a bitch and a half to play.

The entire roster is willing to just rain shots from everywhere. And they don't have a conscious. They'll just keep kicking the ball around, spreading you out and bombing away. And every damn game they'll have a 15 minute stretch where they can't miss.

Most days they'll also have a 10 minute stretch where there's a lid on the basket and that's when you beat them. But if that doesn't happen, they'll just bomb you into submission.

I saw that as a likely matchup for KU and suddenly didn't care anymore that the NCAA gifted them a home game in the Sweet 16 because I was pretty sure they weren't getting there. That's a tough team to match up against who can simply beat anyone on any given night. They have no chance to win it all because they don't have a plan B and sooner or later they'll go cold. The tournament is full of teams like that every year. Auburn's just an extreme version of them.

So you're saying they're Villanova on steroids?

I was telling someone yesterday (before the KU game), moving the line back seems far overdue.... it wouldn't fix some of the more annoying aspects of the game, like terrible shot selection with 22 seconds left on the shot clock, but watching a team shoot 30 threes a game is like watching NFL offenses fly up and down the field with little resistance.

I've been saying that for years.

It's shorter than the WNBA 3-point line, FFS.

At least push it to the WNBA/FIBA range.

If you could defend the 3. Then a team wouldn’t have an opportunity to chuck 30 a game up. And make halfback of them.

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I’d like to think that If Graham was out there he’d do more to rally the troops in getting back in transition, try to get in some passing lanes, try to strip some guys on the way up or something to make a difference defensively.

Not many teams can beat Auburn if they play that well, which is unlikely, but it was still a bad matchup for the slow ass roster KU is fielding. But there was also a failure of on-court leadership to do something to alter the flow of the game in the first half.

That cuts both ways tho. Last year E8 Dook fires up a tidy 6-25 from deep in their OT loss to us. When they had the best player in the country getting only 10 shots in the post. Teams can live by the 3 but they can also die

That was great that Coach K kept trying to get Grayson to shoot guarded shots instead of getting it to Bagley or Carter. Bless his heart.

If they’d gone 8-25 instead and won, our fans would be screaming about how we “don’t defend the 3”. In the tourney you can’t defend everything, you have to choose. Self chose to defend Bagley and it worked. Cal defended that 3-pt shooter for Wofford yesterday. (Not sure what we defended yesterday but that’s not worth even discussing)

Fletcher McGee went 0-12 against Kansas, too.

Well, a lot of people picked Duke to make it to the Final Four and still had a chance to win that game, so they aren't the one-trick pony that I'm talking about.... that was a great game.

And it's not about whether it benefits Kansas.

The one-trick pony, live/die by the 3 is the point... it's annoying, IMO. If Auburn can't hit 3s against UNC, they could lose by 25... if they go 15/30, they could win.... then repeat. Like left nut said, that's it. No advanced analytics required.

I know some people like the chaos, but I'd rather see the best teams play each other, and shooting a million 3s doesn't do it for me.

I think he needs to grab a JUCO player that is premier 3 point shooter, then they may have something. Only thing, I dont know who they would drop or advise to transfer, to obtain one? Charlie Moore could go, as far as Im concerned. I dont know what Self seen in him to sign him and let him sit out a year?

I agree with this. Preferably an upper classman who has some leadership ability too.

Charlie Moore can GTFO starting today IMO. What a waste of a roster spot.

Who started our season thread last year (FF year)?

Please start another....I want this one to be done.

not sappo, he jinxed this year. He’s to blame for this shit year. :)

Sapho had a watch party Saturday and served slow cooked roast and barrel aged whiskey and made the horrible game less so. Like I'm not blaming Sapho that I walked out of his house in a stupor and walked into a metal beam. Just because he started the night like this thread.

Charlie Moore leaving huge loss

LMAO

I'm all broken up over it tbh.

LOL. Good luck to him. Christ he was awful here.

He made ty appleton look like a baller

Good riddance.

Sad loss, but it makes me feel better knowing that they’ll be retiring his jersey as soon as it’s rligible.

Sad considering he was a finalist for the spring play the Broadway Version of Webster

He’s still got a shot at the Different Strokes remake, so there’s that.

Charlie sucked

Ballsacks

Hairy slimy wet sweaty ballsax

Lord there is zero depth on the perimeter. Moore was not good, but as of now we have Dotson, Grimes, Garrett, and Agbaji on the roster. KJ is as much a guard as Marcus Morris was. Have Isaac McBride coming in as a Freshman, but hasn't stepped foot on campus, yet - no idea what to expect there. That doesn't present any warm and fuzzy that we're gonna be good next year. One player gets injured or has ineligibility issues and now you're running out another Teahen for significant minutes.

As of right now, there are 9 scholarship players. with only 2 incoming. Here's to hoping for a kid like Stanley deciding there's plenty of playing time.

So are we in on any other recruits for next year? I haven't followed it this year. I see we have a couple of committs but we're going to need more. Any uncommitted possibly leaning our way?

What you talking bout Willis ?

KU in the mix on landing a few guys:

5* (PF) Matthew Hurt, 6'9, 200lbs, Rivals rank#7 overall
Schools in mix: KU(high), Duke(med), UNC, UK

-From his mixtape, he looks like a clumsy uncoordinated duck footed white boy dominating vs kids half his size. Doesn't look too athletic, I'll just be completely honest. Probably not gonna be able to get by w/ his height alone playing at KU. The dude can shoot his ass off from downtown though and would be the perfect trailer in a high low offense hitting 3's at the top of the key. Think Perry Ellis w/ less "finesse" to his game.


5* (PF) Precious Achiuwa, 6'9, 215lbs, Rivals rank#16 overall
Schools in the mix: Miss St, KU, UNC (all medium)

-Unlike Hurt, this guy's game is a lot more fluid, probably because he's black. But the guy plays like a big wing more than he does a paint guy, and can shoot from downtown, highly athletic. Think Julian Wright, but w/ a much better shot. He's a high flyer.


4* (SG) Cassius Stanley, 6'5, 185lbs, Rivals rank#33 overall
Schools in the mix: UCLA, KU (both high)

-I've seen Stanley ranked as a 5*, and higher on other lists, but per Rivals his ranking has seemed to dropped, not sure why. It will be hard to pry him away from UCLA, since he's from CA and they currently seem to be #1 on his list. This dude is incredibly athletic, high flyer, good ball handling skills and outside shot. Think Ben McLemore..dude will put on a show if he ever gets into the open court on a fast break.



KU needs ball handlers at the point, outside of Dotson. I mean really, there's a lot of this KU team that's lacking, but ball handling guards is one of those areas, so is big men, and 3pt shooting. Bill Self really didn't have a lot of to work with this yr and made best w/ what he had given the circumstances. Best big man gets hurt, 2nd best big man becomes ineligible, only thing you have left is a tweener guy who can score, but plays awfully soft and was forced to play big when he plays anything but that. KU didn't have any athleticsm at the guard spot, no help for Dotson. He's not good/experienced (yet) enough to take on a leadership role. And this team for the life of them just could not shoot from downtown...probably the worst shooting KU team I've seen in a long time.

I think Matt Hurt will tell us a lot about what impact the FBI investigation is having on our recruiting. We were the first major program on him, and he’s been a heavy Kansas-lean pretty much the whole way. If he ends up somewhere else, it’s likely a strong indication that recruits are getting scared off by the whole thing.

Based on the novel Push, by Sapphire?

Auburn just beat Kansas, UNC, and Kentucky to get the the FF. That is quite the road. Tip of the cap to the Tigers.

Arizona has the #1 recruiting class next year, so FBI isnt scaring kids as much as some seem to think.

the way Como describes Hurt, he should be lucky to play at Missouri State. Not be the 7th ranked recruit in the nation.

Kind of nice to see Duke denied access to the final four for two years in a row!

Finally all of the "Zion this" and "Zion that" bullshit is over with. I'll be interested to hear what this Michael Avanetti guy has on Nike Schools...fingers crossed it's on Duke and Kentucky.

Duke & Kentucky go down on the same day. Been a pretty good day.

hah...wouldn't that be somethin?

There’s a reason they have been compared to the pre-Durant Warriors.

Or the Nike fixers won.

Same thing in a sense.

Nike (for now) is above this whole thing. Kids can go to Nike school and get paid while not having to worry about any potential looming postseason bans.

That’s my concern.

Wasn't one of the Adidas schools on the tape saying Zion needed 100 grand and the **** was trying to get it together for some school? Maybe it was us, I don't even remember. Even if it was, whatever.

Are we really expected to believe that Zion needed $100 grand to go to an Adidas school, but went to Duke for free?

I mean, isn't that probable cause enough to at least take a tiny little looksey?

Thanks for the recruiting updates Como and others, I was hoping we were in on a Small Forward seems like we don't have much there.

Bill selfs house is forms sale. He gone

Garret is athletic and a good ball handler. Grimes is athletic but he doesn't have the greatest handles. I see it as he played like a freshman. My only hope is that he will no longer be a freshman. I actually believe that he will improve a lot. He can hit the 3 but his problem was that he was very inconsistent. Garret's 3 point shot is really bad. He should have improved on that this year but didn't. He even looked afraid to take that shot many times.

I really hope that the coaches have those guys zero in on improving their 3 point shot in the offseason. That would help the team tremendously.

UCLA offered Cal 6 years $48 million to leave Kentucky. Kentucky turns around and offers him a "lifetime" contract in response.

I STARTED THEM BOTH.

WITHOUT MY THREAD THIS TEAM GOES TO THE NIT

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ROFL :clap:

I would like to think that this will get some attention ASAP when the shit hits the fan.

Wait wut?

Might want to check the date there Mr. T-Hawk.

KJ Lawson transferring (assuming back to Memphis)...have to assume this means that Dedric will declare for the draft in the next few days. With Charlie Moore also departing, it appears that the cupboard is about to be pretty bare...

Gone:
KJ Lawson
Charlie Moore

Good as gone:
Dedric Lawson
Silvio De Sousa

Probably gone:
Azubuike

Could make a stupid decision and leave early:
Grimes

We currently have 2 signees:
#93 Braun 4*
#104 Isaac McBride 4*

In other words, Self better pull his typical late signing period rabbit out of his ass, or there is going to be more of the same next year.

Look for some graduate transfers. Maybe we should go the Gonzaga route. Find some highly skilled international guys.

I hope we just load up on a lot of lower ranked guys if we miss on the remaining top recruits.

Not a fan of the 1 or 2 year transfers.

Newman worked, because we had a lot of talent around him and he was formerly a top recruit.

I’d rather build for the future than end up with Charlie Moore and KJ Lawson for a year. Even if we’re worse in the short term.

Dedric didn't work? He was fantastic. Not his fault everybody else sucks.

I don’t believe I said Dedric didn’t work. He was great.

Obviously, we don’t get Dedric without KJ too.

I think we’d agree that Moore’s spot on the roster would’ve been better filled by a lower ranked recruit that could be a nice rotational player in a year or two. That’s my point.

I just brought up KJ, because he really didn’t give us any consistent play and he’s gone after playing for 1 year.

Did Zion’s mom get $100K? Or is it still Avenatti the only one saying that?

That came out of the Adidas trial, not Avenatti. It stands to reason that Nike made the requisite offer to get him to go to Duke.

We should switch to whoever is best at dodging the bullet. I want out of Adidas. Great products but the relationship is hardly about that.

Ooorrr. Maybe dont cheat.

Obviously, you shouldn’t cheat...buuut I think we all believe that the cheating is far more rampant than what’s been made public.

If you’re a 1 and done, why wouldn’t you take money? You’re only in college for a year anyway. If you get caught, so what? It won’t hurt your draft stock much.

There really isn’t much incentive for a major coach at a big name program to run a completely clean program. If he misses top recruits and starts losing, he’ll get fired. If he gets caught, it’ll likely be a slap on the wrist or it’ll go away completely. If you get punished bad enough, just take an NBA job.

Well we knew it would happen, Diedric Lawson to hire an agent.

https://www.rockchalktalk.com/2019/4...2019-nba-draft

Whatever happened to Newman? Is he playing somewhere?

Congrats to Texas tech. Great season for them. Rooting for them tomorrow.

Feel bad for Auburn. If that double dribble us called, they are likely playing for a national championship.

Auburn got screwed with that missed double dribble. I do agree with the foul called on the 3, though. Tough way to lose...

naw, auburn fouled the guy before he double dribbled

The double dribble came before the foul. Foul never should have been called.

The foul on the 3 was a good call. Ballsy that kid hit all 3 of those to win the game. Tough situation to make free throws in and he nailed them.

But, if that double dribble is called, that foul likely never happens.