Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12282189)

Hamas, I thought grounding the putter and the ball moving was a penalty, but Fay seemed to insinuate that's not the rule. I'll have to break out the rule book later.

I'd dj could put and stop doing coke, he'd be the best player on tour

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12282038)

I'd have to look at the replay again, but if he grounded his club behind the ball, then took a practice stroke at the ball moved, then he should be penalized according to rule.

However, I would say that it's karma for the bullshit he pulled off on 10. He claimed line of sight relief and ended up with a perfect lie when he was deep in the rough when he obviously didn't need it, because he flew the ball right over the tower.

If he ends up getting penalized, it will have been deserved, because hitting that shot on 10 after that ruling was a cheesedick move.

Also:

The USGA asked Dustin Johnson what else could have caused his ball to move on the 5th green. Johnson did not give an answer to that which is why after his round, the USGA will take DJ to watch the video and decide if he gets a one shot penalty.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12282215)

If you address the ball, ground the club and the ball moves on a windless day then I was under the impression that you are the agency that caused the ball to move, you have to replace the ball, and are assessed a one shot penalty.

In fact, Nicklaus never grounded the club behind any shot so that he wouldn't be assessed such a penalty.

Johnson certainly has the most athletic ability, but having a coke problem, a hooker of a wife (that dress, lol), being dumb as **** and having his dipshit brother on the bag certainly doesn't help.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12282860)

I don't see anyway they can figure he caused the ball to move there. He didn't sole the putter, didn't hit it with a practice putt, etc.

They deemed him close enough to have an influence of the golfball. I don't see how he could have caused it to move the way it did.

Dude is a ball striking machine though. I'm glad he won it.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12282881)

The counterargument is "What else would cause it to move?" There was no wind out there and he's taking a practice stroke a millimeter from the ball and soling his club not behind the ball but adjacent to it.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12282894)

They're also playing on greens that were rolling about 13, probably 13.5.

Our greens are currently at 11.4 and it's pretty ridiculous how fast that is, I can't really imagine putting greens that fast. It's not gonna take much to move it.

In my years of playing, watching, etc I've never seen that counterargument cause a ball to move. So, I guess, yeah, he may have caused it to move with that. But if so, to me, that means you probably don't need to have greens at that speed.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12282926)

The greens are too fast. You can get the turf harder while keeping the speed manageable by letting the grass grow out. Way too many long to mid irons were stopping on impact when they should require pros to run some of those shots up.

That's one of the things I hate about Mike Davis Open setups. The pros can play target golf too often.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12282926)

The greens are too fast. You can get the turf harder while keeping the speed manageable by letting the grass grow out. Way too many long to mid irons were stopping on impact when they should require pros to run some of those shots up.
That's one of the things I hate about Mike Davis Open setups. The pros can play target golf too often.

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 12283250)

It rained a bunch.

Originally Posted by hawkchief (Post 12283188)

For that matter, I'm tired of the US Open being about people like Mike Davis and their dastardly setup of a golf course. Joke.

The ball moving in the green rule should be treated like when you accidentally knock your ball off the peg on the tee - replace it with no penalty and move on. No on is gaining any advantage in the green if their ball moves a half millimeter anyway. There's only an issueless if it happens in the rough or fairway. Period.