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Lex Luthor 07-19-2015 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11606908)

That's the nice thing about the timing of Duffy and Ventura's returns. And Medlen's, too, for that matter.
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This is really just more evidence that Dayton Moore is a genius with his off-season pitching acquisitions. The fact that the Royals are 20 games over .500 with the first half troubles of Duffy, Ventura and Vargas is astounding.

tk13 07-19-2015 03:05 PM

Yeah, the 2005 White Sox had four pitchers throw 200+ innings and win 14+ games with an ERA under 4. Buerhle/Contreras/Garcia/Garland. And they all pitched well in the postseason.

But that goes to show there is more than one way to win. They didn't have a Bumgarner level ace... but they still had excellent starting pitching. The game has changed even since then, but you've got to get something from your starters.

Lex Luthor 07-19-2015 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11606938)
No, it's a horrible comparison. We can trade Duffy and if he really wants to be a royal like you're saying, I'm sure if he becomes John Smoltz Dayton wouldn't mind bringing him back as a free agent so that he can be a royal again since he's so loyal and all

2 years is 2 years

I'll say one thing for you: you will never, ever, ever admit that you are wrong about something.

That's not really a positive thing to say about somebody.

Hootie 07-19-2015 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac (Post 11606947)
I'll say one thing for you: you will never, ever, ever admit that you are wrong about something.

That's not really a positive thing to say about somebody.

I'm not wrong about your dipshit John Smoltz post ... Because we only control Duffy for TWO YEARS ... So it made no ****ing sense

tk13 07-19-2015 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac (Post 11606932)
No, it's a great comparison. Have you been paying attention to Danny Duffy over the last several seasons? He LOVES being a Royal. He is only under contractual control for 2 years, but the Royals chances of signing him to another contract after that are excellent.

Danny Duffy is also far more valuable than Kyle Zimmer because Zimmer has never proven that he can stay healthy and he has never faced a major league hitter. I would trade Kyle Zimmer even up for 3 months of Johnny Cueto in a ****ing heartbeat, but that will never happen because the Reds' asking price for Cueto is ****ing ridiculous.

I'd agree with this if you really think you can re-sign him. I'm arguing under the impression we won't. Because if he doesn't reach his potential, trading him away won't hurt.

If he does reach his potential, or even get halfway there, he'll be a 28 year old lefty who can throw 96. He'll get a huge contract.

WilliamTheIrish 07-19-2015 03:12 PM

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Key spots for Duffy today were working past Abreu and Cabrera with the tying runs in scoring position. That's the type of toughness and ability to strand runners we've seen Duffy display before... and need him to display moving forward.

But Abreu could have walked 6 times in that AB/ Petegeezus

Coach 07-19-2015 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac (Post 11606932)
Zimmer has never proven that he can stay healthy

That's my biggest issue with Zimmer. At what point do you have to say "Okay, for some reason, he can't just stay healthy."

We all can say Zimmer is a very good baseball player and has tremendous talent and potentional, but hard to do that if he's consistently missing time due to injuries.

Lex Luthor 07-19-2015 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 11606951)
I'd agree with this if you really think you can re-sign him. I'm arguing under the impression we won't. Because if he doesn't reach his potential, trading him away won't hurt.

If he does reach his potential, or even get halfway there, he'll be a 28 year old lefty who can throw 96. He'll get a huge contract.

I started following Danny Duffy on Twitter the year he had to be shut down for Tommy John surgery. He was the Royals biggest fan on Twitter the rest of that season. It was refreshing to see a major league player with an attitude like that.

Is that any kind of proof that Duffy would give the Royals a hometown discount when he becomes a free agent? Of course not. I need to say that before Hootie jumps in and starts mocking me. But the attitude of a player can sometimes make a big difference in what the player winds up doing.

I know that I'd sure as hell prefer a guy like Duffy who loves being a Royals and pitches his heart out for them to a guy like Greinke who stops trying to get guys out in order to force the Royals to trade him (which is exactly what that cocksmoker did).

If Duffy becomes the left-handed ace that he has the potential to be (and that he has shown signs of being), the Royals will make him a solid contract offer, and he may very will give them a hometown discount. If you trade him away, you can be damn sure that a free agent pitcher that you've already dumped isn't going to give you any type of a discount.

Even having said all of that, I'll say that I would trade him for 3 months of Cueto that acquiring Cueto would be a guarantee of a World Series win. But acquiring Cueto guarantees you absolutely nothing.

Fansy the Famous Bard 07-19-2015 03:22 PM

Oh... and **** Ed Farmer. I hope you have a shitty week.

Pitt Gorilla 07-19-2015 03:22 PM

Time to cash in some of that excess value and deal colon for sale straight up.

Fansy the Famous Bard 07-19-2015 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 11606972)
Time to cash in some of that excess value and deal colon for sale straight up.

But that Colon potential, though....

duncan_idaho 07-19-2015 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11606925)
The 2005 Sox rotation was unbelievable in the postseason. I suppose you don't need "aces" if your pitchers all pitch like aces in the postseason. I mean, seriously. Their starting pitching won them a World Series where they lost 1 game the entire postseason. Their starters were SO good

I would consider that a staff of 3 No. 3 types and a good No. 2 type. It was good and deep, but probably is listed at the bottom of WS champs since 2000, except perhaps for the 2006 Cardinals or 2002 Angels.

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Originally Posted by Brainiac (Post 11606932)
No, it's a great comparison. Have you been paying attention to Danny Duffy over the last several seasons? He LOVES being a Royal. He is only under contractual control for 2 years, but the Royals chances of signing him to another contract after that are excellent.

Danny Duffy is also far more valuable than Kyle Zimmer because Zimmer has never proven that he can stay healthy and he has never faced a major league hitter. I would trade Kyle Zimmer even up for 3 months of Johnny Cueto in a ****ing heartbeat, but that will never happen because the Reds' asking price for Cueto is ****ing ridiculous.

I don't think the Reds' asking price for Cueto is ridiculous. It's not Reuben Amaro level bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 11606962)
That's my biggest issue with Zimmer. At what point do you have to say "Okay, for some reason, he can't just stay healthy."

We all can say Zimmer is a very good baseball player and has tremendous talent and potentional, but hard to do that if he's consistently missing time due to injuries.

He's done a pretty good job staying healthy and pitching through things this season. They shut him down to discomfort for a few days earlier this year, but he's been throwing consistently.

The positive there is that POTENTIALLY that procedure he underwent last season did actually fix the issues he was having.

SPATCH 07-19-2015 03:37 PM

The Kazmir + Reddick idea sent a lightning bolt to the tip of my penis.

Is that actually a possibility?

Fansy the Famous Bard 07-19-2015 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SPATCH (Post 11606989)
The Kazmir + Reddick idea sent a lightning bolt to the tip of my penis.

Is that actually a possibility?

Do you believe in Unicorns? Then yes, it's a possibility.

SPATCH 07-19-2015 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 11606992)
Do you believe in Unicorns? Then yes, it's a possibility.

Alright, sweet.


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