Yep but, believe it or not it has gotten better. Last year it was horrific. It will be one of the big knocks on the guy going into the draft. I got killed when I said this two months ago.

LMAO

That's bullshit.

His footwork or "happy feet" is due to him keeping them shoulder width and under him the whole time in the pocket. When he throws he's nearly always firmly planted.

Go watch Mark Sanchez or Jimmy Clausen in college if you want to see what real happy feet look like.

Smith is simply keeping his feet under him and squared to his body. Completely different than true "happy feet."

Maybe it's a good thing if Geno slips a bit and Barkley becomes the #1 prospect. That way, all the pressure isn't on the Chiefs to get the #1 pick. If we can get Geno at #2 or #3...that's a good thing. Let Jacksonville get Barkley with the #1 pick. That way, we can still beat Denver's ass one time and not feel bad about it (if you would have felt bad about it in the first place lol).

He chops and hops, just like you're supposed to. He keeps those feet firing and flips his hips through to get to his reads.

Smith is young and doesn't always plant that back foot and fire because, well, that's what young quarterbacks do. It takes some time to get the balls to stand in there and deliver instead of fading back and getting popped. In HS, that was always good enough for him. In College it's usually good enough for him. This is what you see from very talented young QBs - they almost brace for that his as they throw because their arms let them get away with it.

In the pros he'll learn and improve in that aspect. It'll burn him on occasion, but I see no reason why he can't get past it. His footwork is otherwise solid.

Yeah, I was about to say. Bullshit on him not planting and throwing. He does it better than any QB since Eli Manning coming out of college, and yes that INCLUDES Andrew Luck.

And I'd add to those two an incredibly quick release and a high point of release. He also keeps his eyes downfield all the time no matter the pressure on him in the pocket.

He also can make every throw at any part of the field. (Which is the main problem I have with Barkley - he'll wind up on deep throws where he requires accuracy. He's going to have to be in a set WC type system a la Alex Smith to be really successful at the next level, and, to be honest, I want a guy who can flick that sumbitch and hit a covered guy in stride fifty yards deep, not a ****ing five/ten yard dink and dunk West Coast suck my boring ass balls system.)

He's got a ton of stuff you want to see out of a potential high level NFL QB in his game right now.

His upside is huge and he's more NFL game ready than anybody in this draft at the position.

Luck threw on the move better than Smith does, IMO.

One of the most incredible things about Luck was that he could roll out, keep his eyes downfield and fire a freakin' strike. Smith isn't nearly as good in that regard.

Luck wasn't asked to stand in there and fire in the face of pressure very often because Harbaugh had the luxury of knowing he could roll him out without losing effectiveness and generally did so.

I don't Smith is as consistent about it as you do, but I do agree that it's not a liability of his. You consider it among his great assets, it appears. I don't, but I certainly don't think he's bad about it by any means.

You will all kneel and say 10 "Hail Geno's".

While you can't exactly give him a pass on the last few games where he hasn't played well, you can put some of it on the system and defense.


I still like him as a prospect but he does have some question marks. His decision making has been questionable at best. Might be due to the fact that he has had to score on every possession cause his defense is a sieve but it has def not been up to par

Just say no to Geno Smith.............. He is not even close to being as good as RG3 but everyone seems to think so. He had a couple good games against crap teams. He is not worth the pick. I want BARKLEY.

I absolutely agree. I'm talking about planting and throwing, not throwing on the run.

That's a little bit of a hitch in Geno's game. On the run. It's good, but that's when his fine throwing technique breaks down ever so slightly. He needs to do exactly what he does when he stands and delivers in the pocket.

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Set this on fire and rape yourself with it.

85 TDs to 18 INTs is nothing to sneeze at.

Then take your stupid shit over to the Barkley thread.

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Against better competition this year, Geno hasn't played as well. He hasn't made good decisions consistently and has forced throws.


Maybe it's because he's pretty much forced to make plays with a defense that is awful, or maybe he's overmatched. Time will tell.

The primary problem, imo, is scheme. The plays take too long to develop down the field for a real defense.

It may very well be scheme. But I will say against TCU, on the few deep balls I saw him throw, they weren't very good.


I've seen him throw it deep before, but that day his deep ball wasn't very good.

Yea, it definitely wasn't a showcase performance.

They all have them.

Go look at Barkley versus Stanford or Syracuse this season. (Actually, you should watch that game to look at Syracuse QB Ryan Nassib. Like that guy a lot and would like to see the Chiefs pick him up in about Round 3.)

Wilson wasn't particularly pretty against Rutgers and Ole Miss.

And I consider TCU's Dick Bumpas to be one of, if not the best, defensive coordinators in all of college football.

And I still didn't see anything out of Geno that showed he didn't have the tools or that the previous 2 1/2 seasons were a fluke. The guy threw for three touchdowns against one interception against the #2 ranked defense against the pass/interceptions in TCU.

It's like the ****ing sky is falling around here.

Jesus the guy threw three TD's and put his team in a position to win the game.

He completed less than 50% of his throws iirc. His one pick was an awful throw into double coverage as well. One of his tds was an awful throw into double coverage that the wr made a play on and one was a shovel pass to Austin that he took the distance.


He's a fine player and I think he has a great upside but let's not act as if Saturday was some great performance. It was a game where his defense, bad as it is actually got some stops too

It's unreal how shitty his team is outside of the 2 stud WR's.

At one point in the game, West Virginia ran it up the middle on 2nd and 1. Got stuffed. Then ran it up the middle on 3rd and 1. Stuffed again. Then on 4th down they get the punt blocked and returned for a TD. Then on the first play after the kickoff, the OL gets called for holding.

Nobody can carry those scrubs. Not even Luck or RG3 for crying out loud.

Well, like I said, Geno is a risk and we're just now seeing that. It's an interesting decision in that Barkley is a sure thing but he probably has the ceiling to be nothing better than a fringe top 10 QB, whereas Geno has boom/bust written all over him but if he booms he could become elite.

The leadership issue is one I would definitely, definitely look into and we can't look past it. I don't know what his personality is. But how a QB interacts with reporters is very important. It sends a message to your team. And it also likely says a lot about how he deals with teammates. For example... I would say that Cam's stupid comments a few weeks ago, were pretty damn revealing about who he is as a leader.

He was at 60% completion against TCU.

32/54
260 yards
3 TD's
1 Int
114.3 Rating

And he gave them a chance to win. TCU made a two point conversion in the second overtime.

And I'm not saying it was a great performance. I don't think anyone is. Everyone is saying it was his worst of the year. If that's his worst, which it most likely was, then that's pretty good for having your "worst" game of the year.

To quote a quote:

I am all for a QB, but I guess I just haven't seen enough college football this year, I know all the hype around Smith, but I finally got to watch his last couple games and I was underwhelmed...

I know those were his worst performances but he looked pretty mediocre to me.. and I really didn't like seeing Bucky Brooks compare him to Jason Campbell..

As a Mountaineer fan, sadly this team just doesn't have the tools to make Geno look all that great outside of himself. He has the tools and this year they seemingly have come together. I have fully admitted that I was not a huge fan until this season, but I have to admit that I may have been critiquing his play based on an inflated opinion of this team as a whole his entire career.
I along with a state full of fans has underestimated the Big 12 talent wise and the divide between it and the Big East. I went into the season with guarded optimism thinking WVU could finish close to the top and completely missed.
I've also come to the conclusion that those comparing this team to Baylor last year or even RGIII is a bit unreasonable. Geno and RGIII simply are not that similar in playing style or athleticism, Geno is no slouch but RGIII is a special kind of athlete. Geno has the tools to match him in the passing game, but its not close running wise.
And this team isn't as good as Baylor last year. This WV team is young and thin at skill positions and hasn't yet caught up with the Big 12.
Holgerson hasn't figured out what's wrong with the offense and while Deforrest and the D finally had a decent game, special teams and inconsistency on offense let them down. Holgerson has yet to live up to his pedigree offensively speaking for any amount of time and is still growing as a HC.

No dude. The biggest knock on him at the end of last season was the footwork. Please stop it. You can see it on the tape. Your post is just straight up bullshit.

Why should I take anything you say seriously? You don't know what a prevent defense is.

Please stop overanalyzing this. The Redskins lost to the lowly Carolina Panthers yesterday, even with the almighty RG3 at the helm. The Chiefs are going to lose games with whomever they choose to be their next quarterback, don't let every win or loss dictate how Smith or Barkley does. They both did exceptionally well on Saturday and its not their faults that their defenses are epically bad. Just calm it down, wait for the final stat line and don't tell me Bucky Brooks is some great NFL Quarterback evaluator. He sees what you see and makes his own evaluation, Scott Pioli does the same thing if you need it put into perspective.

chiefs fans are always looking for reasons to claim QB X isn't good enough...it's a habit with a long tradition

Hey man, you got a little something white dripping from the corner of your mouth

Raider turd is turd-like.

Tell us all again how good of a QB Matt Cassel is you ****ing troll

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Looks like you are trying to jerk off a heart shaped penis.

TOO RISKY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hai guise, what potential Pro Bowl Full Back's are available this year or maybe a sweet Tight End would toot your fancy.

That white stuff dripping from the corner of your mouth is Geno Guice

Oh and Cassel is a Pro Bowler

I'm gonna call Doug Martin "Forrest Gump", he's still running.

That sob ate us up,I ain't mad,What can I say, he scored 3 tds on the same counter trey.

ND TE with our #1 overall pick sounds like a plan for long-term success to me.

I hate rep restrictions.

That first drive was just awful by Smith.

He threw one pass - in 30+ mph winds way downfield. Overreact much?

Hows Geno playing today?

Pathetic offensive line play. Geno avoids 2 defenders instantly in his face off the snap, has to deal with 3 more. Sacked.

Geno smartly stays poised, lets Tavon Austin do all the work.

What channel is this game on?

15/21, 133 yds, 6.3 avg,1 TD so far...

ABC or ESPN2 depending on your location

Quiet crowd today.

ESPN 2

Lol. West Virginia's special teams apparently doesn't understand the importance of collecting a kickoff.

Great am strength on the out

Hell of a pass there deep...

Great throw.

God i dont want Barkley.

Great throw under pressure there

Two great throws in a row. Nice drive.

Another TD for Geno.

31-24 Ok State.

That's a dumb call on the onsides kick.

Dana Holgerson is going to lose ANOTHER game for Geno Smith.

Holgerson is a terrible coach, imo.

Romeo Crennel would bench Tavon Austin right there

Great 3rd down sideline throw. Even if it's not ruled a catch, that should show doubters that Geno is the best passer of this draft. That's an incredible throw.

Bailey ****ed up on that one.

Nice throw wasted.

Since the ankle injury bailey has sucked. Not sure if he's hurt or what


Geno has played pretty well today from what I've seen

Draft this kid. No defense, offense averaging 3 YPC (taking out his rushes).

They're in the game.

Arians + Geno Smith = HOPE

Wish the wr would have kept running on that long ball

It was a good throw. Give your receiver a chance to hit a homerun. Especially given the 30 mph winds.

Terrible special teams play...

wrong.

Arians + Geno Smith = Rape (of the rest of the AFC west)

Smith Cassel'd that one on third down.

He's made that throw all day, and just picked a shitty time to miss it now

Geno Smith NEEDS to use his legs in situations like that. Why the **** does he always do that? Its really my only real gripe with the kid.

Its like he wants to distance himself from black quarterback profiling that he refuses to run EVEN WHEN HE NEEDS TO.

Yep. And that probably has a lot to do with coaching.

In the pros I hope he gets with a coach who will encourage him to use his mobility. The problem is breaking out of that habit usually requires some time on the bench. Kansas City doesn't have time to let Geno develop for a season before throwing him out there.

There we go. Now he runs.

KC gets a chise QB, the West is ****ed.

But, but, but Manning will eat stem cells and play till he's 50!!!/Slowmo

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I am fully confident that Arians would have him ready to play game one.

I heard he doesn't eat chicken, either.

Oh, and he loves crackers and cheese.

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