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KC_Connection 06-17-2014 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 10697195)
:spock:

I didn't deny any Boston fanship.

I specifically asked you whether you were a fan of Boston sports. You said no. LMAO

Just Passin' By 06-17-2014 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 10697190)
So basketball was better back then, therefore any comparable player in today's game takes a back seat?

No. Basketball was different back then, and the game was played differently. The league was also better stocked with higher end talent, which meant that better players faced better players more often, and that impacts cross-era numbers, just as watering down a league through expansion does. This isn't controversial to anyone, except you and KC Connection, apparently.

chiefzilla1501 06-17-2014 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10697181)
ARod is an all-time great just like Gehrig was. Hard to say whether one was better than the other, they played in such vastly different eras of baseball.

I'll help you out. Gehrig was a .360 hitter in the playoffs and won 6 World Series. This OPS # you mention a million times? Gehrig's was 1.208. And that actually matters because Gehrig and ARod are supposed to be the same type of hitters. One was a big time playoff hitter, the other was not save for one season out of 9.

While you can't compare players between eras, you CAN compare playoff performance. Because they are either better/equal in the playoffs or they are markedly worse. Gehrig was markedly better in the playoffs; ARod is markedly worse in the playoffs.

Just Passin' By 06-17-2014 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10697196)
I specifically asked you whether you were a fan of Boston sports. You said no. LMAO

That's not what you asked me.

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10697169)
So you are a Boston fan in all sports, I take it.

Quit being a dumbass.

KC_Connection 06-17-2014 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 10697199)
That's not what you asked me.



Quit being a dumbass.

Semantics. You knew exactly what I meant and denied it anyway. Your post I cited also makes reference to you being a Patriots/Celtics/Bruins/Red Sox fan, which are the 4 major sports in this country.

KC_Connection 06-17-2014 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10697198)
I'll help you out. Gehrig was a .360 hitter in the playoffs and won 6 World Series. This OPS # you mention a million times? Gehrig's was 1.208. And that actually matters because Gehrig and ARod are supposed to be the same type of hitters. One was a big time playoff hitter, the other was not save for one season out of 9.

While you can't compare players between eras, you CAN compare playoff performance. Because they are either better/equal in the playoffs or they are markedly worse. Gehrig was markedly better in the playoffs; ARod is markedly worse in the playoffs.

Gehrig was great. ARod was great. As to who was the better player, it's really tough to say due to the vast difference of eras. I could make arguments for either of them quite easily.

Just Passin' By 06-17-2014 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10697200)
Semantics. You knew exactly what I meant and denied it anyway. Your post I cited also makes reference to you being a Patriots/Celtics/Bruins/Red Sox fan, which are the 4 major sports in this country.

It's not semantics. You were the one trying to play games, as that idiotic

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It's not worth it. The guy's a Celtics fan who is nostalgic about Bird and old-time basketball, there will be no getting through to him on this point.
post of yours demonstrated with abundant clarity. I just answered your question honestly. You, on the other hand, are being a dishonest prick. :thumb:

KC_Connection 06-17-2014 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 10697202)
It's not semantics. You were the one trying to play games, as that idiotic

It is. It's hilarious that you would even bother trying to hide/deny your biases like that when they are so obvious.


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post of yours demonstrated with abundant clarity. I just answered your question honestly. You, on the other hand, are being a dishonest prick. :thumb:
Right on! Carry on being a Boston homer, then. Bird will clearly never be topped. LMAO

chiefzilla1501 06-17-2014 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10697201)
Gehrig was great. ARod was great. As to who was the better player, it's really tough to say due to the vast difference of eras. I could make arguments for either of them quite easily.

It was silly enough that you compared ARod's postseason play to Jeter's. Here you have a player in Gehrig that did it all in the playoffs from hitting an insane average, to winning 6 world series, to also hitting home runs. This is an unbelievably easy comparison. ARod was far WORSE in the playoffs than the regular season. Lou Gehrig was far BETTER in the playoffs than the regular season.

If you actually believe you can make an argument for ARod over Gehrig, then you seem to put absolutely no stock in a player's ability to deliver in the clutch.

KC_Connection 06-17-2014 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10697206)
It was silly enough that you compared ARod's postseason play to Jeter's.

No, you did that. I couldn't give two shits about ARod or Jeter. I just exposed it for the nonsensical narrative it was.

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But, the actual evidence from Jeter and Rodriguez’s postseason performances simply don’t match the storylines that have been created about them. While Jeter is lauded for his postseason play, Rodriguez is vilified. The evidence simply doesn’t support those ideas. Both are great players. Have have hit well in October. Rodriguez has just hit a bit better, especially when you account for context.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/a-fri...d-and-october/

chiefzilla1501 06-17-2014 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10697208)
No, you did that. I couldn't give two shits about ARod or Jeter. I just exposed it for the nonsensical narrative it was.


http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/a-fri...d-and-october/

Yeah, if you believe that showing up 1 year and mostly sucking the other 8 or 9 playoff appearances is acceptable. You're comparing a guy who played well in the playoffs 20% of the time to one who played well 80% of the time. And that's mostly not even exaggeration.

KC_Connection 06-17-2014 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10697211)
Yeah, if you believe that showing up 1 year and mostly sucking the other 8 or 9 playoff appearances is acceptable. You're comparing a guy who played well in the playoffs 20% of the time to one who played well 80% of the time. And that's mostly not even exaggeration.

More from that article (from someone who knows far more about baseball than either of us):

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By the way, just for fun, you know what Derek Jeter’s postseason Clutch score is? -1.38. Because of when his distribution of hits have come, Jeter’s actually been an offensive negative during his playoff career even with that 122 wRC+. If you’re looking for a Yankee whose postseason context-specific performance is significantly worse than his overall line would suggest, the evidence points towards Jeter, not Rodriguez.
It's fun exposing bogus narratives with facts. You should try it sometimes instead of buying into them blindly.

chiefzilla1501 06-17-2014 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10697225)
More from that article (from someone who knows far more about baseball than either of us):

It's fun exposing bogus narratives with facts. You should try it sometimes instead of buying into them blindly.

1) You didn't address why it is acceptable to play one outstanding playoff, then be absolutely terrible the other 8 or 9
2) Buying into things blindly? Like relying on a "clutch statistic" that is completely unreliable with limited # of playoff at bats? In case you were wondering, you need 7,600 at bats to normalize the score (http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/inde...ll_does_exist/)

KC_Connection 06-17-2014 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10697233)
1) You didn't address why it is acceptable to play one outstanding playoff, then be absolutely terrible the other 8 or 9

For all intents and purposes, ARod has been in the playoffs in 10 different years. He's had a playoff OPS above .800 in 5 of those 10 years (1997, 2000, 2004, 2007, and 2009), with three of the poorest years coming between 2010-2012 when he was already firmly passed his prime.

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2) Buying into things blindly? Like relying on a "clutch statistic" that is completely unreliable with limited # of playoff at bats? In case you were wondering, you need 7,600 at bats to normalize the score (http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/inde...ll_does_exist/)
If that's the truth (and you believe it), then why do would you ever continue to stress ARod's limited playoff sample size (which only amounts to 274 AB in his career) as if it is some kind of true indication of clutchness and a reason why his career should be seen as inferior to others? If it takes that many ABs (as the research suggests), then how would it have any meaning in that regard at all?

Indeed, it seems you're losing track. That article you cited from Tom Tango is contrary to everything you've been trying to argue since this all began. LMAO

New World Order 06-17-2014 03:09 AM

KC Connection is going to defend Lebron no matter what.

He has made it his mission.


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