When stories like this pop, they either grow and gain traction, or they fade away. Looks like this one has legs. If it really did hit the fan, I wonder what the end result of it all would be. Pioli fired? Clark apology? Where would it lead?

You wouldn't want to know where these accusations are coming from?

I sure as **** would. Especially if a lot of what was being said are lies.

And why do they have to be painted as nervous? Because the media said so?

The only head executive that we'd want to hear from who hasn't addressed this situation is Pioli. Because Pioli hasn't talked, that makes them nervous?



Until all the facts come out, and Chiefs defend themselves, everyone is making assumptions here.

What I thought was interesting is that Gretz blames Hunt, not Pioli.

Again, I'd have no problem with anything that is going on over there if the unique work environment produces playoff victories. I don't see how secrecy matters all that much in this line of business. This is not Apple Computer.

The workers who said it wasn't toxic spoke on the record and the article said most of them had a PR person present. It's hard to imagine that any of those guys are going to say anything negative. It goes without saying that it's far more interesting that only the current workers who were listed as "anonymous" seemed to have more negative things to say.

If Gretz's accusation is true that the Chiefs were threatening lawsuits for these interviews, that's a really bad statement about the lengths the Chiefs will go to control their reputation. And it makes it a lot harder to really believe their credibility.

Your last point is a fair point. But again, they are throwing out ideas and allowing us to react to them. I don't think gum wrappers and coffees is a big deal--I think that level of accountability is a good thing. There are other things in this article that scare the shit out of me.

Oh wow. The PR guy was there doing his job. Big Shocker. I'm sure there are PR people around when doing a lot of Chiefs interviews. I'd be surprised if there weren't.

Let's hope Pioli gets fired.

If these are slanderous statements that are being made, then why would the Chiefs threatening to sue give them less credibility?

Slander is a big deal. Especially for a Pro Sports team. Look at the shit stirred up by this article, yet there is no proof yet that ANYTHING was tapped.

Wow. A few months ago, I talked about Penn State and the kind of fear of God that university can put on a person trying to blow the whistle. This is exactly why. What you're suggesting goes against everything this country is trying to do to encourage whistleblowing, even when companies are bullying their workers to keep their mouths shut.

And again, most of the stuff in this article is fact. And Mark Donovan or Clark Hunt either confirmed it was true, or defended the practice. Who the **** knows why Pioli chose not to participate. That's the part that continues to be a head scratcher for me.

Yeah the lawsuit thing, I get that and tend to think that is a little on the shitty side.


I just think people who hate Pioli are using this to burn him at the stake. Don't get me wrong hte dude has made mistakes, but say we don't lose our two best players this year, Mo and Cassel stay healthy, we win 9 or 10 games, make the playoffs and just beat the Steelers and lost to the Pats.

If all that happened and this article came out, what would be the reaction?

Right...and while you're NOT getting rid of Hunt, I hope this is him simply learning to run a franchise and that he adapts over time.

Just curious, but what in the article do you see as so heinous?

Sitting there like a Soviet political commissar, and you don't think that's a bit weird? And why not with all of them Scott?

There is nothing slanderous in this article.

People on the business side have nothing to do with the players on the field. Its two seperate business operations. The overlap on the two is actually very minimal other than sharing the same building and getting a paycheck from the same place. Pioli's CIA operation is just ****ing stupid. Run the football side if you want that way fine but some of the other bullshit is just that bullshit. Basically it proves that all Pioli has been under is just football. Every level of football is run in a dictatorship type form. Business is not. Stupid thing on Pioli's part is the business side is the people who have to go out and cover your ass with the public for the shitty product you put on the field. They are the ones who deal with the fans every single day. They are the ones who deal with the business owners in the community. Not to mention the Midwest mentality is not to be closed up about anything. Us Midwesterners are friendly people by nature. You might be able to get away with secerts and other bullshit on the East Coast but it won't fly in the Midwest.

It seems like you think they're threatening to sue because they wanna scare people, when in fact they could be threatening to sue because the newspaper is stating slanderous statements w/o merit.

Your opinion: "OMG, KC STAR, if you write this article and release the truth, we'll threaten to sue you....for what, i don't know, but we will!" -Chiefs

My Opinion: "OMG KC Star, most of this shit is lies, and if you write lies about our organization, that's grounds for a lawsuit" - Chiefs



See? It could go either way. So why assume?