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BlackHelicopters 01-22-2014 09:05 AM

With posting fee it is 7 years 175

WhawhaWhat 01-22-2014 09:11 AM

So wishful thinking... hopefully the Yankees can't offer Santana a deal now and the Royals have one less team to compete against.

BlackHelicopters 01-22-2014 09:15 AM

So Santana gets what? 5/90?

C3HIEF3S 01-22-2014 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 10386867)
So wishful thinking... hopefully the Yankees can't offer Santana a deal now and the Royals have one less team to compete against.

I doubt the Yankees and that park would be a very good fit for Ervin.

duncan_idaho 01-22-2014 09:23 AM

Stuff should start shaking out now, though the whole compensation pick thing could still have teams dragging their feet on Santana and Jimenez.

I don't think really affects the Santana market, other than getting the ball rolling. The Yankees were never going to sign him (guys that give up bombs + Yankee Stadium=disaster).

alnorth 01-22-2014 09:29 AM

Fantastic. I actually wanted Tanaka to go to the Yankees all along, if not them, then the Dodgers I guess to keep him out of the AL. His best seasons are going to be wasted up there, and it obviously destroys their chance at staying under 189 unless they shed payroll elsewhere.

The Yankees are not a good team on paper at all, and their short-term future looks pretty bleak even with their ability to spend in free agency every year.

Since we aren't really competing for the same players, I see New York as a big fat talent sink, helping us out by absorbing free agent talent away from teams that might actually stop us from making the playoffs.

Infidel Goat 01-22-2014 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 10386853)
With posting fee it is 7 years 175

More like 7 years/$240 M

Rany Jazayerli ‏@jazayerli 23m
That's $175M for Tanaka, and, what, $50-100M for not resetting the luxury tax? That means his true cost is $225-275M for 7 years.

Dan Lewis ‏@DanDotLewis 21m
@jazayerli Luxury tax resent isn't $100m. When I did the math earlier, it was about $65m, tops.

Rany Jazayerli ‏@jazayerli 19m
That makes it 7/$240. $34.3M per year.

alnorth 01-22-2014 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Infidel Goat (Post 10386903)
More like 7 years/$240 M

Rany Jazayerli ‏@jazayerli 23m
That's $175M for Tanaka, and, what, $50-100M for not resetting the luxury tax? That means his true cost is $225-275M for 7 years.

Dan Lewis ‏@DanDotLewis 21m
@jazayerli Luxury tax resent isn't $100m. When I did the math earlier, it was about $65m, tops.

Rany Jazayerli ‏@jazayerli 19m
That makes it 7/$240. $34.3M per year.

And they'll get swamped with A-Rod money next year. Their farm is so bad and they have so many holes, they'll be forced to keep overspending every year in a futile effort to compete.

duncan_idaho 01-22-2014 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10386894)
Fantastic. I actually wanted Tanaka to go to the Yankees all along, if not them, then the Dodgers I guess to keep him out of the AL. His best seasons are going to be wasted up there, and it obviously destroys their chance at staying under 189 unless they shed payroll elsewhere.

The Yankees are not a good team on paper at all, and their short-term future looks pretty bleak even with their ability to spend in free agency every year.

Since we aren't really competing for the same players, I see New York as a big fat talent sink, helping us out by absorbing free agent talent away from teams that might actually stop us from making the playoffs.

Good points.

The Yankees lineup is still old and thin. When Ellsbury gets hurt and misses a big part of the season, they'll run into trouble.

SPchief 01-22-2014 09:42 AM

My favorite:

#Yankees have spent half a BILLION dollars this winter & still have Kelly Johnson likely stating at 3B & Brian Roberts at 2B

duncan_idaho 01-22-2014 10:07 AM

Likely Yankees lineup (guys likely to miss 20 games or more in bold):

Ellsbury
Jeter
Beltran
McCann (technicality - catcher)
Soriano
Teixeira
Kelly Johnson
Brendan Ryan/Brian Roberts
Brett Gardner

Sabathia
Tanaka
Kuroda
Nova
Phelps/Pineda

with Robertson as the closer.

Not sure that's a playoff team. What I am sure is that it is an old, expensive team. With almost no depth to cover for the multitudes of injuries that are coming.

If Ellsbury has another big injury and misses another big chunk of the season... they could be in serious trouble.

tyton75 01-22-2014 10:09 AM

I would think Jeter would be likely to miss at least 20 games as well.. right?

duncan_idaho 01-22-2014 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by tyton75 (Post 10386964)
I would think Jeter would be likely to miss at least 20 games as well.. right?

There's a good shot, though it's not a slam dunk lock like it is with the other guys, IMO.

He's only missed that many games 3 times in 19 years, though two of those are in the past 3 years.

alnorth 01-22-2014 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tyton75 (Post 10386964)
I would think Jeter would be likely to miss at least 20 games as well.. right?

His glove is so bad and his bat is not as impressive anymore, that I'm not really interested in whether he misses time. He'll be 40 years old and in 70+ AB last season he didn't break .600 OPS. If he did get hurt, his replacement might not be much of a downgrade.

edit: holy smokes, I just looked him up last season. He only played 17 games, but he was so incredibly terrible in those 17 games, that he managed to rack up a -0.7 WAR. That is not bad, its horrific. He probably won't be a -7 WAR player over a full season, but he's just about done.

duncan_idaho 01-22-2014 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10387008)
His glove is so bad and his bat is not as impressive anymore, that I'm not really interested in whether he misses time. He'll be 40 years old and in 70+ AB last season he didn't break .600 OPS. If he did get hurt, his replacement might not be much of a downgrade.

edit: holy smokes, I just looked him up last season. He only played 17 games, but he was so incredibly terrible in those 17 games, that he managed to rack up a -0.7 WAR. That is not bad, its horrific. He probably won't be a -7 WAR player over a full season, but he's just about done.

Jeff Francoeur thinks that doesn't sound so bad...

But seriously, their backup is Brendan Ryan. Not hard to see a situation where Beltran/Teixeira/Jeter are sitting with injuries and the Yankees have multiple black holes in their lineup.


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