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LiL stumppy 07-08-2015 04:43 PM

bye

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-08-2015 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11586799)
My best educated guess is they will draft a QB in the first 2 rounds of the 2016 draft.

Reid traded McNabb after the season he was 33yrs old. Alex is 31 now so I'd guess he would want to get a replacement in line to groom in the next year.

We can hope in one hand and shit in the other, per standard operating prochiefsure...

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11587050)
As they should...but with him only under contract through 2017, it would be smart to draft real competition that can compete for the starters role in 2017.

If Murray wins the job, great.

Thing is, they're not "polishing" anything. They've got the best prospects on the squad fetching donuts behind Chase "reliable turd" Daniel.

Eleazar 07-08-2015 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 11586839)
Holy shit. LMAO

It doesn't have to be a black & white 100% refusal, but they are really good at setting themselves up for failure... when they're really bad, they focus on getting a retread in as quickly as possible to get back to mediocrity, and when they're mediocre, they're focused on at least staying mediocre.

It's only been a trend for 4 freakin' decades...

None of these people were involved in what happened in the 80s. That history has zero to do with Reid and Dorsey.

You guys really think Clark Hunt tells them he never wants a hotshot young QB because he wants to go 8-8 every year, because that's what he thinks makes him the most money?

I really would like to know if there are actual humans who believe this.

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-08-2015 05:09 PM

And don't try to tell me that Chase "reliable turd" Daniel is the only QB behind Alex on the roster that is "smart" enough to learn and execute Reid's jank-assed, short-bomb playbook.

Nope. Ain't buyin'.

Discuss Thrower 07-08-2015 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11587718)
None of these people were involved in what happened in the 80s. That history has zero to do with Reid and Dorsey.

You guys really think Clark Hunt tells them he never wants a hotshot young QB because he wants to go 8-8 every year, because that's what he thinks makes him the most money?

I really would like to know if there are actual humans who believe this.

Trying to draft a develop a QB takes time and opens you up for seasons which are well below .500. Teams that are consistently below 8-8 don't make money because no one wants to go to their games. It's too risky.

Similarly, if you do get a QB to pan out and he becomes all-pro level, it becomes incredibly expensive to retain said QB. It's too risky to have that much money tied up in just one player.

The Chiefs' two Super Bowl appearances came with a QB whom was acquired from another team. The last playoff victory came with a QB whom was acquired from another team. Drafting a developing an actual QBotF is not a priority to the ownership and is therefore not a priority with the rest of the front office.

Eleazar 07-08-2015 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams (Post 11587723)
And don't try to tell me that Chase "reliable turd" Daniel is the only QB behind Alex on the roster that is "smart" enough to learn and execute Reid's jank-assed, short-bomb playbook.

Nope. Ain't buyin'.

Common sense tells us that there are probably no legitimate prospects to ever be NFL starters on the roster

Eleazar 07-08-2015 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11587729)
Trying to draft a develop a QB takes time and opens you up for seasons which are well below .500. Teams that are consistently below 8-8 don't make money because no one wants to go to their games. It's too risky.

Similarly, if you do get a QB to pan out and he becomes all-pro level, it becomes incredibly expensive to retain said QB. It's too risky to have that much money tied up in just one player.

The Chiefs' two Super Bowl appearances came with a QB whom was acquired from another team. The last playoff victory came with a QB whom was acquired from another team. Drafting a developing an actual QBotF is not a priority to the ownership and is therefore not a priority with the rest of the front office.

LMAO

Really, do you think the Chiefs have ever lost money? That the team's profitability hangs on the gate receipts each week? The NFL's TV deals are collectively worth something like $40 billion

Discuss Thrower 07-08-2015 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11587738)
LMAO

Really, do you think the Chiefs have ever lost money? That the team's profitability hangs on the gate receipts each week? The NFL's TV deals are collectively worth something like $40 billion

It's the simplest explanation why a franchise routinely avoids making a move to draft a QB in the first round.

It's too risky and too expensive.

Brock 07-08-2015 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11587739)
It's the simplest explanation why a franchise routinely avoids making a move to draft a QB in the first round.

It's too risky and too expensive.

The simplest explanation is that they had no confidence in their ability to select and develop one. The money is neither here nor there when you look at how they paid Jackson, Dorsey, or any of the other non qbs they drafted high.

Eleazar 07-08-2015 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11587739)
It's the simplest explanation why a franchise routinely avoids making a move to draft a QB in the first round.

It's too risky and too expensive.

Right. Clark doesn't want any part of all that revenue that winning the Super Bowl would bring in. He doesn't want a QB he'd have to pay 20 mill instead of 15 mill a year. He doesn't want to be able to raise ticket prices on the level they would after a super bowl. He doesn't want to sell all the new season tickets that would result or get any of the money it would bring in from sponsorships or premium seating and luxury suites or anything else. He doesn't want any of the associated revenue or merchandising or publicity for his team at all. He just sits in his owners box with binoculars counting butts on game day. He wants the vastly higher revenue stream that a middling team provides.

Is that about it?

ShortRoundChief 07-08-2015 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11587739)
It's the simplest explanation why a franchise routinely avoids making a move to draft a QB in the first round.

It's too risky and too expensive.

Do you not realize that the salary cap is slotted now. No longer the gazillion $$$ contracts?

Your argument would have held water 5 years ago but not now.

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-08-2015 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11587733)
Common sense tells us that there are probably no legitimate prospects to ever be NFL starters on the roster

There's a solution to that, you know.

And it starts above round 3.

Eleazar 07-08-2015 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams (Post 11587762)
There's a solution to that, you know.

And it starts above round 3.

And I have no doubt that if they are in need of a starting QB and there's someone worth taking at their draft position they have that year, they would do it.

Bearcat 07-08-2015 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11587718)
None of these people were involved in what happened in the 80s. That history has zero to do with Reid and Dorsey.

You guys really think Clark Hunt tells them he never wants a hotshot young QB because he wants to go 8-8 every year, because that's what he thinks makes him the most money?

I really would like to know if there are actual humans who believe this.

Since the post you quoted says I don't think that, I'm pretty sure I don't think that... and I'm sure no one else does, either.

History also didn't have anything to do with Pioli or Carl/Herm or Carl/Vermiel, Carl/Marty, or most of the 80s... and here we are.

Just a really, really long string of bad luck, wrong place/time, etc, huh?

Bearcat 07-08-2015 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 11587761)
Do you not realize that the salary cap is slotted now. No longer the gazillion $$$ contracts?

Your argument would have held water 5 years ago but not now.

Well, the Chiefs seem to operate under the assumption that it's 1990, so you're saying they should change their logic in another 20 years or so?


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