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O.city 10-23-2015 01:54 PM

Sadly, harper is likely a Yankee to be so you're right there.

Puig is interesting and someone I haven't thought of, but that's the move kind they need to make. They're gonna have to get lucky, be risky or hope to get better offensively

Prison Bitch 10-23-2015 02:12 PM

Get away from Puig. He's a Royal next year. The perfect fit. Shoo!

O.city 10-23-2015 02:13 PM

Is Puig a free agent?

DJ's left nut 10-23-2015 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11827592)
Like I said, I'd give any 3 players they ask for for harper, maybe 4.

Puig is interesting, what are your thoughts on what to do with other situations there? Re up heyward in that or no?

Puig and Heyward are remarkably complementary players - I'd do a whole lot to try to keep them both.

With Puig, you put Heyward in CF and the two of them combined cover a ton of ground. Heyward's fairly sound offensive approach would supplement Puig's aggressive run-production mentality quite nicely.

If you could put together a long-term OF of Grichuk - Heyward - Puig with Piscotty picking up 1b (and Grichuk as a bench power source until Holliday goes) you'd have a very good long-term offensive foundation and some of the best OF defense in baseball.

Would I give up Reyes for that? Not for Puig straight up but if they want to include Austin Barnes and a low minors prospect I'd consider it.

But then it gets back to where I started - I'm almost certainly overvaluing Reyes, though your premise was 'if he turns into who we think he is' and at that point, his value is pretty damn sky high.

DJ's left nut 10-23-2015 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11827645)
Is Puig a free agent?

Yeah.

In 2020.

Prison Bitch, as ever, is an idiot.

O.city 10-23-2015 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11827653)
Puig and Heyward are remarkably complementary players - I'd do a whole lot to try to keep them both.

With Puig, you put Heyward in CF and the two of them combined cover a ton of ground. Heyward's fairly sound offensive approach would supplement Puig's aggressive run-production mentality quite nicely.

If you could put together a long-term OF of Grichuk - Heyward - Puig with Piscotty picking up 1b (and Grichuk as a bench power source until Holliday goes) you'd have a very good long-term offensive foundation and some of the best OF defense in baseball.

Would I give up Reyes for that? Not for Puig straight up but if they want to include Austin Barnes and a low minors prospect I'd consider it.

But then it gets back to where I started - I'm almost certainly overvaluing Reyes, though your premise was 'if he turns into who we think he is' and at that point, his value is pretty damn sky high.

I like grichuk in center better. I'm just not a fan of heyward there. But, I'm guessing if you're paying him, that's where you want him.

And I don't think it would take reyes for puig, but maybe. I don't think your over valuing reyes. Just dunno that he gets to his ceiling.

BigRedChief 10-23-2015 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11827653)
But then it gets back to where I started - I'm almost certainly overvaluing Reyes, though your premise was 'if he turns into who we think he is' and at that point, his value is pretty damn sky high.

He's tearing it up in the AFL. He is coming next year sometime. That value is worth more than when he was tearing up rookie ball.

DJ's left nut 10-23-2015 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11827741)
He's tearing it up in the AFL. He is coming next year sometime. That value is worth more than when he was tearing up rookie ball.

He's giving up more baserunners than I'd expect; did the same in AA. It looks like his command/efficiency needs more refinement but that's obviously to be expected of a 19 yr old.

So let's take off my fan hat for a moment. Reyes is probably a prospect on par with Julio Urias; maybe a little more highly regarded, maybe a little worse. Their respective trade values are roughly identical.

Wouldn't you be stunned if the Orioles traded Machado to the Dodgers for Urias? I sure as hell would. Arenado?

If I step back and try to observe it objectively, I have to believe I'm overvaluing Reyes because if I insert a reasonable proxy for him and start pondering trades, they don't make a hell of a lot of sense to me.

Prison Bitch 10-23-2015 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11827654)
Yeah.

In 2020.

Prison Bitch, as ever, is an idiot.

I never said we'd sign him as a FA. Idiot.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-24-2015 09:26 AM

You can have Heyward bitch

BigRedChief 10-27-2015 02:22 PM

It happened on today's date. The date is 10/27/2011. Best World Series baseball game ever played.

Come from behind 3 times. Down to the last strike in the 9th and 11th innings. Still unbelievable that we won that game and series.

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DJ's left nut 10-27-2015 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11839463)
It happened on today's date. The date is 10/27/2011. Best World Series baseball game ever played.

Come from behind 3 times. Down to the last strike in the 9th and 11th innings. Still unbelievable that we won that game and series.

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Game 7 of the 1960 World Series is the best game ever played.

But yeah, Game 6 has a pretty strong claim on #2.

BigRedChief 11-04-2015 10:09 PM

<s>@</s>BNightengale also said on the BBTN podcast that he believes St. Louis would be David Price's first choice.

So why would they do this unless they are planning on trading pitching for offense?

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-04-2015 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11864679)
<s>@</s>BNightengale also said on the BBTN podcast that he believes St. Louis would be David Price's first choice.

So why would they do this unless they are planning on trading pitching for offense?

This team doesn't have an ace. Maybe Martinez becomes that guy, but he's not there yet, and Reyes is still in AA. Wacha might only be a #3 starter, and Wainwright is going to be 35 next year.

A front line starter, especially a lefty, would go a long way towards helping the Cardinals match up better against teams in the playoffs. Having good #4 and #5 starters is an awesome way to rack up wins in the regular season, but it's not really all that helpful in the postseason.

Signing Price also doesn't cost the Cardinals a pick b/c he can't get a QO from Toronto.

Wacha hasn't shown much interest in having his arb years + a FA year or two bought out, Garcia is only a solution for one more year, and Lynn is going to hit FA soon, too.

You get better wherever you can get better. Price makes the Cardinals better and he fills a definite need.

If they sign Price, they can let Lackey walk, slap a QO on Garcia next year if he actually stays moderately healthy and then put another one on Lynn after 2017.

That's a great long-term way to replenish the farm system while also maintaining the strength of the team--starting pitching.

BigRedChief 11-04-2015 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11864698)
This team doesn't have an ace. Maybe Martinez becomes that guy, but he's not there yet, and Reyes is still in AA. Wacha might only be a #3 starter, and Wainwright is going to be 35 next year.

A front line starter, especially a lefty, would go a long way towards helping the Cardinals match up better against teams in the playoffs. Having good #4 and #5 starters is an awesome way to rack up wins in the regular season, but it's not really all that helpful in the postseason.

Signing Price also doesn't cost the Cardinals a pick b/c he can't get a QO from Toronto.

Wacha hasn't shown much interest in having his arb years + a FA year or two bought out, Garcia is only a solution for one more year, and Lynn is going to hit FA soon, too.

You get better wherever you can get better. Price makes the Cardinals better and he fills a definite need.

If they sign Price, they can let Lackey walk, slap a QO on Garcia next year if he actually stays moderately healthy and then put another one on Lynn after 2017.

That's a great long-term way to replenish the farm system while also maintaining the strength of the team--starting pitching.

I'm okay with Price. It makes sense for the reasons you listed. We can afford both Price and Hayward without killing us on payroll in the future.


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